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post #301 of 564
Thanks, Wolfgang. You nailed it. That's the problem. For some reason, my system seems to think that the Blu-ray burner has a CD in it, even though it doesn't. What I think is happening is that Vegas sees the drive as active in another application and removes it from consideration. When I connect a second, external Blu-ray burner, Vegas recognizes it and all is good.

So, the problem is probably a simple Windows issue, and I need to figure out how to reconfigure the drive slightly so this doesn't happen. Changing how autoplay works may fix it, but I'm not sure that's the root of this problem. Any suggestions?
post #302 of 564
Yep, setting the drive not to "Autoplay" a CD fixed the problem. Vegas is happy. I still don't understand why my system thinks there's an Audio CD in this drive. I didn't load this system up with much software, to try to avoid this sort of thing. Has anyone run into this before?
post #303 of 564
Many thanks, Wolfgang. As usual, this forum gets results much faster than the official channels. I'm going to leave my question active with Sony, just to see how long it takes them to get back to me.
post #304 of 564
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Originally Posted by Wolfgang S. View Post

To my opinion we have here two bugs - the one from Joe and yours. I have forewared both the the development team of Vegas...

I think that there is a chance that they will fix that but I cannot promise anything - have no feedback yet.

The fix for the copy/past point is hard, if you do it manually. Could be better done with a script that adjusts every clip to 3D. But I have not the capability to write that.

Do we know why Vegas even requires a Blu-ray drive to be present to burn an iso file? Perhaps some strange licensing issue?
post #305 of 564
Thread Starter 
To my opinion, this is a bug that they could correct - that you cannot create an ISO if there is no burner available.

In the old days this function was designed to burn direct to disk. They added the capability to create an ISO to. But with 3D BD they have taken out the capability to burn to disc in a direct way - is a licensing issue as far as I know. So and now it becomes more obvious that - if there is no burner recognizes by the system - Vegas will not create an ISO.

What is NOT a bug is that Vegas does not see your burner as long if the system does not see the burner. That is something strange by your drive or your system.
post #306 of 564
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Originally Posted by Wolfgang S. View Post

To my opinion, this is a bug that they could correct - that you cannot create an ISO if there is no burner available.

In the old days this function was designed to burn direct to disk. They added the capability to create an ISO to. But with 3D BD they have taken out the capability to burn to disc in a direct way - is a licensing issue as far as I know. So and now it becomes more obvious that - if there is no burner recognizes by the system - Vegas will not create an ISO.

What is NOT a bug is that Vegas does not see your burner as long if the system does not see the burner. That is something strange by your drive or your system.

My system has seen the drive all along. It's always shown up in Windows Explorer, even when it did not in Vegas. Once, even Vegas recognized the drive, but after I closed Vegas and restarted it, the drive was gone.
post #307 of 564
Thread Starter 
That is interesting - because that means that it is a Vegas issue really. I never heard that Vegas disables a drive...
post #308 of 564
Even more interesting now. I left for the day and when I got back, I had the same problem. So, I reconnected the external burner once again. Still didn't work. Arggghhh!!! I'm back to square one.
post #309 of 564
Hello
How to make a 3D project in AVCHD above - below 1920x2160
with AC3 surround sound
I found that AVCHD 1920x1080 - above - below - 50%
Escusez I am French and I use Google Translation
thanks
cordially
Jacques
post #310 of 564
Quick Question...

Is Vegas Pro the only product in the family that support higher resolution like 1920X2160?

This is for Sony TD-10 MVC conversion.
post #311 of 564
Hello Blindmannex

I have a sony TD10 and I search the best quality with the ability to make basic corrections.

I know Vegas Pro, Magix Video Deluxe MX, and Cyberlink PowerDirector 10
The goal is to find a way to make a Blu ray compatible 2D and 3D.

Have the best possible quality
This is why I favor, is my level - Amateur - Pro and Vegas PD for 10 BR3D menus.

There are other programs that I have not tried - Adobe CS5 - Edius

For now Magix, malgr├ęs that one is forced to hack to make corrections, I can get a 1280x2160 file in Dolby 5.1

I have not found yet for Vegas pro.

