Originally Posted by Raul GS
Now that Lexicon has dumped the MP-20,
Dumped? Boy, you should get a job, running negative campaigns for politicians.
... it seems the only way to gain access to ARCOS is the SDEC. Although a great tool, one problem many users will have with the SDEC is that the end-user can never measure/calibrate the system him or herself;
I am pretty sure Trinnov in this thread is the same. Dan, can you please confirm?
i.e. it is my understanding from your prior posts that the end user cannot purchase the necessary mics to measure the room. So every time an end-user makes a change to the system, he or she will be forced to contact the dealer (assuming the dealer is still around and has the mics, otherwise they will have to set it up through JBL) and the dealer will come in and charge a calibration fee.
That is true but a good system gets the job done the first time. Since we set up our reference theater, we have felt no need to change it at all. You can have multiple settings programmed while the dealer/calibrator is there and then switch between them.
Although a good practice (having a professional do a calibration), for many end-users that is a non-starter.
Keep in mind that you can seriously damage your system using any of these tools. Just because you have a graph and you can pull things up and down doesn't mean you should. Even dealers have damaged speakers using these systems.
That said, let me mention that if you work with a competent dealer that Harman trusts, you can have much more flexibility than this. Specifically, if someone falls in the serious enthusiast category and likes to play indefinitely, work with your dealer and arrangements can be made to accommodate it. We have done this in one occasion and are able to do it again if needed.
With Trinnov and Datasat they could run an auto-calibrate (which Dan spoke highly of) and compare the changes.
Compare what changes? And why won't you do this while your dealer is present?
Not only that but the end-user also has a sense of the house curve he or she likes and he or she could try and implement it after Trinnov or Datasat does its thing.
If the process is slow, it can be time consuming as Dan mentioned. You can't possibly tell me in one breath that you like to mess with the system but then in the next breath say you are perfectly OK with a non-real-time system. This is why I say you can do this quickly with your dealer present. Many settings can be tried very quickly with JBL Synthesis.
PS JapanDave is right, your post reads more like a poor attempt at advertising rather than discussing the matters at hand (Trinnov and Dirac Live).
If I thought you and Dave were honest judges of how these conversations go, I would lose some sleep but I hope you excuse me for not
. That said, I finally got to hear Dirac again and this time it was a far better experience than what they did at CEDIA. This was at the Theta suite at CES so I can share my experience with that here.
They had it nicely set up and switched back and forth for me so I could hear with or without correct (Datasat folks would not do that at CEDIA). The system worked very well. No comparison to what Datasat had done at CEDIA. Despite the system being very high end, the improvements were apparent and considerable. The graph showed massive low frequency aberrations prior to correction as expected and resolving that showed that the system is a very capable room EQ.
I also sat through the demo of the software. It was very simple to use. I shot a video of it that I will upload later to WBF.
The hardware option is due to ship in April I think.
As they rightly said, it is the best $4K you can spend to improve the sound of your system. If you have a Theta processor, it is a must have upgrade in my opinion.
Here is a shot of the suite. More later on WBF:
And terrible shot of the PC running the software: