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post #1861 of 1922
It would also be subject to the scrambling of the basic channels by Comcast.

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post #1862 of 1922
OK I'm jumping into this thread pretty green so I appologise in advance if I'm asking questions that have been asked but may be burried deep inside this long 63 page thread.

I'm currently in the process of finishing my basement. I'm looking for a way to add 2 TV's and one projector in the basement without adding 3 more set top boxes to my already large comcast cable bill. I currently have 2 TV's one in my living room and one in my bedroom that are hooked up to PC's as I use them with Plex. They are both older samsung non smart tv's but do have DLNA built into them. Again I am adding a projector in the media room, TV above future bar, and TV for the kiddos all in the basement. I will most likely rent one more dvr for the basement wich will go in my AV rack that is in a shared wall with my media room. All pc's are in my home are running windows 8.1 pro so I do understand that I may have to purchase WMC as a one time Fee and I'm ok with that. My plan was to use a HDHomerun prime box and set one PC on my network to act as my DVR and set the recorded location as a Plex location on my network so that anything that get's recorded get's updated automatically on my plex server. The bar TV will be or should be a smart TV so I'm hoping and from what I can figure from reading that a Samsung smart TV will have an app that will work with HDHomerun Prime? I may not get a guide but as long as I can change channels I'm ok with that. This will mainly be used for sports anyway and not used as a main viewing location. I am prewireing everything with multiple cat6 drops. Does this setup sound like it should work out pretty well? As long as either there is a windows PC connected to the TV or it is a smart TV with the hdhomerun prime app then I should be able to get a live TV feed correct?

Thanks in advance!
post #1863 of 1922

What I have recently discovered is that not all DLNA compliant TV's are equal. Some can deal with a scrambled Comcast signal and others cannot. I am in the same situation with a bar TV for sports. As long as I am watching a channel that is not scrambled, like the major networks, it is fine. ESPNHD - no go. But other DLNA tv's/tablets/computers have no issue with the scrambled channels. Nothing will tune HBO, as expected.

post #1864 of 1922
I have one of the Samsung 530 media player/cable boxes. It can use the primes tuner fine, sees everything fine except my one movie channel, and the channel numbers and actual channels are right, so I'd think their new TV's with the same features should work.
I already have one HD cable box they aren't charging me for or I'd consider using it as a tuner somehow, but it already is a cable card tuner so kinda redundant.
post #1865 of 1922
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Originally Posted by gec5741 View Post

OK I'm jumping into this thread pretty green so I appologise in advance if I'm asking questions that have been asked but may be burried deep inside this long 63 page thread.

I'm currently in the process of finishing my basement. I'm looking for a way to add 2 TV's and one projector in the basement without adding 3 more set top boxes to my already large comcast cable bill. I currently have 2 TV's one in my living room and one in my bedroom that are hooked up to PC's as I use them with Plex. They are both older samsung non smart tv's but do have DLNA built into them. Again I am adding a projector in the media room, TV above future bar, and TV for the kiddos all in the basement. I will most likely rent one more dvr for the basement wich will go in my AV rack that is in a shared wall with my media room. All pc's are in my home are running windows 8.1 pro so I do understand that I may have to purchase WMC as a one time Fee and I'm ok with that. My plan was to use a HDHomerun prime box and set one PC on my network to act as my DVR and set the recorded location as a Plex location on my network so that anything that get's recorded get's updated automatically on my plex server. The bar TV will be or should be a smart TV so I'm hoping and from what I can figure from reading that a Samsung smart TV will have an app that will work with HDHomerun Prime? I may not get a guide but as long as I can change channels I'm ok with that. This will mainly be used for sports anyway and not used as a main viewing location. I am prewireing everything with multiple cat6 drops. Does this setup sound like it should work out pretty well? As long as either there is a windows PC connected to the TV or it is a smart TV with the hdhomerun prime app then I should be able to get a live TV feed correct?

Thanks in advance!

Gec5741,

I have a Samsung F6300 series SmartTV and though I generally use a cable box, the DLNA feature will tune into all of the copy freely channels I have tried directly from my Prime. It is not convenient to tune into channels that way, but it works. The key is to have a provider that doesn't use 'copy once' protection on the channels you want. Otherwise you need WMC extenders.