By cons Cyberlink PowerDirector is the top 10 to make BR3D reader compliant 2D and 3D.
The problem is that the correction module is limited - no rotation correction

In my case, Vegas Pro files with the Handycam TD10, it crashes too souvent.Je do not know why this happens with different machine.

If I can reconcile Vegas and Cyberlink PD 10 I'd be the happiest man

Voila, I was talkative, and I do not know if Google has translated

cordially
Jacques
post #312 of 564
Jaques- Read my posts earlier in this thread. I posted instruction on how to do editing in Vegas Pro 3D and render output top / bottom plus 5.1 audio and import to Power Director 10 for authoring 3D BluRay and in DTS 5.1 audio.
post #313 of 564
Thank you Don Landis

I will search all messages

cordially
Jacques Mariaud
post #314 of 564
Don Landis

I found but be two separate files and compile Videos 1920x2160 sound separately in .5.1
for power the adjust in PD 10 - and get the BR3D from PD10

thanks
Jacques Mariaud
post #315 of 564
Yes, I do 2 separate renderings to get 5.1 sound. The reason is the codec for top /bottom size file doesn't permit 5.1 sound. If all you need is stereo, one video rendering will work.
post #316 of 564
Don Landis

I tested a German software "Magix Pro"
It can do 1920x2160 AC3 5.1 in
But when I placed the file on the timeline of PD10 and is rendering AVCHD - 3D - I interfacts of the final file.
This is why I wanted to try with Vegas Pro
Yet in "make AVCHD 1920x1080 - over / under - 50% - the surround is accepted

Thank you again for the advice
cordially
Jacques
post #317 of 564
What I do works. Doing a separate audio rendering is fast and easy to sync up in PD10.
Just be sure to disable the stereo file on the video in PD10 before rendering your final BD. You only use the stereo file to match up the 5.1 wav file.
post #318 of 564
I believe I"ve discovered why Vegas wasn't seeing my Blu-ray drive. Seems it doesn't like Virtual Clone Drive. On a hunch, I uninstalled VCD and Vegas was fine. It even survived a couple of reboots. I use VCD to mount iso files, but looks like I'll need to find another utility to do that. Any suggestions?
post #319 of 564
This is ironic. I now have a great workflow for my JVC TD1 files. I edit and do convergence and color correction in Edius. They've made it so easy. I then export the file as a high quality 1080/60i Canopus 3D video. That goes into Vegas 11, which does a great job of de-interlacing the video to 1080/24p for the Blu-ray 3D. It works beautifully. The only problem is that the Edius 3D public trial is almost over and I'll be without it for what looks like a couple of months. If I want to edit the JVC files between now and Edius' final release, I'm back to the old workflow from last year. Bummer.

The good thing is that between now and then, I'll be shooting with the Panasonic Z10000 at 24p. I won't have to worry about converting from 60i to 24p in those projects.
post #320 of 564
Mine expired already Joe, wish they released another trial until it comes out. I love it!
post #321 of 564
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I believe I"ve discovered why Vegas wasn't seeing my Blu-ray drive. Seems it doesn't like Virtual Clone Drive. On a hunch, I uninstalled VCD and Vegas was fine. It even survived a couple of reboots. I use VCD to mount iso files, but looks like I'll need to find another utility to do that. Any suggestions?

I use DVD FAB virtual drive and it coexists with my internal BD drives and Vegas no problem. It's a free utility.

Joe- guess what? I won another copy of Vegas Pro on Monday. .
post #322 of 564
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

I use DVD FAB virtual drive and it coexists with my internal BD drives and Vegas no problem. It's a free utility.

Joe- guess what? I won another copy of Vegas Pro on Monday. .

Congrats! How did you like NAB?

