My Epson 3010 projector just arrived! - Page 56

Just curious why do you have both 3010 and 5010 ?

also thanks for confirming that we are not missing out on anything by not going for 5010 Especially with the hidden LCD alignment feature of 3010, the reasons for going to 5010 are far lesser now !

For your Info, the Olympics in 3D here in San Diego

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1386327/2012-olympics-in-3d-from-nbc-panasonic/120#post_22273283

No ghosting or crosstalk on these broadcasts
Edited by catmother - 8/2/12 at 4:57pm

Even though the 3010 doesn't mention the 420hz panels . . . it definitely has them, as does the 5010. I often find that brochures / published specs for many products don't play up the great features that lower end models also have.

Here is a page from Epson with detailed info. about the panels used in the 3010 ... and the panel also chosen for the 5010 and 6010. http://global.epson.com/newsroom/2011/news_20110901.html The right column has the details for the panel for the 3010. As you can see the specs are pretty much identical - expect for the smaller size. I wouldn't be surprised if the smaller size was designed mainly to work effectively with the different optics of the 3010.

But as I mentioned, both the 3010 and 5010 projectors are awesome units.

Ian

I wanted to get a second projector for another room, and I thought that I'd go with the 5010. I love it. But I love the 3010 too. Yes, the blacks are greatly improved when viewing on the 5010 - especially if the source material is good. The 5010 is worth the price if that extra contrast ratio is important - plus getting the lens shift flexibility.

But, the value of the 3010 is a given. It's a great unit, that is very similar to the 5010 in most respects. And if I was given a blind test to see which projector was which (3010 vs. 5010), I'm not sure once the show was running I could tell which unit was projecting. They are both impressive units. 3D and overall brightness, to me, seems about the same. I can't say that the 200 extra lumens of the 5010 is something I notice as being brighter.

Since I don't care that much about frame interpolation or 2D to 3D conversion I would have been happy with a second 3010. But, I did want more placement flexibility in my other room . . . so the 5010 was my choice there due to lens shift. Based on pic quality (other than deeper blacks) it's a close call. The 3010 offers great color and detail and the price is a steal. It's funny, after getting and loving the 5010, I can really appreciate what Epson is offering, at the price point, with all that the 3010 gives. It's an amazing machine.

As for 3D performance . . . it seems pretty much the same between units. Any ghosting the 3010 offers the 5010 shows also. But, it's minimal . . . and as I've mentioned . . . the 3D crosstalk is less with the Epsons than with my Samsung plasma.

Ian

@teeger
This is a lot of useful information! I have always wondered about 3010 Vs 5010. Its great to know of an honest comparison from an actual user.

I was hoping to mount my 3010 in the back of the room on a stand near the ceiling. Is it possible to avoid ceiling mounting or avoid flipping the projector upside down? My goal was to simply place it on a stand in the back of the room and let it work! Any suggestions?

That is how mine is mounted. 15 feet back of the 100 inch screen on a homemade stand on the kitchen counter. The kitchen is part of the family room which is also my HT room.
The stand elevates the 3010 to point at the bottom of the screen so only a slight amount of keystone is needed.

Works so well I am enjoying the 3D Olympics recorded on my Tivo Premiere.
Edited by catmother - 8/4/12 at 8:13am

But it IS upside down, correct???

With no lens shift it has to be.

Ed

No, right side up but let me clarify.
The PJ height is set to aim at the bottom of the screen and I corrected m,y post which mistakenly said center of screen.
This avoids the need for lens shift and keystone correction. It is the recommended position for right side up mounting.
Edited by catmother - 8/4/12 at 8:15am

My 3010 is installed and I was wondering about calibration. I'm way too cheap to pay someone to do it plus I've blown a pile of cash on the projector, screen, and amp upgrade.
Has anyone used the settings over at projectorreviews.com? I thought I could do a quick and dirty calibration by just using their settings. Or should I buy a calibration disc? Would I benefit more by using one of those? I 've never used one. When I got my Samsung LCD 5 years ago I just used the settings that were posted in the official owners thread.

How about buying used X-Rite i1Display 2 Color Calibrator and do calibration yourself ?, i got mine 30€. I dont prefer use their ready settings, if your screen arent with same gain etc. projectors are a bit inviduals..

Gotcha. You had me confused 'cause stevedawg85 wanted it on a stand (shelf?) near the ceiling. In that case it WOULD have to be upside down.

Ed

Anyone updates the 3010's fw yet? I see that mine is 104 but not sure what this new fw would do so i have not tried.

