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post #1381 of 1922
For my Prime the tuner seems much better then the one in my clear QAM divco tuner that had the best LG chip out when I got it as I get much less issues and errors in the stream when I run my caps through video redo plus H64 compared to my old clear QAM caps from the divco. The tuner functions they added with the latest beta firmwares that allow many media players to see and use all the tuners is nice but not quite ready for prime time, especially the premium channels folders as those do have major issues, the non premium channel folders pretty much work OK but like said trying to channel surf sucks as you have to scroll through the list.
I'm really interested in the new 4 tuner version too if it works even better, and I spose a added tuner would be nice though I've only seen it record 3 at once a few times. I love mine and it made my cable easy to capture like it used to be before they got greedy. Don't know what I'd do with the 3 tuner version I have as I don't feel like paying for another card.

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post #1382 of 1922
I don't have any problems with signal strength or quality on my Prime. It is right off a splitter at the drop though. The cabling in my house is some 40 years old, with splitters who knows where and of poor quality where the CableCo STB does not perform well off the outlets that I do have. The reason I went with the prime was to have a networked solution because the network cabling is much newer and I installed it myself. The Prime does a fantastic job in my application.
post #1383 of 1922
Yeah, I haven't had a problem with either of my Primes and I only feed them about -15dB to -19dB. Now that the Analogs are gone on my ComCast I'll probably disconnect the cable from the TVs and gain a couple of dB.
post #1384 of 1922
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Originally Posted by benchmarkman View Post

Thanks for the reply, that's what I thought. If I stream live TV to my DLNA supported device then I don't need a PC on correct?

Correct, PC doesn't have to be on to stream live TV from the Prime.

I'll have to add my own anecdotal 'no signal issues with the Prime' comment here, mine is on a longer drop with lower-quality RG59 cable split before the Prime and I've never seen a signal issue with it. But it's only about -5 to -7 db.
post #1385 of 1922
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Originally Posted by olyteddy View Post

Yeah, I haven't had a problem with either of my Primes and I only feed them about -15dB to -19dB. Now that the Analogs are gone on my ComCast I'll probably disconnect the cable from the TVs and gain a couple of dB.

You get a quality picture with that?

I have 100% nearly all the time for all three and never less than about 92%.



post #1386 of 1922
Yeah, so far no lockups stutters or tiling. I don't intend to leave it that low, I just stuck a splitter on when I added the second Prime. I have a few dB I can gain by disconnecting a couple TVs from the cable though.


EDIT: That's my highest channel.
Edited by olyteddy - 4/21/13 at 10:49am
post #1387 of 1922
Have to disagree about the tuner quality. Since I hooked my HD prime and PC up to a gigabit switch, I get no pixelization. I still have Charter DVRs and see no difference in quality on a 56" HDTV.
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

One of the problems with the Ceton and I am guessing the current HD Prime is that their tuners are not quite the equal of the better cableco boxes or what is is a Tivo. For example the same signal that can send the Ceton into a pixelated Rosharch test plays just fine on my Tivo HD. I know there is new Pime coming as well as a new ATSC Silicon Dust tuner. Word has it that the tuner in the ATSC device is improved. Any word or guess on wether the new Pirme will also have more robust tuners with better sensitivity and noise rejection? I would really like to see something more robust that what we get today. I know, all the fault lies with Comcast's or whoever your provider is, but that answer doesn't change the fact that some device just deal with the real world better than the Ceton, which i know for sure and the Prime judging from what I have read of this thread.

I would have no problem adding one or more of the new Primes to my infrastructure if they were really better mouse traps when they ship.
post #1388 of 1922
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post


You get a quality picture with that?

I have 100% nearly all the time for all three and never less than about 92%.

I envy you. Right now I'm getting in the 80's. Still trying to figure out if I can get it higher.

Sent from my Nexus 7
post #1389 of 1922
So, it looks like they have discontinued the 6 tuner model?

How does WMC deal with being hooked up to two 3 tuner models? Can it automatically grab an available tuner from a choice of two units, and does it do this well?
post #1390 of 1922
I had two hooked up for awhile and had no issues with it dynamically choosing tuners from either one. My issue was having to use 2 cable cards and Oceanic TWC charging me a ridiculous extra outlet fee so I got a HDHR Dual for QAM instead. That combo works well also.
post #1391 of 1922
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Originally Posted by Dave Harper View Post

I had two hooked up for awhile and had no issues with it dynamically choosing tuners from either one. My issue was having to use 2 cable cards and Oceanic TWC charging me a ridiculous extra outlet fee so I got a HDHR Dual for QAM instead. That combo works well also.