Also consider that if you record two programs consecutively on two channels, there will be a few minutes where two tuners are used, which only leaves one tuner for TVs to tune into.
post #1866 of 1922
I'm seeming to have an minor issue with my Prime. Lately it seems that whenever I watch LiveTV, sometimes while watching something the picture would suddenly freeze up to where I have to go physically unplug and plug the Prime box back in for me to watch TV again. I don't know why this is happening. The Prime is on the latest driver as far as I know.

Has anyone ran into this issue on the Prime? If so what could be the cause of the occasional picture freezes?
post #1867 of 1922
If its what I'm thinking of, I occasionally get this (once every month maybe) and just clicking the 5 second back once or twice "unsticks" it. I'm not sure if its a prime issue or a WMC one (I'd guess the later personally).

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I'm seeming to have an minor issue with my Prime. Lately it seems that whenever I watch LiveTV, sometimes while watching something the picture would suddenly freeze up to where I have to go physically unplug and plug the Prime box back in for me to watch TV again. I don't know why this is happening. The Prime is on the latest driver as far as I know.

Has anyone ran into this issue on the Prime? If so what could be the cause of the occasional picture freezes?
post #1868 of 1922
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If its what I'm thinking of, I occasionally get this (once every month maybe) and just clicking the 5 second back once or twice "unsticks" it. I'm not sure if its a prime issue or a WMC one (I'd guess the later personally).

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I'm seeming to have an minor issue with my Prime. Lately it seems that whenever I watch LiveTV, sometimes while watching something the picture would suddenly freeze up to where I have to go physically unplug and plug the Prime box back in for me to watch TV again. I don't know why this is happening. The Prime is on the latest driver as far as I know.

Has anyone ran into this issue on the Prime? If so what could be the cause of the occasional picture freezes?

Had a Prime since Oct 2011 IIRC, and this has never happened to me. Windows 7x64, GT430 video card and a couple of different Asus motherboards, P55 and now Z87. You can enable logging using one of the SiliconDust programs, wait for the problem to happen, and then open a ticket with them, specifying the time the problem occurred. It would also be worthwhile to ask about it on their forum, if you haven't already.
post #1869 of 1922
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I'm seeming to have an minor issue with my Prime. Lately it seems that whenever I watch LiveTV, sometimes while watching something the picture would suddenly freeze up to where I have to go physically unplug and plug the Prime box back in for me to watch TV again. I don't know why this is happening. The Prime is on the latest driver as far as I know.

Has anyone ran into this issue on the Prime? If so what could be the cause of the occasional picture freezes?

I started having this issue last week with my Dual. It usually happened after really long (3+ hours) viewing sessions. The Dual was extremely warm to the touch.
post #1870 of 1922
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I'm seeming to have an minor issue with my Prime. Lately it seems that whenever I watch LiveTV, sometimes while watching something the picture would suddenly freeze up to where I have to go physically unplug and plug the Prime box back in for me to watch TV again. I don't know why this is happening. The Prime is on the latest driver as far as I know.

Has anyone ran into this issue on the Prime? If so what could be the cause of the occasional picture freezes?

This happens occasionally with my prime on Verizon FIOS and it is caused by an interruption in the internet. When I minimize WMC or close it, the internet connectivity shows that I do not have a connection..sometimes the connection magically appears again or sometimes I have to right click troubleshoot the connection and it fixes it. It's annoying and happens every few weeks..and I swear it's on Saturday mornings.
post #1871 of 1922
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I'm seeming to have an minor issue with my Prime. Lately it seems that whenever I watch LiveTV, sometimes while watching something the picture would suddenly freeze up to where I have to go physically unplug and plug the Prime box back in for me to watch TV again. I don't know why this is happening. The Prime is on the latest driver as far as I know.

Has anyone ran into this issue on the Prime? If so what could be the cause of the occasional picture freezes?

