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post #271 of 316
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The work on the acoustic panels begins!

 

Here's a shot of the work setup.  I've got my wood cut.  I started with 2 by 6's and quartered them with my table saw.  It left me with 3/4" by 2 5/8" boards.  I'll use 2" insulation, which leaves me with a little space to put in some bracing across the inside of the back.

 

Here's a picture of my stuff all ready to go!  In the bucket are the internal L brackets for the inside corners.  With this, glue, and 3 16ga nails on each corner, the frame is very solid.

 

 

 

So, I did one mockup panel and set it up.  I was planning on a 6" gap around the panel and the woodwork, but I made a MISTAKE!  I took only 6" TOTAL off of the boards, which means I only have a 3" gap.  I took a picture of it up on the wall.  Here you go! (the can is a little low; the from should be up an inch)

 

 

What do you guys think about the size of the panel?  Currently it's 65" by 35".  I can still trim down all my boards fairly easily, and am planning to, but I wanted to know if anyone thought it'd be a good idea just to keep it larger.  Not much of the wall would show through, but I kind of like it large like that. I'm not sure...

post #272 of 316
I agree that it's pretty good that way, but I think you'll be happier with a symmetrical gap.
post #273 of 316
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Originally Posted by HopefulFred View Post

I agree that it's pretty good that way, but I think you'll be happier with a symmetrical gap.

It'll be symmetrical if I move the panel up an inch.  It'll be exactly 3" from wood trim/wood column to frame on all sides.  But you're saying you don't think it look too large, right? The panel itself is inset about 4" from the face of the columns (which you can't tell in the picture).

post #274 of 316
I knew I wasn't saying that clearly. I mean the side gaps should match the top and bottom. At least that's what my particular OCD requires.

It is pushing against the limits of "too large" but I'm glad to hear they're recessed more than the photo suggests. That helps minimize their visual impact, I suspect.
post #275 of 316
I think it looks fine. My only concern would be the panels absorbing too much sound leading to a room that sounded "dead". I don't how real a problem that would be in your room specifically.
post #276 of 316
I like it like that - if you're not sure, you might want to bring the picture into Paint or Photoshop, and color it the color of your fabric to see closer to what it would would look like finished. (I'd do it and post, but don't recall what fabric color you're using for the panels)
post #277 of 316
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Originally Posted by HopefulFred View Post

I knew I wasn't saying that clearly. I mean the side gaps should match the top and bottom. At least that's what my particular OCD requires.

It is pushing against the limits of "too large" but I'm glad to hear they're recessed more than the photo suggests. That helps minimize their visual impact, I suspect.

I think I will cut them down.  Anytime I'm hearing "minimize the impact" and that resonates with me, that's a sign to make a change!

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Originally Posted by BllDo View Post

I think it looks fine. My only concern would be the panels absorbing too much sound leading to a room that sounded "dead". I don't how real a problem that would be in your room specifically.

I've been chewing on this, too.  I may cover the top 1/3 or half with some poly film over the front, under the fabric so that just above ear level and up reflects most of the mids/highs.

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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

I like it like that - if you're not sure, you might want to bring the picture into Paint or Photoshop, and color it the color of your fabric to see closer to what it would would look like finished. (I'd do it and post, but don't recall what fabric color you're using for the panels)

You and I think alike, Brad!  I was in the middle mocking this up before your post.  Here's what I came up with.  I think the smaller panel looks nicer.  (They're dark brown...)

 

post #278 of 316
Don't let me make any decision for you. I'm just some yahoo on the Internet.
post #279 of 316
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Don't let me make any decision for you. I'm just some yahoo on the Internet.

Some yahoo?  You're the yahoo! wink.gif  I kid, I love every word anyone has to offer.  A lot of the time, it's nice to have sanity check, you know?! 

post #280 of 316
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Misfire: I got the wrong seats!  It turns out someone in Kansas has my seats, and I have his.  Grrr.  Roman did his part correctly, but Road Runner messed it up.

post #281 of 316
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Originally Posted by stevegravley View Post

You and I think alike, Brad!  I was in the middle mocking this up before your post.  Here's what I came up with.  I think the smaller panel looks nicer.  (They're dark brown...)

