My Epson 3010 projector just arrived! - Page 45

Wow, a secret pixel alignment feature on an LCD projector at this price, nice...

I agree. That is huge. I wish I could get that working with my 8350.

Is there any way that you may get 3010's service manual and share with everyone. It will tell all about rest of the DIPs.

I am flattered that you are asking me, but I don't know how to get one.

I have been following this thread for some time now and want to say thanks to all for the info on the Espon 3010. This hidden lcd alignment menu, however, does interest me. I have tried to find it on my 3010 but cannot. Can I access this by just using the remote or is my projector missing something that is should have...or deos it require "breaking into" the projector in some way.

Although for the most part the ghosting on this projector doesnt bother me, if it can be further reduced that would be awesome....thanks

If you have followed the procedure then you shall find "LCD Alignment" option in Extended menu and if it is not there then it means you did not follow the procedure correctly. I have crosstalk/ghosting and according to Epson customer care, LCD alignment feature shall also help for minimizing crosstalk/ghosting but in my case i got the alignment and i got more sharp clear picture but crosstalk is still there, perhaps crosstalk relates to some other adjustment, so far no body knows except Epson.

Thanks for the toughts...I tried a couple of times and I finally muddled my way through it. THis may be above my pay grade...not sure exactly what it is that I am doing...what am i looking for when I see the yellow box in the corner...should I be able to see a noticable red line outside of that yellow box if it is out of alignment?

My big quesstion is if later produced models deal with alignment and crosstalk better. I have one of the first to come out, and while the crosstalk is not bad, in some instances it does drive me a bit nuts...I guess we all probably want a perfect projector and for the price of the 3010 and the limitations of the 3d technology generally, this might be too high of an aspiration

Now that we know how to make 3010 behave like 5010, we can use Epsons 5010 user manual for instructions on LCD alignment

http://files.support.epson.com/pdf/p...plhc5010ug.pdf

See Page 52

I would say call epson again and complain about cross talk...who knows may be they will send you some extra glasses to try out that you get to keep

Thanks for the info. I am so curious what all the other stuff is in there as well...and why would they not have simply included the lcd alignment as part of the original memory...it makes no sense to hold something like that back.

I will let you know if the alignment helps or not...the guys at epson, though trying to be helpful, really seem to be behind on this one. They seem stunned by the crosstalk issue even though its all over the web...they said if the alignement doesnt work that it is probably an issue with the machine. Godbless thre awesome return policy, but I just wonder if it isnt something inherent in the machine...I wish I could see one that has been reported to have minimal crosstalk so I had something to compare it with. I guess if they send a new projector and its the same then I likely have my answer.

And again...maybe I am seeking perfection where none is ever going to exist.

DLP are the only ones with perfect cross talk.

With Epson you can get almost to 99% there with monster glasses where you can tune it out.

Thanks for sharing 5010. I found there 3D depth adjustment option as well. We might get it as well on 3010 by playing with DIP switches. What you recon?

who knows !

my read is that this 3d depth adjustment goes hand in hand with 2D to 3D conversion.

I won't be surprised if 3010 inherently supports all of 5010 features and Epson just repackaged 5010 with an extra filter to get deeper blacks but everything else is same as 3010....enable-able through dips switches !

wow. now that would be a thought...it is strange they would hide this feature when it would be something they could promote...cant wait to hear any news.

On another subject...do you guys happen to notice worse crosstalk with tv program 3d v. a bluray? Some of the direct tv braodcasts are nearly unwatchable.

BTW...I tried the monster glasses...didn't have much luck with them...maybe I had a bad pair.

I just did the dip switch trick to enable the LCD alignment in the menu. As far as I can tell it does nothing. I have tried adjusting it from -24 to +24 from left to right and top to bottom with no apparent effect to pixel alignment. My panels are not too far off, maybe one pixel, but the adjustment does not help at all.

How much movement is everyone else seeing when they make adjustments to the alignment?

Mine is quite easily seen. When I move R to either extreme it becomes a distinct red line in the test pattern, separate from the green line. Recommend aligning R with R/G pattern.

Then do B against G/B pattern

Wow!

My alignment was not terrible before, most adjustments were -3 to +3. But one corner needed V-9. What a difference a little bit of alignment makes.

I have no idea how this secret was found, but the discoverer is owed a beer!