This happens occasionally with my prime on Verizon FIOS and it is caused by an interruption in the internet. When I minimize WMC or close it, the internet connectivity shows that I do not have a connection..sometimes the connection magically appears again or sometimes I have to right click troubleshoot the connection and it fixes it. It's annoying and happens every few weeks..and I swear it's on Saturday mornings.
That doesn't make sense. The internet has nothing to do with your Prime or even your network. I'd look for a failure in your network that causes the internet and your Prime to drop out.
post #1872 of 1922
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That doesn't make sense. The internet has nothing to do with your Prime or even your network. I'd look for a failure in your network that causes the internet and your Prime to drop out.

I agree with you and never said the prime was causing the problem, it's my network dropping out occasionally or having blips in the connection. This causes the prime to freeze on live tv and may be his issue. Updating drivers, etc will not fix the problem if it's his network. Every time it happens I tell myself I will call Verizon, but it's such a minor pain and easy to unplug/replug in the Prime that I haven't bothered with troubleshooting.
post #1873 of 1922
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Originally Posted by AVTechMan View Post

I'm seeming to have an minor issue with my Prime. Lately it seems that whenever I watch LiveTV, sometimes while watching something the picture would suddenly freeze up to where I have to go physically unplug and plug the Prime box back in for me to watch TV again. I don't know why this is happening. The Prime is on the latest driver as far as I know.

Has anyone ran into this issue on the Prime? If so what could be the cause of the occasional picture freezes?
Does this happen at the same time of day? I had some Dell utility software messing up my Prime every day at noon. Maybe something similar is happening to you. See this post for details.
post #1874 of 1922
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Originally Posted by jcbaggins View Post

This happens occasionally with my prime on Verizon FIOS and it is caused by an interruption in the internet. When I minimize WMC or close it, the internet connectivity shows that I do not have a connection..sometimes the connection magically appears again or sometimes I have to right click troubleshoot the connection and it fixes it. It's annoying and happens every few weeks..and I swear it's on Saturday mornings.

It's not "internet" connectivity, but the network controller driver failure. The effect is not the cause.
post #1875 of 1922
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Originally Posted by jcbaggins View Post

This happens occasionally with my prime on Verizon FIOS and it is caused by an interruption in the internet. When I minimize WMC or close it, the internet connectivity shows that I do not have a connection..sometimes the connection magically appears again or sometimes I have to right click troubleshoot the connection and it fixes it. It's annoying and happens every few weeks..and I swear it's on Saturday mornings.

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That doesn't make sense. The internet has nothing to do with your Prime or even your network. I'd look for a failure in your network that causes the internet and your Prime to drop out.

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It's not "internet" connectivity, but the network controller driver failure. The effect is not the cause.

+1

I can disconnect my cable modem from the router and the Prime will still work as long as I have a cable signal and the router and network card are working. The "no Internet connection" indication is really "no network connection". The fact to you can use the windows network troubleshooter to reestablish Internet means that the network card is failing for some reason, like blueiedgod and olyteddy said above. The troubleshooter doesn't reestablish Internet, it resets the network card.
post #1876 of 1922
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+1

I can disconnect my cable modem from the router and the Prime will still work as long as I have a cable signal and the router and network card are working. The "no Internet connection" indication is really "no network connection". The fact to you can use the windows network troubleshooter to reestablish Internet means that the network card is failing for some reason, like blueiedgod and olyteddy said above. The troubleshooter doesn't reestablish Internet, it resets the network card.

Interesting. I apologize for hijacking this thread with my issue, but this is really good information. I guess the Verizon Fios all-in-one modem + router is not the problem, but it's the network card built into my motherboard. Damn. I guess when it starts to do it more frequently I'm looking at either replacing my motherboard or buying a separate network card.
post #1877 of 1922
Yes. Re-establishing the internet connection has to be done at the modem or even at the ISP headend.
post #1878 of 1922
Help me understand "QAM" Tuner.
I've used the Prime now for 2 years and I'm ready to cut the cord. Can I connect my OTA antenna to my prime and use the prime to recive OTA channels?