Ahh,, Interesting.

So pardon my novice level of understanding of this stuff, but with the QAM only tuner, what kind of channels can you receive? Which channels actually require the cable card?

Also, is the system smart enough to grab one of the QAM only tuners first, when tuning to a QAM channel, leaving the cable card tuners free for channels that require cable cards?
post #1392 of 1922
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Originally Posted by mattlach View Post

Ahh,, Interesting.

So pardon my novice level of understanding of this stuff, but with the QAM only tuner, what kind of channels can you receive? Which channels actually require the cable card?

Also, is the system smart enough to grab one of the QAM only tuners first, when tuning to a QAM channel, leaving the cable card tuners free for channels that require cable cards?
THIS will show you the QAM channels you will get. If you connect the coax from the wall directly to your TV, bypassing your cable box, and scan for just digital channels, you'll see what clear QAM channels you have. In most markets, that's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 channels. But most, if not all, cable companies are going to encrypt all channels soon, so you won't get any clear QAM channels in the near future.

With a cable card you get every channel your cable box gets (minus On Demand), typically a few hundred more than just clear QAM.

Bottom line, if you subscribe to a cable package, it would be foolish to not use a cable card, unless it was prohibitively expensive as in the OP's case. In my market, cable cards are only $2 each, no matter how many you get.
post #1393 of 1922
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Bottom line, if you subscribe to a cable package, it would be foolish to not use a cable card, unless it was prohibitively expensive as in the OP's case. In my market, cable cards are only $2 each, no matter how many you get.

Oh, I agree, but what he is talking about is not forgoing cable cards all together, but using a non-cable card tuner to supplement the 3 cable card tuners in the prime, for 5 total tuners, 3 of which can tune to everything, and two of which are Clear QAM only.

The box is $100 cheaper than the Prime box, and for me That's $3.99 per month in savings for having one cable card rather than two, so it's not a HUGE amount of money, but if it works, I'd rather spend less than more.

So, what is important to me here is if in this type of setup, the system is smart enough to use one of the two Clear QAM only tuners when watching Clear QAM channels, leaving the 3 cable card tuners free for future cable card tuning, or if it just randomly grabs the first one it sees.
post #1394 of 1922
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Originally Posted by mattlach View Post

Oh, I agree, but what he is talking about is not forgoing cable cards all together, but using a non-cable card tuner to supplement the 3 cable card tuners in the prime, for 5 total tuners, 3 of which can tune to everything, and two of which are Clear QAM only.

The box is $100 cheaper than the Prime box, and for me That's $3.99 per month in savings for having one cable card rather than two, so it's not a HUGE amount of money, but if it works, I'd rather spend less than more.

So, what is important to me here is if in this type of setup, the system is smart enough to use one of the two Clear QAM only tuners when watching Clear QAM channels, leaving the 3 cable card tuners free for future cable card tuning, or if it just randomly grabs the first one it sees.
No it isn't smart enough to use a QAM tuner first. But you can assign certain channels to certain tuners in WMC. I've never done that myself, so I don't know the details.

Just be aware that clear QAM is going away soon, so your QAM tuner will be worthless. You need to factor that into your analysis.

FWIW, I got a couple of quad tuner Ceton InfiniTV's used for $100 each, which is pretty close to the cost of a new HD Homerun.
post #1395 of 1922
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Originally Posted by Dartman View Post

For my Prime the tuner seems much better then the one in my clear QAM divco tuner that had the best LG chip out when I got it as I get much less issues and errors in the stream when I run my caps through video redo plus H64 compared to my old clear QAM caps from the divco. The tuner functions they added with the latest beta firmwares that allow many media players to see and use all the tuners is nice but not quite ready for prime time, especially the premium channels folders as those do have major issues, the non premium channel folders pretty much work OK but like said trying to channel surf sucks as you have to scroll through the list.
I'm really interested in the new 4 tuner version too if it works even better, and I spose a added tuner would be nice though I've only seen it record 3 at once a few times. I love mine and it made my cable easy to capture like it used to be before they got greedy. Don't know what I'd do with the 3 tuner version I have as I don't feel like paying for another card.