I'd like to have someone with a 5010/6010 chime in and post where all of their dip sw's are set to so we can compare them to the 3010 settings. Is there any hardware difference between the 3010 and the 5010/6010 other then the color of the case? Do they share the same lens or any other parts?

This is an excellent idea. Is there generous 5010 owner who can post all their dip witch settings pleeeeeaaaaasssseeeeeee ?

^^
Post your request on every 5010/6010 or TW9000 owner's threads. I believe they shall post details of these DIPs.

No this sounds normal. I have this same issue with vudu 3d stuff in comparison to a bd. there's just not enough info to go around unless it's all full res from a disc.
Vudu 3d looks good until there is any sort of motion then it drives me crazy.

I am not seeing any movement of the red lines or blue lines at all, I was using the rgb pattern first, then I tried the rg and bg patterns. I was standing a foot from the screen holding a piece of paper in the corner so I could get a real close up look and still did not see any difference. I will try again tonight and see if I have any better results.

I had the same problem. If you have your projector ceiling mounted the yellow square is in the wrong corner, you are adjusting the opposite corner.

I switched my projector to plain front projection, turning the picture upside down. I then held the remote in reverse, facing the projector so that the left/right/up/down buttons were still aligned correctly, then adjusted the lcd alignment. Putting the projector into plain front projection mode corrects the issue and you are now adjusting the alignment in the same corner as the yellow square is showing.

/Linus

I'm beginning to think that this is exactly the case. We need to get to the bottom of this

Thanks, Linus, that worked great! It was a little strange because everything was in reverse, but at least it worked.

I believe that I have the alignment fairly close now, I may go through it again when I have more time. Everything seems crisper and more focused than it was before.

Yes, same on Comcast.

any new discovery on DIP switches or every one is scared to try. I tried DIP-SW 6 and Bit 6 and make it on but i did not have any change in menu.

I was hoping someone would reply in the 5010/6010 thread with their dip switch settings, but it seems nobody is interested. Not very confident in randomly switching them on and off.

I was hoping also, I'm gonna try other forums to see if I can get a response. I'm kinda surprised no one responded in that thread though. To be honest, the temptation of flipping switches is really starting to get to me Haha.

Yep, the 6010 had the same "backward lcd alignment menu operation", when mounted upside down, and the new v104 firmware for the 5010/6010 addressed it.

Posted the DIP settings in the 5010/6010 thread as well. Hope you can follow it.

You get to this information with the remote:
1) Hold down MENU for 8 seconds, release
2) Hit ESC twice
3) A menu of information appears
4) Hold down MENU another 8 seconds, release
5) Hit ESC twice

Now you should be at a screen where you can arrow up and down, and for each DIP switch see the bit settings of that one.

DIP SWITCH SETTINGS Epson 6010 FW v104

O=GREEN X=BLANK

DIP SW1 [BIT0 O/X] [BIT1 X/O] [BIT2 X/O] [BIT3 O/X] [BIT4 X/O] [BIT5 O/X] [BIT6 X/O] [BIT7 O/X]

DIP SW2 [BIT0 O/X] [BIT1 O/X] [BIT2 X/O] [BIT3 X/O] [BIT4 X/O] [BIT5 X/O] [BIT6 X/O] [BIT7 O/X]

DIP SW3 [BIT0 O/X] [BIT1 X/O] [BIT2 X/O] [BIT3 X/O] [BIT4 X/O] [BIT5 O/X] [BIT6 O/X] [BIT7 O/X]

DIP SW4 [BIT0 X/O] [BIT1 O/X] [BIT2 O/X] [BIT3 X/O] [BIT4 X/O] [BIT5 X/O] [BIT6 O/X] [BIT7 O/X]

DIP SW5 [BIT0 O/X] [BIT1 O/X] [BIT2 O/X] [BIT3 O/X] [BIT4 O/X] [BIT5 O/X] [BIT6 O/X] [BIT7 O/X]

DIP SW6 [BIT0 O/X] [BIT1 X/O] [BIT2 O/X] [BIT3 X/O] [BIT4 O/X] [BIT5 X/O] [BIT6 O/X] [BIT7 O/X]

Thanks for posting the dip switch settings! I just got to work so I can't compare them to the 3010 tonight, will check them out tomorrow.