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post #1321 of 1922
Apparently so.

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post #1322 of 1922
20130328 is not beta. When you run the latest version of SD software, it automatically updates the firmware of the HDHR.
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Originally Posted by Pacmania View Post

Hi guys,

I received my second hd homerun prime tuner new, And when I checked the stock installed firmware its already the current beta firmware which is the 20130328. I was wondering if this is normal because when I receive the previous tuner it doesn't have its current firmware installed. Is it possible that the new batch of HD homerun prime tuners are sent with its current firmware?
post #1323 of 1922
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Originally Posted by signcarver View Post

Though I personally think each users results will vary, I have heard that moto TA's actually drop the signal level by 5-6db, which is worse than a splitter at -3.5, while cisco/SA TA's will compensate for the loss I have found mine doesn't do a great job for channels above 800Mhz and have better luck with a quality splitter. Looking over how your setup of the split to the modem prior to the 16 way split, you may wish to consider plugging in rf for the ta to a split off the line going to the modem as the return path is critical... but if your modem signal is a little low and if you get good results from off the main splitter it might not be a good idea.

I'm trying to follow this, but I'm confused.

First, how are you guys mapping which tuners are to tune to specific channels in WMC? I don't see anywhere to do that. I know you can ignore tuners in WMC, but not for specific channels.

Second, using a TA and splitting the signal. In my case, I have a HTPC in a garage/room. I'm using a MOCA adaptor to provide an Ethernet connection, so my cable is connected to that first, then the TA, then the Prime. But I'm having signal strength/quality problems. I'm planning on replacing the cable to that room, but I'm not so sure that will eliminate my issues.

Should I have the cable connected to the TA first, then the MOCA? Will the MOCA even work if I connect it after the TA? I thought the MOCA was just pass-through as far as the video signal.

Sent from my Nexus 7
post #1324 of 1922
You can always tell WMC manually which tuners to use for which channels and give it a priority by editting the channel but I personally never do that as all of mine have all subscribed channels.

I have had trouble running a TA on the output of a moca adapter in the past and you will probably definitely have problems if run off the output of the TA so I usually split before hand then put a moca filter on the signal going to the TA and/or (and sometimes the same if daisy chained) on the tuner itself (at one time I had heard the prime has a built in moca filter but am not 100% sure on this and problems with moca are generally limited to pcie versions of the ceton... I never had a problem with the usb ceton and I assume its a reflection in the dongle for the pcie version).
post #1325 of 1922
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Originally Posted by signcarver View Post

You can always tell WMC manually which tuners to use for which channels and give it a priority by editting the channel but I personally never do that as all of mine have all subscribed channels.

I have had trouble running a TA on the output of a moca adapter in the past and you will probably definitely have problems if run off the output of the TA so I usually split before hand then put a moca filter on the signal going to the TA and/or (and sometimes the same if daisy chained) on the tuner itself (at one time I had heard the prime has a built in moca filter but am not 100% sure on this and problems with moca are generally limited to pcie versions of the ceton... I never had a problem with the usb ceton and I assume its a reflection in the dongle for the pcie version).

I'm sorry, I guess I'm slow.

Are you saying I'll have problems no matter which way I connect the TA and MOCA? Before the TA and I'll have probs with the TA, after the TA and I'll have problems with the MOCA?

But then you seem to say to put the MOCA before the TA. And are you implying the tuner does not need to be fed directly from the TA? IOW, can I put in a splitter with one lead going to the TA, another going to the tuner, and a third going to the MOCA? Confused.

Sent from my Nexus 7
post #1326 of 1922
Also, I suppose if I google "windows media center assign tuner to channel" I might find step by step instructions for that. It's not apparent in WMC, at least not to me.

You guys aren't using a third party software for this?

Sent from my Nexus 7
post #1327 of 1922
This may be a dumb question but i've looked all over google and come up with nothing.

I want to get a hd homerun prime (im waiting till the new 4 tuner model is released). I was just wondering: is it possible to watch 4 streams on 1 screen?

My idea is to be able to use this feature to watch 4 college football games in the fall, on 1 tv screen. I will be hooking up an HTPC to the tv so that part I have covered (given that windows media center and other clients are only capable of showing 1 stream at one time).

Does silicondust or anyone else provide any software to help with this?
post #1328 of 1922
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Originally Posted by Ou8thisSN View Post

This may be a dumb question but i've looked all over google and come up with nothing.

I want to get a hd homerun prime (im waiting till the new 4 tuner model is released). I was just wondering: is it possible to watch 4 streams on 1 screen?