JRiver has the Ceton working well now and they are trying to get the Primes going assuming no major unforseen hurdles they could have it working in a matter of days. Of course this would only be for non-copy protected content.
post #1396 of 1922
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Originally Posted by mattlach View Post

So, what is important to me here is if in this type of setup, the system is smart enough to use one of the two Clear QAM only tuners when watching Clear QAM channels, leaving the 3 cable card tuners free for future cable card tuning, or if it just randomly grabs the first one it sees.
You can set the tuner priority for each channel. Open the Media Center guide, highlight the channel number and press OK, then select "Edit Channel", then go to "Edit Sources". Move the tuners up and down the list to set the priority.
post #1397 of 1922
I never did the tuner assigning for clear QAM but weirdly it seemed to always use the clear QAM tuner whenever one was selected FIRST! For example if it was recording a prime time network show it seemed to always use the Dual, even two shows at a time on each tuner of the dual. confused.gif
post #1398 of 1922
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

You can set the tuner priority for each channel. Open the Media Center guide, highlight the channel number and press OK, then select "Edit Channel", then go to "Edit Sources". Move the tuners up and down the list to set the priority.

Anyone know how too get a tuner to show up again after accidentally removing it from a channel?

Sent from my Nexus 7
post #1399 of 1922
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Originally Posted by leebo View Post

Anyone know how too get a tuner to show up again after accidentally removing it from a channel?

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How did you remove it? If you removed the tuner by splitting the channel, try this.
post #1400 of 1922
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Originally Posted by mattlach View Post

Ahh,, Interesting.

So pardon my novice level of understanding of this stuff, but with the QAM only tuner, what kind of channels can you receive? Which channels actually require the cable card?

Also, is the system smart enough to grab one of the QAM only tuners first, when tuning to a QAM channel, leaving the cable card tuners free for channels that require cable cards?
THIS will show you the QAM channels you will get. If you connect the coax from the wall directly to your TV, bypassing your cable box, and scan for just digital channels, you'll see what clear QAM channels you have. In most markets, that's probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 channels. But most, if not all, cable companies are going to encrypt all channels soon, so you won't get any clear QAM channels in the near future.

With a cable card you get every channel your cable box gets (minus On Demand), typically a few hundred more than just clear QAM.

Bottom line, if you subscribe to a cable package, it would be foolish to not use a cable card, unless it was prohibitively expensive as in the OP's case. In my market, cable cards are only $2 each, no matter how many you get.

Which is a lot more than 20 channels in my area but only about 6 that I regularly watch so it is pretty much useless for me.
post #1401 of 1922
I have 2 Win 7 PC's; I'm running HDHomerun Prime (3 tuners). WMC center breaks up or does not run smooth when on HD channels. CPU and memory are below 50%, tuner signals are at 100%. I have all latest updates for my devices, yet I can open HDHomeRun Quick TV and it will run very smooth with the highest picture and sound quality and will not skip a beat for as long as its running. What can I do to get WMC to run the same way? What am I missing?

Thank you
post #1402 of 1922
Playing on the PC itself? Give us the specs for your rigs including video.
post #1403 of 1922
Generally this is a network issue and how the data must be transmitted to wmc compared to the "simple" method that qtv can use. For some people the problem is alleviated by using a switch to connect the devices rather than connecting the devices to the router's built in switch. For others, it is often caused by the security/firewall package used on the PC so it is advised to just use MSE (defender on Win8) and the windows firewall. I also see it happen to those who insist wireless will work as they have plenty of bandwidth but with WMC a consistent quality stream must be present not prone to any interruptions/errors that wireless will have from time to time,
post #1404 of 1922
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

JRiver has the Ceton working well now and they are trying to get the Primes going assuming no major unforseen hurdles they could have it working in a matter of days. Of course this would only be for non-copy protected content.
Just noticed your reply to my post. SO is Jriver working on custom firmware based on the latest factory betas for these guys? I'd love to get rid of the tuners costing me money to rent except for my free on demand stuff so if they have something that works better maybe it's be a option to at least figure a way to send video to the extra rooms in here without needing more boxes.
I'll have to do some searching now and see whats up but thanks for the tip.
post #1405 of 1922
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Originally Posted by Ken.F View Post

How did you remove it? If you removed the tuner by splitting the channel, try this.

