My Epson 3010 projector just arrived! - Page 29

Yeah, come to think of it, I think the fan was high in both settings so that would kill my theory about the bulb.

I think this is a pretty cool way to eek out more lumens !

Infact I wish Epson gave users the ability to tweak the duty cycle and delay setting of the glasses just like the Monstervision RF glasses (that HD33 uses)

this is such as slam dunk solution to end the debate about LCD's ghosting compared to DLP...with proper tweak of timing of the shutter glasses with respect the frame, one can guarantee ZERO ghosting in LCD as well...sure the picture may dim, but heck 3010 blows the DLP's out of water in the lumen department

Well, I finally pulled the trigger and picked up my 3010 last night. First impressions are amazing and I'm only projecting onto a beige wall until my screen arrives! Brightness is awesome and detail is on par with any television on the market that I have seen. Again, this is on a textured beige wall too! The colours are amazing and just jumping off the wall! On lighter colours, you can see the texture of the wall and all it's imperfections but I was shocked to see the colour accuracy even though its a beige wall.

As a noob to projectors, maybe I don't have anything to compare to but I have to say I am thoroughly impressed. Colours were vibrant right out of the box.

I tried playing a variety of games last night and while the lag is somewhat noticeable on some games, I would say its not enough of a deterrence. There are some games on PS3 that have lag anyways. The size and colours more than make up for it. I played Tiger Woods 2012, NHL 09, Resistance 3, Gran Turismo and Wipeout HD. All these titles had a split second of lag but did not ruin the experience at all. In fact, if I weren't looking for it, I doubt I would've noticed. I read some reports about Wipeout being especially bad but I came in first on one of the end levels and I haven't played it in over a year. The colours on that game are mind-blowing with this projector.

Maybe I'm not as critical of it because of my lack of experience with other PJ's but if you compare to any other TV on the market, you're laughin!

Gotta get me some HDMI tonight to test out that 3D!

good to know. Enjoy. What size "screen" are you projecting?

I'm projecting at 106" right now (The size my screen will be.)

Are you able to do a Rock Band input lag test, or at least take pictures of the 3010 against another monitor?

I'm still wondering if my 3010, that had some other issues, might have been more laggy than the rest.

welcome to 3010-brotherhood

wait till you see it in action on a screen (consider getting gray if you have ambient light or if you dont have a bat cave to improve blacks)

BTW you dont need any special hdmi for 3D

if your AV is not 3d-ready, just connect PS3 to PJ directly and PS3 to AV via optical.....

if you care about HD-audio, upgrade your AV or get a dual HDMI bluray player like samsung6700 (which has the best 2D->3D) conversion or Panasonic bd310 (which has crappy 2D->3D but you get free Avatar 3D disc)

also reset your PS3 so it can detect the PJ as a "3DTV" and set screen size

and be prepared to be blown away ! Have som tissues ready on hand as you will have tears of joy when playing Uncharted 3 in 2D or 3D or when you see your 3D movies are vibrant with color and brightness

very easy to find out...go to nearest bestbuy and get anew one or get it on Amazon

Easy for you, perhaps. After having two of them in the past month already, my wife has made it clear what I'm not to do.

Besides, that's not nearly as easy (or as cheap) as asking a variety of other people who already have one hooked up to run the same test.

Haha thanks!

The screen I have on order is a 0.8 gain Accuscreen High-Contrast Gray Screen. Should do the trick I presume! Just picked up a 1.4 Hdmi cable that was on sale for Cyber Week so I now have 3D capabilities. (I was using hd-composite cable before.)

I am looking forward to it. I only have Gran Turismo, Resistance 3 and Wipeout HD to test it on tonight. I will start to collect some movie titles soon though. I'm not even going to bother trying to calibrate this thing until I've got the screen though. 7-10 business day, ugh.

Sorry, I don't have Rock Band. And as a total noob here, I am unsure what you mean by taking pictures vs another monitor?

where do you get the screen ?

dont forget to try many 3D demos on PSN: Sonic (there are 2 playable sections...the one to right is a jawdropper), Motrstorm (there are 2 of them), Happyfeet, GOW-collection and whole bunch of 3D trailers....

Right now i am playing UC3, as always mind boggling visuals in 2D and 3D adds some great depth.

There's a thread on it which I need to bookmark, but this is what I did. Download a program on your PC/Mac that shows time with milliseconds. Plug the projector into your computer so that both displays show the same display.

Using high speed photography (about 800 ISO is fine) take a picture of both displays at the same time. Look at the picture. Usually the PJ will have an earlier time on it, because the current time hasn't been displayed yet. The difference between the two times (take several pictures to make sure you're getting consistent numbers) is the difference in input lag between the two screens.