My idea is to be able to use this feature to watch 4 college football games in the fall, on 1 tv screen. I will be hooking up an HTPC to the tv so that part I have covered (given that windows media center and other clients are only capable of showing 1 stream at one time).

Does silicondust or anyone else provide any software to help with this?

Nothing that I know of exists, but to respond with a question . . . If it were possible, could you actually listen to them successfully?

No longer being very well versed with pay tv options, does any provider offer this in their box? I know PiP has come and gone, but I think I remember seeing a commercial for DirecTV offering this. That may be the only way to go as I don't believe such an offering is on any roadmap
post #1329 of 1922
I wasnt even worried about the sound so much as just the video streams. I figured I could use the radio to pick 1 game or something. Directv has a 8 game screen thing with sunday ticket, but I was hoping for my own solution. My plasma display has the ability to do picture and picture, so at worst, I suppose I could hook up two xbox 360s or something and get 2 streams up that way, but my friend said that silicondust includes some rudimentary program do just this sort of thing.
post #1330 of 1922
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Originally Posted by Ou8thisSN View Post

I wasnt even worried about the sound so much as just the video streams. I figured I could use the radio to pick 1 game or something. Directv has a 8 game screen thing with sunday ticket, but I was hoping for my own solution. My plasma display has the ability to do picture and picture, so at worst, I suppose I could hook up two xbox 360s or something and get 2 streams up that way, but my friend said that silicondust includes some rudimentary program do just this sort of thing.

And your friend would be kind of right. Never new this before, but you can open multiple instances of quick TV (the silicondust bundled lightweight app to view you programming). I still don't know exactly how it handles audio, but apparently with the method shown in this link you can run as many channels as you have tuners
post #1331 of 1922
Recently moved my HDHR upstairs and Charter dig tuner to my main HTPC. Setup went fine except I couldn't tune it any premium channels, Thought it was a Charter cableco issue so I called them. After wasting about 30 minutes with a rep, I finally decided on my own to check if it might be a signal strength issue. Disconnected splitter and fed directly from wall, and premiums came back. Put a Radio Shack Digital amp and reconnected everything and I was good to go. Just thought it was weird that I received all my other channels fine but premiums did not come in with the lower signal strength.
post #1332 of 1922
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

And your friend would be kind of right. Never new this before, but you can open multiple instances of quick TV (the silicondust bundled lightweight app to view you programming). I still don't know exactly how it handles audio, but apparently with the method shown in this link you can run as many channels as you have tuners
I've run WMC in windowed mode and then open another, or same, channel from the other tuner using VLC as the preview app for comparison/testing purposes. Video and audio plays, mute the one you don't want to actually hear. This method limits you to 2 channels.
post #1333 of 1922
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Originally Posted by Ou8thisSN View Post

This may be a dumb question but i've looked all over google and come up with nothing.

I want to get a hd homerun prime (im waiting till the new 4 tuner model is released). I was just wondering: is it possible to watch 4 streams on 1 screen?

My idea is to be able to use this feature to watch 4 college football games in the fall, on 1 tv screen. I will be hooking up an HTPC to the tv so that part I have covered (given that windows media center and other clients are only capable of showing 1 stream at one time).

Does silicondust or anyone else provide any software to help with this?

Try SiMP



http://sinderon.com

Regards,
t-c
post #1334 of 1922
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Originally Posted by t-c View Post

Try SiMP

Regards,
t-c

Wow, that is EXACTLY what I wanted.. thank you so much.
post #1335 of 1922
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Originally Posted by t-c View Post

Try SiMP

http://sinderon.com

Regards,
t-c

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Now we know!

Someone else asked the exact same question about 4 months ago
post #1336 of 1922
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Originally Posted by signcarver View Post

You can always tell WMC manually which tuners to use for which channels and give it a priority by editting the channel but I personally never do that as all of mine have all subscribed channels.

I have had trouble running a TA on the output of a moca adapter in the past and you will probably definitely have problems if run off the output of the TA so I usually split before hand then put a moca filter on the signal going to the TA and/or (and sometimes the same if daisy chained) on the tuner itself (at one time I had heard the prime has a built in moca filter but am not 100% sure on this and problems with moca are generally limited to pcie versions of the ceton... I never had a problem with the usb ceton and I assume its a reflection in the dongle for the pcie version).

I'm sorry, I guess I'm slow.

Are you saying I'll have problems no matter which way I connect the TA and MOCA? Before the TA and I'll have probs with the TA, after the TA and I'll have problems with the MOCA?