I have on my Canadian/USA model.

The pixel adjustment is now fixed like the 6010 had it fixed.

Of course you have to enable that dip switch in service menu.

As for anything else, not sure!! All seems awesome like before.

I will test more when I have more time. Lol

So I am looking to purchase a 3010 and need some help with the projector calculator. I previously had an epson 8350, placed on a shelf roughly ~21 ft from the screen and roughly ~7 ft off the floor and projecting 150 inch image. The 8350 has lens shift while the 3010 does not.

So my question is will the 3010 work given a throw distance from screen to back of the living-room of 18ft, ceiling height of 9 ft and project an image of 150 inch in either ceiling or shelf mount setup? I would need a ceiling mount that would drop the projector at least a foot from the ceiling to clear that ceiling and fan closer to the screen. If it will work, any recommendations on a ceiling mount? thanks for any advice

I have attached an image showing how I had the 8350 setup. Mind the mess of blankets and mess on the coffee table, I was in the process of cleaning the house.


Edited by khalid7412002 - 8/6/12 at 5:08pm

It looks like it would work



I used the Peerless PPA-W (12.8"-17.3") for mounting.

This quest is for Zombie10 I believe is the name. Have you personally reviewed the 3010. I've gotten a preview at my local Fry's and I see the unit crosstalks alot. have experience this, and can it be eliminated. And how about the 5010?

So I received a new 3010 as a replacement for an 8350 and I gotta say I am not very happy with epson quality control at the moment. Maybe It's me but when other people that I have over comment on a image defective, I feel as though I am not overly picky about wanting an epson projector that just plain works.

I was able to get the projector setup in my current location and placed the projector upside down on some door stoppers, got the idea from Star Wars Guy, post 1110 on page 37. Was able to get it to almost perfectly line up on all sides at 150 inches.

However, I noticed the right side of the image was really soft, almost painful to look at with letters on the screen. the right side is sharp and perfect but the whole left side is very blurry. Even forgoing some sharpness to the right side, I'm still unable to get the left side to a decent sharpness. I am not using any keystone adjustments. What really boggles my mind is that epson quality control was supposed to have inspected this unit before sending it out to make sure it was as perfect as can be, which leads me to believe all they did was turn it on and passed the unit. The auto iris is noticeable now, with 8350 it wasn't, but I can live with that issue. However, the softness is really bothering me and my friends all noticed it as well.

Tomorrow I'll call epson and see if they can eventually send me a projector that works and won't break down eventually. I've gone through 6 8350 units and now 1 3010 that needs to be sent back.

I have attached pictures of the softness in comparison to the right side of the image, which don't really show how bad the convergence is.

In pic 1, look at the difference in removable disk (D) text and removable disk (G) text. Look at the left side text and compare with the right side.

rest of the pics show various text comparisons between left and right side on amazon and other texts.

What do you all think, I am wrong about the softness and did anyone else experience a similar softness requiring a replacement?

Khalid Sahib, i understand that you are using HTPC. I have same setup and noticed this when i first purchased this unit in Jan 2012. However, I also noticed and I became glad that when i playback any BD 2D or 3D, video comes out great, no difference from left or right or right to left, both sides of screen and the middle, all are equally sharp and good. Try playing any BD and see if I am saying right or wrong? No need to call Epson, however, call Epson if you are not happy with its 3D crosstalk or ghosting, but play some IMAX 3D BDs in order to be sue of crosstalk. If you see crosstalk in IMAX movies then your unit has some 3D issue and you can call Epson for replacement. The good thing with Epson warranty is that you may replace your unit as many times as possible until you get satisfied. How is that. Also try LCD alighment as well. You have to study previous pages in order to know how to trigger LCD alignment option in menu.

Hey I am looking to update the firmware on my 3010 and was wondering what OS version you used to update it?

Given that vista/ Windows 7 is not supported, where did you get the driver for the epson projector to be recognized, unless however you used windows XP?

Thanks any help would be greatly appreciated.

Mr. Mankhan, thank you for your comment and suggestions, however, after testing it out during movies, games and general HTPC browsing, the out of focus left side was very noticable so I called epson and they sent a replacement. I haven't had a chance to test the new one but hopefully it will be more a more uniform focus.

The downside is that my new 3010 shows the old firmware whereas the one I sent back had the new firmware. I am now in the process of updating the firmware but it is proving to be very difficult on windows 7 and proper drivers.

Update: Well it looks like I need to send this unit back in as well. The blue is way off all over the screen and no amount of focusing and fine tuning using the LCD alignment is making the problem go away. Everything I watch looks very soft and out of focus.