I attempted to do this as a test run, unplug cablecard, plug in antenna, then scan w/ WMC or use HDHR GUI, but no luck. cant find any channels. - is this expected behavior. Then what is the purpose of QAM
post #1879 of 1922
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Help me understand "QAM" Tuner.
I've used the Prime now for 2 years and I'm ready to cut the cord. Can I connect my OTA antenna to my prime and use the prime to recive OTA channels?

I attempted to do this as a test run, unplug cablecard, plug in antenna, then scan w/ WMC or use HDHR GUI, but no luck. cant find any channels. - is this expected behavior. Then what is the purpose of QAM

The HDHomeRun Prime can't receive an over the air signal. To do that, you need an ATSC tuner like the HDHomeRun Dual.

In the U.S., QAM is the way that the cable company sends the signal. The cablecard decodes encrypted QAM. If you can get channels without a cablecard, then that's called "ClearQAM", because it's unencrypted. To get an over the air signal in the U.S., you need an ATSC tuner, which is a fundametally different type of tuner than a QAM tuner.
post #1880 of 1922
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The HDHomeRun Prime can't receive an over the air signal. To do that, you need an ATSC tuner like the HDHomeRun Dual.

In the U.S., QAM is the way that the cable company sends the signal. The cablecard decodes encrypted QAM. If you can get channels without a cablecard, then that's called "ClearQAM", because it's unencrypted. To get an over the air signal in the U.S., you need an ATSC tuner, which is a fundametally different type of tuner than a QAM tuner.

thnx 4 the explaination. makes sense now
post #1881 of 1922
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thnx 4 the explaination. makes sense now

I'm not a cord cutter yet but depending upon what happens with TWC and Comcast, I may become one in the near future. I use an InfiniTV4 but was constantly having issues with all tuners in use so, back in 2012, I picked up two HDHomeRun Duals and along with them, WMC and a DB8 Antenna in my attic, I get perfect reception.

If you are thinking about cutting the cord and you get good OTA signals from all the broadcast companies, The HDHomeRun Duals and WMC work great. I get The CW, several different PBS affiliates, CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox and some other Independent local broadcast companies.
post #1882 of 1922

Hi,

 

After trying everything I could to get my Panasonic TC-P55ST30 TV to tune my Comcast scrambled channels via the HDHomeRun Prime (including installing multiple different dlna servers on my PC), I finally bought a refurb Roku3 from NewEgg for $69.95 USD. I installed a small server app called HDHRFling (http://hdhrfling.com/) on a PC on my network, paid another $15 USD and installed a 'private channel' on the Roku and I finally can watch all of my channels except for my paid HBO. As a plus, there is a rudimentary channel guide as well.

 

I almost went down the route of buying a mini computer based on Android (about the same price) and installing XBMC, but I have a full-fledged HTPC with XBMC and it requires significant stroking and tweaking. I was pleasantly surprised that I had the Roku up and working in about a half-hour. I just wanted to share the experience for anyone else out there frustrated with an incompatible TV. It's not the cheapest solution out there, but at this point, I am very pleased.

post #1883 of 1922
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Hi,

After trying everything I could to get my Panasonic TC-P55ST30 TV to tune my Comcast scrambled channels via the HDHomeRun Prime (including installing multiple different dlna servers on my PC), I finally bought a refurb Roku3 from NewEgg for $69.95 USD. I installed a small server app called HDHRFling (http://hdhrfling.com/) on a PC on my network, paid another $15 USD and installed a 'private channel' on the Roku and I finally can watch all of my channels except for my paid HBO. As a plus, there is a rudimentary channel guide as well.

I almost went down the route of buying a mini computer based on Android (about the same price) and installing XBMC, but I have a full-fledged HTPC with XBMC and it requires significant stroking and tweaking. I was pleasantly surprised that I had the Roku up and working in about a half-hour. I just wanted to share the experience for anyone else out there frustrated with an incompatible TV. It's not the cheapest solution out there, but at this point, I am very pleased.