But then you seem to say to put the MOCA before the TA. And are you implying the tuner does not need to be fed directly from the TA? IOW, can I put in a splitter with one lead going to the TA, another going to the tuner, and a third going to the MOCA? Confused.

Sent from my Nexus 7

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Originally Posted by leebo View Post

Also, I suppose if I google "windows media center assign tuner to channel" I might find step by step instructions for that. It's not apparent in WMC, at least not to me.

You guys aren't using a third party software for this?
Sent from my Nexus 7

I believe I said you want to split before... You will have "no" problems if split (other than potential signal issue)... I suggest either a 3way with best output (-3.5) to prime, and the two lesser (-7 each) to moca and TA, or a two way with one going to TA and the other to Moca with its output to prime (this output is often filtered without passing the moca signals)... or as I said before if using a two way, and you daisy chain the prime off the TA and put a moca filter in place prior to the input on the TA (some people like blaming moca signals for everything and suggest filters on all device that don't use it). What you sometimes have trouble with is the TA not being able to talk back through the moca interface and/or the moca interface not being able to communicate through the TA... you do not want these two devices daisy chained together. Since the prime is one directional, it does not matter if this is after a device (either the moca adapter or TA) but usually the prime is the device on which you want the best possible signal and going through a device may degrade it. Going through a 3 way may degrade the signal to/from the TA and/or moca adapter too much where one may not work properly (depends on other wiring) in which case I would try one of the other methods using a two way splitter and see if it improves. My most recent moca install, I actually went to the adjacent bedroom to house the moca adapter and 2nd floor "switch" (as that room also needed ethernet for the daughter's computer so the switch provided for both upstairs bedrooms and office) and used its direct coax back to the main distribution (4 way splitter, one to each bedroom and one to main living area) to get the ethernet to the first floor where the router was and connected 2nd floor prime and computers to that switch... prime had its own cable off the 4 way. When that location added SDV, I split it in that room for TA and prime with no problems as good signal to 4way.

As to your other question, from what I understood what you were trying to do, Guide, right click on channel number, Edit Channel, Edit Sources. Another way to do it, Tasks, Settings, TV, Guide, Edit Channels, Select the Channel, and Edit Sources. You can move tuner priority up and down as well as disable the channel on certain tuners. I have also occasionally split the channels to have two copies and then record one show on one and the next on the other as WMC has a problem with consecutive shows on same channel where it doesn't always get the "buffer" before and after properly when there are other available tuners.
Edited by signcarver - 4/8/13 at 4:24pm
post #1337 of 1922
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Originally Posted by t-c View Post

Try SiMP
http://sinderon.com

Regards,
t-c

are you working on a way to integrate this as some sort of plug in or something so it can work inside the media center environment? I'm asking because I'll have a HTPC hooked up to my TV, and only have a remote to control it. I'd rather not have to break out a keyboard and mouse everytime I want to enable a 4 screen stream. I was just wondering if this is a functionality that is potentially possible?
post #1338 of 1922
Not possible.

Microsoft would have to redo the guts of media center to enable this kind of capability.
post #1339 of 1922
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Originally Posted by donaldkbart23 View Post

Is there any source for recommended settings for an i3 3225 using integrated HD 4000 graphics? It looks pretty pixelated playing through wmc in my Samsung un55d8000.
Set WMC up as a Television. That eliminates re-scaling. Flat Screen and Projector force overscan, which means rescaling the video stream.
post #1340 of 1922
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Originally Posted by t-c View Post

Not possible.

Microsoft would have to redo the guts of media center to enable this kind of capability.

but plug-ins for Plex and XBMC exist for and other 3rd party software exist for the media center environment, wherein they they have a shortcut to launch that app from inside the media center menu. Cant you use that workaround to build it in?
post #1341 of 1922
Ok so you're not asking whether SiMP 4-way playback can be implemented natively in Media Center, rather your question is whether a media center shortcut launcher could be made for SiMP.

I'm sure it could but I don't know how to do that. I think it requires MCML programming expertise.
post #1342 of 1922
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Originally Posted by signcarver View Post

You can always tell WMC manually which tuners to use for which channels and give it a priority by editting the channel but I personally never do that as all of mine have all subscribed channels.

I have had trouble running a TA on the output of a moca adapter in the past and you will probably definitely have problems if run off the output of the TA so I usually split before hand then put a moca filter on the signal going to the TA and/or (and sometimes the same if daisy chained) on the tuner itself (at one time I had heard the prime has a built in moca filter but am not 100% sure on this and problems with moca are generally limited to pcie versions of the ceton... I never had a problem with the usb ceton and I assume its a reflection in the dongle for the pcie version).

I'm sorry, I guess I'm slow.

