My Epson 3010 projector just arrived! - Page 40

Originally Posted by mankhan

Just for your info........3D crosstalk/ghosting shall never be eliminated from 3D projectors.............

Is that true???

http://www.highdefforum.com/3dtv-har...ans-terms.html

Originally Posted by mankhan

What about using 3010 with Epson glasses??? There is crosstalk, right?? Is it because it is relatively cheap projector in 3D, what about Optoma HD33, it is DLP and has no crosstalk and is cheaper then 3010 then why to buy 3010. What is the difference and what is the reason that customer should prefer 3010 over HD33.

Originally Posted by falafala

Thats full if BS....DLP 3d has ZERO cross talk....even 3010 has Zero cross talk with monster glasses

Originally Posted by xhonzi

There's cross talk and then there's cross talk.

They will also never make a projector (of any kind) that has perfect blacks. That's just the way it is.

Part of the problem with cross talk is not the display, but the glasses. There isn't an LCD screen in existance that can block out 100% of a bright light. It might be able to block out enough to deliver low enough light that it doesn't bother you, or is below your level of perception. But it's not blocking out all of it. Again, since this flaw is in the (shutter) glasses, it doesn't matter if it's LCD, DLP, or film.

Polarized is similar. If you shine an intense light at a pair of linearly polarized lenses offset at 90 degrees (theoretically blocking all light) you might be surprised at how much still gets through. That, and everything that happens to a polarized lightwave tends to depolarize it at least a little bit (especially the "reflecting off of a screen" bit)... you're going to have cross talk.

The goal is not to eliminate it totally, because that isn't possible... just to get it below the level of detection/give a crap.

Originally Posted by mankhan

Thanks for sharing your knowledge. So how can we achieve the goal that least crosstalk appears to our eyes, like any settings in PJ or anything else? But still as per my experience, not every movie shows crosstalk. AVATAR and FD 5 do not exhibit any crosstalk, which means that if 3D BD is made good it shall deliver good and vice versa.

Originally Posted by xhonzi

Contrast is a big deal, as is separation. Two things you can't really control. If one eye is supposed to see the blackest black and the other eye the whitest white, then you'll see some crosstalk. Especially when you look through the LCD shutter glasses at low intersecting angles. A lot of movies don't show this since the comparative contrast is so low.

The other thing movies do is have the thing you're looking at be at the neutral plane that the screen is on. That way there is no cross talk, because both eyes are seeing the same thing. If there is a little crosstalk on an out of focus background element, you won't notice it so much.

As far as what you can do at home, I'm not an expert... but you can sit further back, which narrow the angles coming into the glasses... you can reduce brightness. And Falafala has reported that the Monster glasses can be tuned to have less crosstalk by playing with the timing. In theory, adjusting the timing would improve the crosstalk on any pair of LCD shutter glasses... but sadly the emitter on the 3010 doesn't allow for this kind of tuning. It would be nice if Epson would release a firmware update that allowed it. Perhaps it's buried in an advanced menu somewhere. The tuning is related to how long each shutter is open.

Originally Posted by falafala

the following will go down in history as greatest blunders committed by 3D industry (by not implementing them on their 1st generation offerings) that could lead to it demise

1) Give users ability to adjust cross talk from day one like Monstor does

2) Give the users ability to switch their glasses to 2D mode (similar to Simulview)

Originally Posted by webblogger4

The Panasonic 3rd gen glasses allow you to switch to 2D mode...

Originally Posted by webblogger4

The Panasonic 3rd gen glasses allow you to switch to 2D mode...

Originally Posted by vincentfox

This thread hasn't had much technical stuff lately. Epson has published the serial command set and WOW there's a lot in there. The Excel sheet is long.

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/s...odoid=63091961

Originally Posted by xhonzi

Dang, was hoping for some Shutter Glasses tuning options.

Originally Posted by mankhan

one question, I have noticed that by using Epson glasses the brightness of picture cuts down almost to half. Does that also happen with for example Panasonic 3rd generation or Sony playstation 3D glasses?

Originally Posted by wazzul

All 3D glasses are going to darken the picture a little just by nature

Originally Posted by DaGamePimp

The lag is there in 1080p 3D...

We played some Crysis 2 in 3D with my cousins SLi'd 580 pc and while the 3D looked great the lag is there. It's probably not enough to bother most people, especially those that only play games that are not First Person Shooters. The lag is not horrible but it is easily detected if you test it (quick flick of the controller and watch the screen for the delay).

Also the 3010 is not 100% with Nvidia 3D Vision, we had to use the faked EDID monitor inf to get it going. It worked fine with the PS3 (did not test the 360, sorry).

* Nvidia 3D vision would not run at 1080p 60Hz on the 3010, but would run at 1080p 59Hz for some reason.

Jason

Originally Posted by sprocket360

I just received my Epson 3010

Originally Posted by mflanagan

* Is it possible for Epson to fix the Lag Issues on the 3010 with a firmware update?

Originally Posted by mankhan

If you are into 3D then 3010 is definitely a best choice money vise. Just have a demo of 3010 and 5010 side by side and then make your final choice. I have found 3010 is an excellent choice but the only issue perhaps crosstalk and iris noise as some are complaining on this. Rest is all great. 8350 has contrast ratio of 50000:1 and 3010 has 40000:1 so in reality it is not much noticeable to human eyes.

Originally Posted by falafala

the following will go down in history as greatest blunders committed by 3D industry (by not implementing them on their 1st generation offerings) that could lead to it demise

1) Give users ability to adjust cross talk from day one like Monstor does

2) Give the users ability to switch their glasses to 2D mode (similar to Simulview)

Originally Posted by xhonzi

Someone can correct me if they know better, but does the "3D Brightness" control on the 3010 actually affect the shut period on the glasses? It seems to me that it does. Higher brightness=glasses are open more=more crosstalk. Less brightness=glasses are shut more=less crosstalk.

Or is it actually affecting how much the brightness is boosted by the PJ in 3D mode?

Originally Posted by xhonzi

Someone can correct me if they know better, but does the "3D Brightness" control on the 3010 actually affect the shut period on the glasses? It seems to me that it does. Higher brightness=glasses are open more=more crosstalk. Less brightness=glasses are shut more=less crosstalk.

Or is it actually affecting how much the brightness is boosted by the PJ in 3D mode?