You need to use an HTPC with Windows 7 Home Premium or above to properly tune your channels. DLNA is still in a beta state as far as I know and not all devices are properly supported as the standard is a little loosely followed. I have no problem using mine this way and if you want to have an extender the best way to do it is with a WMC extender such as and Xbox or Echo or other gen 1 extender.
post #1884 of 1922
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You need to use an HTPC with Windows 7 Home Premium or above to properly tune your channels. DLNA is still in a beta state as far as I know and not all devices are properly supported as the standard is a little loosely followed. I have no problem using mine this way and if you want to have an extender the best way to do it is with a WMC extender such as and Xbox or Echo or other gen 1 extender.

 

Thanks. Yes, indeed on my HTPC with W7Pro running XBMC Frodo and/or WMC or my work machine with W7Ult, I have no issues. Also no issue with dlna on my MacBookPro/Mav. The TV I was speaking of is in my basement gym and I don't have a PC down there. I thought about an older Xbox as an extender as well. On ebay they are a bit cheaper than the Roku. I was posting mainly to indicate that this is a workable solution that could be implemented with minimal pain in setting up and getting a high quality 1080p feed.

 

As far as dlna support being in beta for the HDHR Prime itself, the product page lists it as "dlna certified" whatever that means. In the silicon dust forums, there are many people with problems with the dlna features. I agree that the 'standard' must be pretty loose and that either the Prime isn't providing backwards compatibility to TV's from a few years ago or the TV's aren't compliant themselves.

post #1885 of 1922
DLNA has been out of beta (i.e., released) on the Prime for over a year now, but as mentioned client support is all over the map.
post #1886 of 1922
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DLNA has been out of beta (i.e., released) on the Prime for over a year now, but as mentioned client support is all over the map.

I understand this but what I mean to say is that it is still quirky on some devices. This is why I don't use it in addition to the lack of a guide and any PVR functionality.
post #1887 of 1922
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Originally Posted by KenV99 View Post

Hi,

After trying everything I could to get my Panasonic TC-P55ST30 TV to tune my Comcast scrambled channels via the HDHomeRun Prime (including installing multiple different dlna servers on my PC), I finally bought a refurb Roku3 from NewEgg for $69.95 USD. I installed a small server app called HDHRFling (http://hdhrfling.com/) on a PC on my network, paid another $15 USD and installed a 'private channel' on the Roku and I finally can watch all of my channels except for my paid HBO. As a plus, there is a rudimentary channel guide as well.

I almost went down the route of buying a mini computer based on Android (about the same price) and installing XBMC, but I have a full-fledged HTPC with XBMC and it requires significant stroking and tweaking. I was pleasantly surprised that I had the Roku up and working in about a half-hour. I just wanted to share the experience for anyone else out there frustrated with an incompatible TV. It's not the cheapest solution out there, but at this point, I am very pleased.

Marked the website to my favorites. Seems like a great alternative if you have a Roku already or a nice solution for easy setup. Thanks.
post #1888 of 1922
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Originally Posted by KenV99 View Post

Hi,

After trying everything I could to get my Panasonic TC-P55ST30 TV to tune my Comcast scrambled channels via the HDHomeRun Prime (including installing multiple different dlna servers on my PC), I finally bought a refurb Roku3 from NewEgg for $69.95 USD. I installed a small server app called HDHRFling (http://hdhrfling.com/) on a PC on my network, paid another $15 USD and installed a 'private channel' on the Roku and I finally can watch all of my channels except for my paid HBO. As a plus, there is a rudimentary channel guide as well.

I almost went down the route of buying a mini computer based on Android (about the same price) and installing XBMC, but I have a full-fledged HTPC with XBMC and it requires significant stroking and tweaking. I was pleasantly surprised that I had the Roku up and working in about a half-hour. I just wanted to share the experience for anyone else out there frustrated with an incompatible TV. It's not the cheapest solution out there, but at this point, I am very pleased.

Marked the website to my favorites. Seems like a great alternative if you have a Roku already or a nice solution for easy setup. Thanks.

Me too. And I take back my comment about no EPG/PVR, but does it handle copy protected content?
post #1889 of 1922
KenV99 mentions everything but HBO so probably not.
post #1890 of 1922
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Me too. And I take back my comment about no EPG/PVR, but does it handle copy protected content?

No, copy protected content won't play. Only way to get copy protected content to play is to use Windows Media Center or a DCTP-IP based device, which there are very very few of.
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