Are you saying I'll have problems no matter which way I connect the TA and MOCA? Before the TA and I'll have probs with the TA, after the TA and I'll have problems with the MOCA?

But then you seem to say to put the MOCA before the TA. And are you implying the tuner does not need to be fed directly from the TA? IOW, can I put in a splitter with one lead going to the TA, another going to the tuner, and a third going to the MOCA? Confused.

Sent from my Nexus 7


I believe I said you want to split before... You will have "no" problems if split (other than potential signal issue)... I suggest either a 3way with best output (-3.5) to prime, and the two lesser (-7 each) to moca and TA, or a two way with one going to TA and the other to Moca with its output to prime (this output is often filtered without passing the moca signals)... or as I said before if using a two way, and you daisy chain the prime off the TA and put a moca filter in place prior to the input on the TA (some people like blaming moca signals for everything and suggest filters on all device that don't use it). What you sometimes have trouble with is the TA not being able to talk back through the moca interface and/or the moca interface not being able to communicate through the TA... you do not want these two devices daisy chained together. Since the prime is one directional, it does not matter if this is after a device (either the moca adapter or TA) but usually the prime is the device on which you want the best possible signal and going through a device may degrade it. Going through a 3 way may degrade the signal to/from the TA and/or moca adapter too much where one may not work properly (depends on other wiring) in which case I would try one of the other methods using a two way splitter and see if it improves. My most recent moca install, I actually went to the adjacent bedroom to house the moca adapter and 2nd floor "switch" (as that room also needed ethernet for the daughter's computer so the switch provided for both upstairs bedrooms and office) and used its direct coax back to the main distribution (4 way splitter, one to each bedroom and one to main living area) to get the ethernet to the first floor where the router was and connected 2nd floor prime and computers to that switch... prime had its own cable off the 4 way. When that location added SDV, I split it in that room for TA and prime with no problems as good signal to 4way.

As to your other question, from what I understood what you were trying to do, Guide, right click on channel number, Edit Channel, Edit Sources. Another way to do it, Tasks, Settings, TV, Guide, Edit Channels, Select the Channel, and Edit Sources. You can move tuner priority up and down as well as disable the channel on certain tuners. I have also occasionally split the channels to have two copies and then record one show on one and the next on the other as WMC has a problem with consecutive shows on same channel where it doesn't always get the "buffer" before and after properly when there are other available tuners.

Wow, ok. I think I get most of the first part. I might need a diagram though, I get a bit lost in some of your examples. But you're saying the Prime does NOT need to be connected directly to the TA's output? How the heck does the TA effect what the Prime is able to tune in then??? I may try a two way splitter with one output going directly to the Prime, and the other going to either the TA or the MOCA. My issue seems to be a weak signal in that room.

I was able to get to the edit sources menu. However, on one channel I tried "split" in an attempt to see what it does. It removed a tuner from the channel and duplicated the channel in the guide, which I did not want. I could not figure out how to undo this, so I deleted the duped channel hoping the tuner would re-appear, but it did not. Does anyone know how to get that tuner to show up again for that channel?

Thanks.

Sent from my Nexus 7
post #1343 of 1922
"What you sometimes have trouble with is the TA not being able to talk back through the moca interface and/or the moca interface not being able to communicate through the TA... you do not want these two devices daisy chained together. Since the prime is one directional, it does not matter if this is after a device (either the moca adapter or TA) "

I just realized you recommend AGAINST connecting the MOCA and the TA. So maybe a three way splitter.
All I can do is try it and see.

Sent from my Nexus 7
post #1344 of 1922
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Originally Posted by leebo View Post

Wow, ok. I think I get most of the first part. I might need a diagram though, I get a bit lost in some of your examples. But you're saying the Prime does NOT need to be connected directly to the TA's output? How the heck does the TA effect what the Prime is able to tune in then???

No the prime does not (necessarily) get connected to the TA through coax (it does need a coax input to get the rf input for the channels, believe it or not some forget this). The prime does all its communication with the TA through the usb port. If its a moto TA I highly recommend against connecting the rf input of the prime to the rf output of the TA as the signal will be degraded worse than a splitter (-6 vs -3.5) if you have a cisco ta, in theory the ta compensates for the loss but I have seen many that appear to cut off just above 800Mhz thus making the 900Mhz channels highly pixilated or totally untunable.
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Originally Posted by leebo View Post

"What you sometimes have trouble with is the TA not being able to talk back through the moca interface and/or the moca interface not being able to communicate through the TA... you do not want these two devices daisy chained together. Since the prime is one directional, it does not matter if this is after a device (either the moca adapter or TA) "