The problem is that you're comparing one unknown to another. You can only then say what the difference between them is and not the actual lag in one or the other. But it still helps. Defiancecp's 3010 was 60 ms slower than his PC display. My 3010 was 78 ms slower than my Dell laptop. It's possible my 3010 was slower than his... or my laptop display is faster than his PC display...

That's why I prefer the Rock Band test. Less variance in the equipment in use, I think.

My 3010 arrived today...and I must say that out of the box ...in a Bat Cave ...with a 170" wide screen ...fixed the screen size, and focus...and.. BAM.......WOW.....just a stunning picture.....I'm very impressed.!!!!!!!!!!!
Have not seen 3D yet......have a 3D Blu-Ray coming.....so....we'll see.
Now, if I could find some tweak settings.......here on the forum, and dial it in real tight.
Someone had Calibration setting for the 8700ub I believe........so will wait for the 3010 settings.
So........very glad I decided on the Epson 3010

I will do that. I have to say, Gran Turismo was mind-blowing in 3D. Its already a visually stunning game but wow, 3D adds to it like crazy. The brightness is great. Colours still pop. 3D actually makes the graphics better on it.

I'm lookin forward to UC3. UC2 was one of my favorite games on PS3 to begin with.

As for the screen, its on order from Costco.

Hello,

I am on my second 3010. Overall I am happy with the projector but I am not sure if I am expecting too much or if my projector has some growing issues. I am projecting onto a Vutec lectric III 110" 16:9 screen. I have the projector lens at about 9.5" from the ceiling and the screen top is 9.5" from the ceiling as well. For some reason I am not able to fill the entire screen. I have a space of about 1 inch at the top and bottom of the screen. If I zoom out to fill those areas then it runs off the left and right sides into the masking. The projector is centered horizontally and is level vertically but I still have to use keystone correction to square out the bottom of the screen. I think I have everything setup correctly but I am not sure.

My other issue I have is the focus. My PS3 menu screen looks a bit blurry to me. Particularly the text doesn't quite seem as sharp as I think it should be. I have went into the sharpness and changed it to advanced and made changes but the results aren't too spectacular. Text from the computer hdmi running to the projector is also a bit fuzzy to me. I am running everything through my rx-a2000 receiver and I have all video processing turned off.

When I first installed the replacement projector everything seemed to be exceeding my expectations but now it seems as though I can't get the same sharpness and clarity that I once had. I have tried to adjust the zoom and focus and I have already contacted Epson about the issue. They offered to send out a new projector but they do not have one in stock to send me.

I fully realize this is an entry level projector and I am just wondering if I am expecting too much or if I have another flaky projector?

I've noticed that some text doesn't look right on as well. The best way to align it I've found, is to open up the PJ menu screen and ensure it looks focused there. So far, I've attributed the lack of focus on some text to either the source on TV or my beige wall. Once I get my screen I'll be able to comment further on that. On PS3, it seems pretty crisp to me but then minutes later on a game menu screen, it appears a little off.

FYI - my first 3010 looked great until I adjusted the zoom to a larger screen. Could never get it to look focused. Then discovered at other zoom levels (smaller or larger) at times the same thing would happen. Looking at the lens carefully, found three small "divets" in it (apparently on the inside).

Took it back and got a new 3010 which does NOT have these issues at all. Convergence isn't perfect on it, but still very acceptable (and only viewable about 12" from the screen, with a 160" screen now). I'm projecting on a (not perfectly painted) wall for now, so that might be part of what I'm seeing now.

But overall the new 3010 is infinitely better, and I'm very happy with it.

Not sure about why you're not able to fill the 16:9 screen properly. I'd suggest putting a level on the projector (note that this isn't perfect as the top of the projector I don't think is 100% flat). What I actually did was level the ceiling mount first (bottom where the PJ attaches) and ensure the ceiling mount was tight, then when I attached the projector I leveled again.

So my screen looked perfectly rectangular, and I believe fit withing 16x9 (since I'm projecting onto a wall, I'd need to measure to be sure, but I believe last time I did it was fine). This was when I was planning on a 120" screen. Now that I'm up to 160, I actually had to turn the projector slightly to the left to now project on the side wall, so I have a bit of keystoning (expected). I plan on remounting the projector about 6" to the left to eliminate the need for this eventually (more holes in the ceiling and patch the existing ones). :-)

Question for 3010 owners...I was watching some HD hockey last night and for the first time, noticed the colours seems a little washed. (Presumably because of all the white on the picture from the ice.) Once the camera zoomed in and jersey's were the focus, the vibrant colour returned. Any suggestions for settings that would minimize that white-wash? I will be watching a LOT of HD hockey so it'd be nice to figure it out!

yes i do the same, i use a camcorder to zoom in on the menu and make fine adjustments to foucs to get it perfect....my text on PS3 and PC looks sharp

Is your screen 16:9?
Are you sending a 16:9 signal?
Movies often comes with wider formats that will produces the black stripes that you're seeing on the 16:9 screen.
The PJ AND the Screen must BOTH be level. The PJ's beam must be perpendicular (horizontally and vertically) to the screen.
Set your PS3 to send a 1920x1080P resolution and don't use keystone, use the lens shift instead. Using differents resolutions and keystone both will give you blurry images.