Onto my third one after a call to epson tomorrow. Wish me luck. I also purchased a benq w7000 to compare to the next 3010 I get and if it see a great difference between the two, I will kindly request a refund and pay the difference for the W7000.

Anyways here are some pics of the menu. Can anyone else post some pics of their menu so that I may compare them to my next one? Thanks in advance



Edited by khalid7412002 - 8/9/12 at 11:32pm

Has anyone had "sparkles" when viewing 3D content?

My 40ft RedMere cable arrived today. I was using a 60ft RedMere cable. I thought the length was the issue. I'm still getting these sparkles with the 40ft. They can be seen on especially dark scenes.
Is it the cable length? Should I use 2 shorter cables and a powered repeater instead of 1 long cable?


2D content was perfect through the 60ft (as is with the 40ft). I think there's less sparkle in 3D with the 40ft vs 60ft.

EDIT:

Ok, after looking around a bit, I don't think these are "sparkles" I'm seeing. Not sure what's going on.

I have some more pics, you can really see it when a scene slowly fades out.


And here's a close-up


I guess I'll need to do some trouble shooting. I think I'll plug the PS3 directly into the projector and take the amp out of the equation as well as the 40ft RedMere cable.
Edited by neveser - 8/10/12 at 6:33pm

With troubleshooting HDMI the first thing you need to do is find out if it is a cabling problem or an equipment problem. Do this by putting all the equipment next to each other and test the system with all SHORT cables, less than 6ft long. I know this is sometimes a pain but it will save a lot of chasing your tail time in the long run.

If the system works with short cables you have a cabling problem plain and simple. Find a solution that will work for your situation, extender, balun, restorer, etc.

If it doesn't work with short cables it is most likely an equipment problem. It could be a bad short cable but that is less likely. Keep the system connected with the short cables and make sure all your firmware/ drivers are up to date. Check all your settings and turn off ones you don't need like deep color or anything greater than 8 bit. And, especially CEC. If it still doesn't work, now is the time to swap equipment about and find the big offender. The last part can sometimes be difficult without instrumentation but you'll have to use trial and error.

When you get the system running with short cables then try the longer ones before you move the equipment. If the long ones work while testing with the equipment next to each other but not when the cable is in the wall you probably have an interference problem. Try to install the longer cable so it is not near anything that might cause the interference or use a solution less prone to interference.

hope this helps.

Thanks for the response, Bob. You did give me a few ideas (deep color, CEC) that I didn't think of.

Well, I turned all that stuff off and ended up plugging the PS3 directly into the projector with a 6ft cable and the blue "stuff" is still there. I don't have another 3D capable player or display device so I guess I'll call Epson to see if they know what's going on or if they have seen this before. I do have 30 days to return this to Best Buy and get another unit. I may end up going that route depending on what Epson has to say.

EDIT:

Something just dawned on me... it must be the projector because I was playing Silent Hill in 3D on my Xbox the other night and there is a section of the game where you go through some mines. You're supposed to use a lighter to navigate (it's dark) and I didn't need to use the lighter because I could see the cave walls due to the distortion. It looked like the walls were glowing blue, which could actually happen in a Silent Hill game, but this was due to the distortion.
Edited by neveser - 8/11/12 at 5:08pm

I just thought I'd follow up on my situation.

I talked to Epson support on Monday and he told me that he's never seen anything like that with the home theater line. I told him I still had like 20 days to take it back to Best Buy and exchange it. He told me to go ahead and do it.

The new unit is fine, no blue stuff with 3D. I also noticed that the auto-iris is much quieter. So far so good.

^^
That's very good. So how is 3D and do you get any ghosting/crosstalk. which 3D BDs you have tried so far?

I got my 3010 back in April and noticed zero ghosting but last week i started seeing a lot of ghosting and i thought it was the movies that i was watching ....... Then i watched a IMAX that i knew had no ghosting and the IMAX blu-ray was showing bad ghosting so i new the projector was screwed up....Anyway i called EPSON and they shipped me a refurb today and low and behold the ghosting was gone I hope this not a regular problem that we will have with 3D projectors....

So this means that ghosting problem appears/worsens in 3010 over time? This is disappointing to know!

well i think this may happen to any first generation 3D LCD projectors but not with everyone's.

Has this happened to anyone else? I was thinking of buying a 3010 but I watch a lot of academy ratio movies. This temporary burn-in thing just might be a dealbreaker for me.