I just realized you recommend AGAINST connecting the MOCA and the TA. So maybe a three way splitter.
All I can do is try it and see.
Correct, below I tried a crude example of ascii art to illustrate or you may wish to check out http://media.cox.com/support/print_media/tv/equipment/user_guides/cable_box/InstallingYourCiscoTA.pdf

for a prime it is very similar, as the usb cable goes from ta to prime since the prime is a standalone device, for a hauppauge or ceton the usb cable connects from the TA to the computer since the computer is the device

Generally you want the best possible signal going directly to the prime
Code:
      /-------------- prime (-3.5 leg)
cable< ---------- TA                         Option 1)  use a 3way splitter
      \-- Moca
-------------------------------------------------------------------
      /--   Moca -- prime
cable<                                       Option 2)  use a 2 way (daisy chain prime off moca)
      \--TA
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
      /---Moca
cable<                                      Option 3) use a 2 way (daisy chain prime off TA
      \----- TA ----- Prime

*many  cable companies now request a POE (point of entry) MoCA filter prior to TA
also keep in mind there is a usb cable between the TA and prime and an ethernet cable off the moca adapter
that goes to your network in that room (switch,router, or directly to a device)
 and the prime is also connected to the same network via ethernet 


Edited by signcarver - 4/9/13 at 11:29am
post #1345 of 1922
Does SiMP work with copy protected content? Almost everything I watch on Charter is copy protected these days.
post #1346 of 1922
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Originally Posted by signcarver View Post

[The prime does all its communication with the TA through the usb port. If its a moto TA I highly recommend against connecting the rf input of the prime to the rf output of the TA as the signal will be degraded worse than a splitter (-6 vs -3.5) if you have a cisco ta, in theory the ta compensates for the loss but I have seen many that appear to cut off just above 800Mhz thus making the 900Mhz channels highly pixilated or totally untunable.



Generally you want the best possible signal going directly to the prime
Code:
      /-------------- prime (-3.5 leg)
cable< ---------- TA                         Option 1)  use a 3way splitter
      \-- Moca
-------------------------------------------------------------------
      /--   Moca -- prime
cable<                                       Option 2)  use a 2 way (daisy chain prime off moca)
      \--TA
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
      /---Moca
cable<                                      Option 3) use a 2 way (daisy chain prime off TA
      \----- TA ----- Prime

*many  cable companies now request a POE (point of entry) MoCA filter prior to TA
also keep in mind there is a usb cable between the TA and prime and an ethernet cable off the moca adapter
that goes to your network in that room (switch,router, or directly to a device)
 and the prime is also connected to the same network via ethernet 


I completely forgot about the USB connection! Wow. Well, thanks for taking so much time to explain this!
I'm gonna try this in the next day or two.

Sent from my Nexus 7
post #1347 of 1922
Yes the prime tells the ta what channel it wants to tune through the usb cable and if its an SDV channel then the ta sends a signal through the coax to the cable headend requesting that channel/ frequency to be sent to it (which hopefully it does). Then the prime is able to tune that channel/frequency since its now there on your cable line.
post #1348 of 1922
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Does SiMP work with copy protected content? Almost everything I watch on Charter is copy protected these days.

Does anybody know?
post #1349 of 1922
Is there any reason other than DLNA to install the 20130328 f/w and services app? My Prime is running great right now (read: error free) and am not seeing a reason to upgrade as I don't have any DLNA devices to connect with and so long as there is no EPG or DVR I don't see the point at this time.
post #1350 of 1922
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

Is there any reason other than DLNA to install the 20130328 f/w and services app? My Prime is running great right now (read: error free) and am not seeing a reason to upgrade as I don't have any DLNA devices to connect with and so long as there is no EPG or DVR I don't see the point at this time.

If you are not having problems, I would stay put if you don't want to play with DLNA. You have nothing to gain and lots to lose with the Prime's inability to downgrade firmware. 

 

That said, I am NOT having issues with the latest release, but I only updated to this release because I was having issues with the previous release.  With the previous release I was having sporadic issues with WMC not finding available tuners and/or getting no signal messages when attempting to watch live TV requiring a Prime tuner (although WMC would always find the OTA and QAM tuners, and background recordings from any tuner never missed a beat, even when WMC was actively displaying tuner errors).

 

I had not experienced any of those tuner issues prior to the January release. With the January release, I had to reboot about once week to regain access to the Prime and was getting annoyed.  Since updating to the latest release, these issues have appeared to have stopped. 


Edited by jcalabria - 4/12/13 at 9:03am
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