+1 on the smaller panel. I like the proportions on that one a lot better.
post #282 of 316
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Misfire: I got the wrong seats!  It turns out someone in Kansas has my seats, and I have his.  Grrr.  Roman did his part correctly, but Road Runner messed it up.

I think it's time for some retribution

post #283 of 316
Ut oh!
post #284 of 316
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It looks like they're headed back now...  Roadrunner sent me this pictures hoping you'd call off the the genius.

 

 

 

post #285 of 316
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I started building the acoustic panels.  Here are some pictures from my phone. (of course, I left my memory card at work so I couldn't use my camera)

 

Here's my setup.  L brackets and screws are in the pot.

 

I started with some quartered 2 by 6's cut to length.

 

I make sure that any edges with knots or imperfections are not facing the outside where the shape of would show on the cloth.

 

I roughly setup up one corner and clamp it lightly (if this is the 3rd and 4th corner).  I'd like to take a moment to thank the inventors of frame clamps.  My goodness, what a wonderful tool!  I have two and they've been invaluable.

 

Next up, I line up and glue the other corner.  Then, I clamp it.  Most of the time, there are some minor adjustments that need to be done such as raising one end a 16th to meet the other or using another clamp on top to counter a slight twist in the board.  This is framing lumber after all.  I probably could have saved the hassle going with higher quality boards, but I chose to save the money instead.

 

Next up, I put 3 or 4 nails into the joint.

 

Then, I use an L inside corner bracket to provide some additional strength.

 

This joint is finished.  I don't bother waiting until the glue is dried to release it.  That sucker's not going anywhere, and I have other corners to deal with!

 

One of the frames was skewed a bit, so I clamped my square to it, and redid the L bracket.  I did this on two corners.  This seemed to fix the problem.

 

And I'm done with that step!

 

 

 

This post is brought to you by the gutsiest daredevil bug I've run across.  This, what I can only describe as a house fly/mosquito hybrid, clung to my window at 40mph.  Well played, my little friend.

post #286 of 316
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More updates on the panels.

 

I added the cross braces.  These will prevent the taut fabric from bowing the wood inward and help keep the frame square.  I measured them, not flush with the back, but exactly 2 1/16" from the face so my 2" 3pfc insulation will fit in perfectly.

 

After the cross braces were added, I took a small rounder over bit and eased the front edges with my new palm router.  Fun stuff!

 

I think that was my most productive lunch break from work!

 

In other news, I shot the end of a nail into my freakin' hand!  It f@#(%*& hurts!  At least the bleeding has stopped...

post #287 of 316
Those are looking good. smile.gif

Sorry to hear about your hand. THAT is never good eek.gif
post #288 of 316
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In other news, I shot the end of a nail into my freakin' hand!  It f@#(%*& hurts!  At least the bleeding has stopped...

Sure, pics or it didn't happen. Just kidding. wink.gif

Looking good Steve. Also, it's nice to see that the return of your chairs are being "expedited." Although you may want to let those air out a bit before bringing them down stairs.
post #289 of 316
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Those are looking good. smile.gif

Sorry to hear about your hand. THAT is never good eek.gif

Thanks, Nick!  My sister-in-law lives down by you in Albia.  I drive by every once in awhile :)

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Sure, pics or it didn't happen. Just kidding. wink.gif

Looking good Steve. Also, it's nice to see that the return of your chairs are being "expedited." Although you may want to let those air out a bit before bringing them down stairs.

Haha!  Well, here you go, buddy.  I'm linking it instead of posting in case you can't handle my minor injury.  Man, Ibuprofen is a miracle.  It barely hurts anymore.

 

Seats will be here TOMORROW!  (probably...  that's what they said anyway...)

post #290 of 316
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Does anyone know if I need to paint my acoustic frames black before covering them?  I'm using Guilford of Maine Anchorage fabric in Coffee Bean color.  It looks like this.