No lens shift on the 3010

What color is your ceiling wall and floor? Is it possible it is reflected light from the room?

Really Falafala, perfect? How is your convergence? If it is not spot on then it will never be as good in sharpness as the 33 you returned, and if you are honest you will admit this to yourself. What I am saying is you will have a well focused soft image. Just walk up to the screen and have a look. We have had some fun here poking around between DLP and 3LCD but the bottom line is that single chip PJs are sharper. I have viewed both side by side. No contest. As a matter of fact, even perfect convergence 3LCD units do not have the same pop of a good DLP unit. That is the way it is and we have seen enough reviews of this to accept that. I am not trying to bust you out here. I am just trying to point out to folks looking that there is quite a difference between DLP and 3LCD images. If you prefer a filmlike (soft) image, get a 3LCD. If you want a sharp popping image, get a good DLP. Does that mean 3LCD units are inferior? Absolutely not, I have a Epson 8350 that I am very happy with. That is until I compare the image from it to a DLP one side by side. I should never have done that. Game over for me.

Now this post is not to start an argument with falafala. It is meant for potential shoppers. Art called the 9500 a good home entertainment PJ yet said nothing like that about the 3010 which is a light cannon that cannot be tamed. I suppose it is just awesome in a home theater then. Not really but he did not say that either. If you cannot figure out why then I will never tell you because I have felt the wrath here. Yes, as far as I know the 3010 has the brightest 3d of the PJs to this point according to Art. That is it. How bright does it need to be and at what expense?

Just pointing out some observations for potential buyers. Epson has a good 3d PJ with the 3010 at a good price. There are also other options. Art said all I needed the hear about it when he and PC both said that if you do not need 3d, the 8350 is a better PJ for 2d than the 3010. Well I have that unit. It is not as good as my DLP TV which looks just like the 9500 and a few other DLP units. If I can get a 120" image as good as my DLP TV I will be in hog heaven. So make your choice. Either one is fine, though I prefer one tech over the other.

I favor DLP in the budget realms as well, but once you get over $1500 and get good convergence, it becomes a much bigger game of trade offs when it comes to DLP vs. LCD, especially for RBE sensitive people and when you factor in dark scenes.

I had a Sanyo z4000 with very good convergence running split-screen against a Mits hc4000 for about 100 hours.

At this point, the added sharpness of a DLP is very very minimally beneficial in movies, it mostly only helps VERY specific content where sharpness can be seen (think water hitting rocks and splashing into particles).

In the HBO series "Game of Thrones" for instance, the Sanyo z4000 was the better projector over the Mits hc4000, it just had so much better contrast when it counted, and in 90% of scenes in this episode the two projectors looked identical sharpness-wise other than the contrast favoring the Sanyo. I have had 3+ projectors side-by-side at times.

Where LCD has a little trouble is very bright scenery shots, it tends to not look as natural, it's partly sharpness but it's partly due to the SDE fill. As soon as that scene gets even back to say normal brightness, the difference shrinks greatly and goes from sort of noticeable to stare at with an eagle-eye for 5 minutes. It doesn't even have to be evening time darkness, I am talking about anything not like noon-time in the sun on the beach, DLP still wins those super bright scenes. In these type of scenes the wider pixel gap of LCD is more visible (not SDE perse, but just a rougher look to it), but movies rarely have shots this bright, only occasionally. Most shots are more like 4pm brightness levels instead of noon-time.

The thing about LCD is it is still going to still have trouble with certain types of scenes vs. DLP, but not very many for movies. In many movies, I would have favored the LCD over the DLP, certainly not all, but probably more than 50%.
The Sanyo has much better blacks than the 8350 though, and it's also a tad sharper.

Other then very specific type of closeups of scenery type stuff or very detailed things, the difference isn't huge if you get an LCD with really good convergence, but it's still there. This was a very fair comparison, because I compared one of the sharpest LCD projectors to one of the sharper DLP projectors.