Thank you, Ken.F. It sounded a little complicated, but it worked! I had split, but later deleted the second one that the split created, thinking it would default back to the way it originally was. However, it just disappeared.
Now it's back to the way it originally was.
post #1406 of 1922
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Originally Posted by signcarver View Post


I believe I said you want to split before... You will have "no" problems if split (other than potential signal issue)... I suggest either a 3way with best output (-3.5) to prime, and the two lesser (-7 each) to moca and TA, or a two way with one going to TA and the other to Moca with its output to prime (this output is often filtered without passing the moca signals)... or as I said before if using a two way, and you daisy chain the prime off the TA and put a moca filter in place prior to the input on the TA (some people like blaming moca signals for everything and suggest filters on all device that don't use it). What you sometimes have trouble with is the TA not being able to talk back through the moca interface and/or the moca interface not being able to communicate through the TA... you do not want these two devices daisy chained together. Since the prime is one directional, it does not matter if this is after a device (either the moca adapter or TA) but usually the prime is the device on which you want the best possible signal and going through a device may degrade it. Going through a 3 way may degrade the signal to/from the TA and/or moca adapter too much where one may not work properly (depends on other wiring) in which case I would try one of the other methods using a two way splitter and see if it improves. My most recent moca install, I actually went to the adjacent bedroom to house the moca adapter and 2nd floor "switch" (as that room also needed ethernet for the daughter's computer so the switch provided for both upstairs bedrooms and office) and used its direct coax back to the main distribution (4 way splitter, one to each bedroom and one to main living area) to get the ethernet to the first floor where the router was and connected 2nd floor prime and computers to that switch... prime had its own cable off the 4 way. When that location added SDV, I split it in that room for TA and prime with no problems as good signal to 4way.

OK, let's make this a bit more complex! So far I've tried everything suggested (I think) but am still having signal issues.

In my original post on this issue, I left out a part of my set up. I did this to try and keep things simpler, and also because I am not having issues on the other part.
We actually have TWO Primes, and TWO TA's. I will refer to them as P1 and TA1 (working fine), and P2 and TA2 (weak signal).

P1/TA1 are located in the main house, and we are having no issues with them. They are connected thusly: feed from 4 way splitter under house to a 2 way splitter in the house, one feed to cable modem and the other feed to the MOCA, MOCA to TA, TA to Prime. Although this goes against your recommendation, it's working fine. A WMC PC in the main house uses this Prime.

In the garage room (where we are having our problem), it goes: feed from 4 way splitter under house to 3 way splitter in garage room, 3.5db to Prime2, the other two 7db feeds to TA2 and MOCA. So with this we have weak signal issues.

I have tried feed from 4 way splitter under house to MOCA, MOCA to TA2, TA2 to Prime2, as we have in the main house, but the signal was slightly weaker than now.

So now I know of only two more options: use an amp under the house in place of the 4 way splitter, or move P2/TA2 into the main house near P1/TA1. If I do the latter, how should I connect everything?
Feed from 4 way under the house to a 3 way in the house, split feed 1 to cable modem, feed 2 to the MOCA, MOCA to TA1, TA1 to Prime1, feed 3 to TA2 then to P2?

Or, I can use another 4 way in the house: feed 1 to modem, feed 2 to MOCA, feed 3 to TA1, TA1 to Prime1, feed 4 to TA2 then TA2 to P2?

Aspirin please.
post #1407 of 1922
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

Playing on the PC itself? Give us the specs for your rigs including video.

Everyhing is connected to a netgear Gigbit switch
The network adapter shows 1 gb speed, (hard wire) firewall is turned off.
Win 7
Gateway NV78
Intel Core Duo CPU T6500 2.1 GHz
3 GB Ram
Display Adapter= Mobile Intel 4 Series Express
This will happen on the PC and the TV via HDMI.
It's frustrating because the picture looks awsome.

Thanks for the help
post #1408 of 1922
You could try one of the better quality amplified 2 way cable splitter amps to the bad garage setup and see if that helps, plus make sure you have high bandwidth quad shielded RG6 cable feeding everything as the cables, then a quality Motorola amp got my old house back to 100 percent signal form a lot of dropouts and poor signal to the tuner card I was using on the PC in my bedroom. Make sure the normal splitters are high quality two way too or that will add problems, and sometime even the cable ends will cause issues if not crimped well enough or good quality.
post #1409 of 1922
Thanks for the input.

I had the cable co replace the 4 way splitter under the house several weeks ago, and I just ran a brand new RG6 cable (from Monoprice) from the 4 way under the house to the garage room. I had hoped replacing that cable would be enough as the old cable was actually two cables connected together with a barrel connector. One cable was RG6 and the other was RG59! But it didn't really help.
post #1410 of 1922
It could be that the run is too long and you need a powered splitter to enhance the signal before going this length.
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