 

post #291 of 316
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Originally Posted by stevegravley View Post

Does anyone know if I need to paint my acoustic frames black before covering them?  I'm using Guilford of Maine Anchorage fabric in Coffee Bean color.  It looks like this.

 

I just went ahead and covered the first panel without painting it.  No need to paint the wood.  The fabric is surprisingly thick for an acoustically transparent fabric!

 

I don't get points against me for quoting myself, do I?  It doesn't feel right. :)

post #292 of 316
Missed the question - but yeah, I think Anchorage is closed enough that it doesn't matter, FR701 could show through, I used a different line that's closer to Anchorage as far as openness, and didn't paint the frames, no problems, can't see through even with a flash.
post #293 of 316
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

Missed the question - but yeah, I think Anchorage is closed enough that it doesn't matter, FR701 could show through, I used a different line that's closer to Anchorage as far as openness, and didn't paint the frames, no problems, can't see through even with a flash.

No worries!  I'm moving fast now because I see projector's light at the end of the tunnel!

 

In other news, I received the correct seats!  I've only unpacked one to verify the contents, but I'll post pictures tonight or tomorrow.  I put on panel in the room (but not hung up) and I can definitely sense a gap in sound from that direction.  If I put my ear up to the panel, it's like listening to the essence of nothingness itself.  It's kind of creepy...

 

Also, my wife made me go and get a tetinus shot.  Bah!  (probably a good thing) :)

 

Also, I'm having fun building my own Fox themed fly by.  Here's a still!

post #294 of 316
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Originally Posted by stevegravley View Post

I just went ahead and covered the first panel without painting it.  No need to paint the wood.  The fabric is surprisingly thick for an acoustically transparent fabric!

I don't get points against me for quoting myself, do I?  It doesn't feel right. smile.gif

I wouldn't call Anchorage "acoustically transparent" .... FR701 and some of the other ones are 'better' in this regard but you are not putting it in front of speakers, so you should be fine. The columns look great!
post #295 of 316
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Originally Posted by pauleyc View Post


I wouldn't call Anchorage "acoustically transparent" .... FR701 and some of the other ones are 'better' in this regard but you are not putting it in front of speakers, so you should be fine. The columns look great!

That's a good point, Paul.  I'm going to have enough panels in the room that I may even be thankful if some of the sound is bouncing back!  In fact, I am building the panels in a way that I can adjust the amount of insulation I put in.  This way, I can remove half or all of the 3pfc material, but still have the panels installed for symmetry and appearance.

 

Thanks for the compliment on the columns!  They were a lot of work...

post #296 of 316
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I've finished the panels!  Here's the process.

 

First I gathered up my stuff.

 

An audience for my work, Puffs, the rabbit.

 

My staples

 

A staple gun (been my favorite reliable "cheap" tool).

 

I rounded the inside edges on my frames because on the test panel, you could see the sharp angle on the inside corner ever so slightly.

 

I laid out and cut my fabric.

 

I had to make sure it was ok before I cut it.

 

I started with one of the two longer edges and stapled about a third of it.

 

Then I matched the other side, pulling the fabric fairly tight, not only across, but also try to pull it away from the center.

 

Then I did the same for the top and bottom.

 

Then, I went back to the sides and finished them so they were done right up to the corners.

 

I apologize if this is tedious, but I wanted to show you how I did the corners.  I did a bit of trial and error, and I found a method that worked really well for me.

 

First, I pulled the slack from the long edge and stapled it around the corner with two staples.

 

After that I cut the extra off near the staples.  I did not cut all the way down to the corner, but instead, stopped at the end of the last staple.

 

The I pulled the extra flap from the top edge out.

 

I cut along that edge, leave about 3/4" of flap left over

 

Which left me with this.

 

Then you just take the flap, fold it under itself, and pull it tightly over the back edge of the frame.

 

Throw a few stapes down and you're done with that corner

 

Nice and neat!

 

Mmmmm, corners....

 

Then, I cut away the extra fabric

 

Here is my stack of four panels!  The fifth, the test one, is already downstairs in Level 4.