Mike

although its very obvious from your wording what you seem to be accusing me of, i will give you benefit of doubt and keep my response simple

go back and read every message i posted comparing 3010 with HD33 (did you even read my elaborate comparison thread ?) and you will see that i have been nothing but honest in calling out the pros and cons of both technologies from my perspective.....note i dont get paid by anyone in preferring one over other......my only incentive is to pick the one that i will be happy with in the long run !

not sure what made you think that my simple sentence "yes i do the same, i use a camcorder to zoom in on the menu and make fine adjustments to foucs to get it perfect....my text on PS3 and PC looks sharp" implies that LCD is sharper than DLP ? i was just responding to other poster who felt his text was blurry and i was assuring him that on my unit the text to be sharp....wonder how you concluded that i am saying its better than HD33 ?

do your homework, read my comments and you will see my honest observations including a post with photos showing close up shot of text

i know you are good at creating controversy and i am all for a fair debate rather than accusations.

I have a lot of respect for coderguy for his very well informed posts....thanks for adding your insightful observations

As one can read of my HD33 initial posts, my jaw dropped looking at the sharpness of 1080p DLP (my previous PJ was 720p)....when I switched 3010, I was initially very concerned about if I will miss the DLP sharpness, but in teh end I came to similar conclusion as you are saying where I felt that LCD-look is just as gratifying as DLP-look. But again thats just me.

But i can also add that I have less strain on my eyes watching LCD vs DLP even though 3010 is alot brighter. Also I dont notice any screendoor on LCD as much as I saw on DLP in brigt scenes....if anything LCD has a nice uniformity where pixels gracefully blend with neighbors giving a uniform film-like image as opposed to clear screen-door effect I saw on DLP (more so in my HD66 which was 720p where each pixel is a big square.... albeit well focused)

It just depends what you like to watch. I was watching a lot of those scenery type disks at the time, and those really do favor DLP.

To remind myself of the differences, I threw in "The Universe" series which needs higher contrast, and the Sanyo z4000 LCD killed the Mits hc4000 DLP on this Bluray. You don't get one winning all the time over the other, now if you took a higher-end DLP, it probably would win more-so, but then again if you compared with the Epson 8700ub, you'd probably find similar issues. The Epson 8700ub would win for movies probably more than 50% of the time even vs. some fairly high-end DLP's, whereas the DLP would win in everything else.

Take a scenery DVD like "Hawaii: An Island Symphony", and the Mits hc4000 kills the Sanyo. For general TV, I favor DLP too, but it still depends. I don't think anyone would have said the DLP looked better on "The Universe" series. The LCD had it smoked on this series.

For movies, it's a total mix, it totally depends on the scene to which one will look better at which time, it varies a lot.

Although it is not just about DLP vs. LCD either, it is also about the specific projector, so I cannot speak to every comparison of every DLP vs. every LCD, but this at least gave me a baseline (a Sanyo z4000 vs. a Mits hc4000).

dont worry, i will not argue but will discuss

your above statement is ridiculous...are you saying 3010 is too bright to handle and somehow that make it inferior to a dimmer DLP ? let me say this, you can easily "tame" it using a ND2 filter OR even better use it to improve daylight viewing or blacks on a gray screen.

And if you are a 3D fan (anyone looking at these PJ's should be, else they are paying for an unwanted feature) you will realize that along with good-cross-talk performance you need as many lumens as you can get in 3D to enjoy. I didnt realize this till I saw 3010 vs HD33....some moves and games are so dark on my new HD33 that I had to switch to 2D mode !

I know you are a bit let down by Art not giving 9500 Best PJ Award and that its dimmer than you expected in 3D

And it should be mentioned that LCD is easier on the eyes than DLP, not by a huge amount, but for some that are sensitive to DLP eye-strain or RBE (or both), it can have a big effect on eye strain. There are trade-offs, as there really is no absolutely superior projector technology, all three have ups and downs (LCOS, DLP, and LCD).

I think DLP would be superior if they could get the native contrast a bit higher, because then you'd have the better of all worlds (except eye-strain), but it's not going to happen.

Now people reading this should not misunderstand what I'm saying, I still have generally preferred DLP overall to LCD in the sub-$1500 market, especially for gaming, but it's certainly not cut and dry. An LCD with higher native contrast is still better for darker games even if the DLP wins in others games or in some cases.

Just because someone prefers DLP over LCD does not make them right or wrong, it still is loaded with trade-offs.

I'm not going to choose a winner or loser for the 3010 over the hd33.
I have seen the Epson 3010 and the Optoma HD20, but not the Optoma hd33.
I have seen none of them in 3D mode.

The contrast readings are a bit conflicting, but the Optoma hd33 seems to be a little higher in contrast. Without having compared them myself, that is about all I can say really.