 

I grabbed some picture wire.

 

 

I attached it to one of my cross braces.

 

I put a pad so the bottom of the frame wouldn't rub against the wall.

 

I also cut two pieces of 3.5 mil plastic sheeting and put that on the top third.  It will rest in front of the insulation and reflect surround sound back into the room.  It's above ear height when you're sitting, but surround channels are at plastic height.

 

 

I've inserted the insulation and need to mount the panels.  Here, I'm taking a standardized with board I will use for all panels.  It's the width the screws will be on the wall.  I pull the wire up toward the top of panel.

 

Then, I measure the distance between the top of the panel and the board.  This help me determine how high to place the screws into the wall.

 

MATH

 

 

I predrilled the holes for my screws even though my drywall anchors don't specify I need to.  It just help me make sure the screws go in exactly where I want them.

 

Here are the anchors I used.

 

Here's the space

 

I inserted the sleeve part of the anchor into the wall, well, I screwed it in.

 

Then I inserted the screw.

 

And voila! The panel is mounted!

 

 

I have my seats now, so I'm going to take some pictures of those next!

post #297 of 316
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Originally Posted by stevegravley View Post

I've finished the panels!  Here's the process.

First I gathered up my stuff.

An audience for my work, Puffs, the rabbit.



My staples



A staple gun (been my favorite reliable "cheap" tool).



I rounded the inside edges on my frames because on the test panel, you could see the sharp angle on the inside corner ever so slightly.



I laid out and cut my fabric.



I had to make sure it was ok before I cut it.



I started with one of the two longer edges and stapled about a third of it.



Then I matched the other side, pulling the fabric fairly tight, not only across, but also try to pull it away from the center.



Then I did the same for the top and bottom.



Then, I went back to the sides and finished them so they were done right up to the corners.



I apologize if this is tedious, but I wanted to show you how I did the corners.  I did a bit of trial and error, and I found a method that worked really well for me.

First, I pulled the slack from the long edge and stapled it around the corner with two staples.



After that I cut the extra off near the staples.  I did not cut all the way down to the corner, but instead, stopped at the end of the last staple.



The I pulled the extra flap from the top edge out.



I cut along that edge, leave about 3/4" of flap left over



Which left me with this.



Then you just take the flap, fold it under itself, and pull it tightly over the back edge of the frame.



Throw a few stapes down and you're done with that corner



Nice and neat!



Mmmmm, corners....



Then, I cut away the extra fabric



Here is my stack of four panels!  The fifth, the test one, is already downstairs in Level 4.



I grabbed some picture wire.




I attached it to one of my cross braces.



I put a pad so the bottom of the frame wouldn't rub against the wall.



I also cut two pieces of 3.5 mil plastic sheeting and put that on the top third.  It will rest in front of the insulation and reflect surround sound back into the room.  It's above ear height when you're sitting, but surround channels are at plastic height.




I've inserted the insulation and need to mount the panels.  Here, I'm taking a standardized with board I will use for all panels.  It's the width the screws will be on the wall.  I pull the wire up toward the top of panel.



Then, I measure the distance between the top of the panel and the board.  This help me determine how high to place the screws into the wall.



MATH





I predrilled the holes for my screws even though my drywall anchors don't specify I need to.  It just help me make sure the screws go in exactly where I want them.



Here are the anchors I used.



Here's the space



I inserted the sleeve part of the anchor into the wall, well, I screwed it in.



Then I inserted the screw.



And voila! The panel is mounted!




I have my seats now, so I'm going to take some pictures of those next!

Yes,






I am impressed!





Very nice work OP! thank you for the awesome documentation and sharing it so well.
post #298 of 316
Dang Steve, looks like you are ready to start your own reupholstery business.

I'll have to have you over to my place to do some panels. Do you work for beer by any chance?
post #299 of 316
My favorite was the picture just titled "Math".
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My favorite was the picture just titled "Math".

I liked seeing the stars next to it like getting a problem right on a math test.
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