Daemon Tools Lite also works with my iso files, and it's free, too. VCD worked with Vegas 10, so it may be something else in combination with VCD on the new system. Regardless, it's working, so I'm happy.
post #323 of 564
Don,

I'm going to give DVDFab virtual drive a try. Daemon Tools Lite works well, except that when used with PowerDVD 12, PDVD doesn't recognize the iso files created by Vegas. It has no problem with commercial 3D Blu-ray rips, but it balks at Vegas iso files. It's always something.
post #324 of 564
Now that I've spent a considerable amount of time getting my systems working well in terms of hardware and software, I'm trying to keep them very "clean" - no extraneous junk software. Last night, I loaded some of my old tools (codec packs, MVCtoAVI, a couple of other things) onto my main rig and immediately started experiencing crashes and instability in Vegas.

I'm not blaming any one piece of software for the problem, but I decided to roll the system back. It will slow my progress, but I'm waiting for Edius 3D (hopefully in July). Together with Vegas, it provides a near perfect workflow solution for me, because it handles my JVC files without the need for conversion to an intermediate format. Once I export the finished project to an Edius' Canopus 60i 3D file, Vegas converts it to a 3D Blu-ray iso really fast with the Intel 3930 system - about 60% of run time. I think the fact that I'm working with an editing system that uses all SSDs (system disk, scratch discs, rendering disks) makes a big difference. Hard drives are no longer a bottleneck on that system.
post #325 of 564
Joe- one of the things I heard at NAB was to switch to SSD for project building. This came from a AMD rep. I asked him if the new Fire Pro was what I need to preview two MVC files in dissolve in real time. I still get quite a bit of frame rate slowdown. He suggested I keep my 4TB raid 0 but add a 500Gb or adequate size SSD to just store my MVC source video and veg file. Then add the Fire Pro and he guaranteed I would be able to view a two track of MVC files non stop in real time. That is full best preview too. it's on my list of changes to make ASAP.
post #326 of 564
Which FirepPro card are you considering? Right now, I'm using a GeForce 560 2GB card for my main editing rig. I'll wait for your report about the FirePro. I'm also curious about what happens if you add convergence correction to one or both clips, along with a dissolve. If a FirePro gives real time performance for an MVC dissolve and simultaneous convergence control, it's a no-brainer.
post #327 of 564
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Which FirepPro card are you considering? Right now, I'm using a GeForce 560 2GB card for my main editing rig. I'll wait for your report about the FirePro. I'm also curious about what happens if you add convergence correction to one or both clips, along with a dissolve. If a FirePro gives real time performance for an MVC dissolve and simultaneous convergence control, it's a no-brainer.

AMD suggested I first get all my source video on an SSD before upgrading my graphics card. I will be considering the 5900 since I'm only driving two monitors but only after I test the SSD.
post #328 of 564
Thread Starter 
Why do we think that a fast SSD will improve the MVC-playback in a significant way? I mean, the file size is still small compared to other codecs, the bandwidth should not be an issue really?

Maybe it is right that it helps really - but I wonder myself why it should help?
post #329 of 564
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Originally Posted by Wolfgang S. View Post

Why do we think that a fast SSD will improve the MVC-playback in a significant way? I mean, the file size is still small compared to other codecs, the bandwidth should not be an issue really?

Maybe it is right that it helps really - but I wonder myself why it should help?

Same here but they seemed to think there was more to the story than just a raid0 pair of drives. The drives still need to seek the file. They felt the SSD was instant. I understand there is a test utility that can determine whether the frames are being bottle necked at the drive or processor and when I get home I will be tracking that down before spending any money on the hardware.
post #330 of 564
I haven't run any formal tests, but anecdotal evidence on my two i7 systems seems to suggest that the all-SSD system is faster than the one with striped hard drives. It's not something I would have predicted, Wolfgang, because (as you say) the MVC file sizes are small. I have 3x 7200rpm drives in RAID0, and they're plenty fast, but the SSD system seems to free up the CPU for faster rendering. The SSD system shows much higher CPU utilization during rendering than the HDD system.

That said, I'm still doubtful any current GPU (workstation or not) can accelerate MVC adequately enough to get the kind of fluid real time playback we've gotten used to with standard AVCHD files. I've suspected for some time that the GPU makers are going to have to add hardware support for MVC to do that. But that's just my conjecture. I'd be delighted to be proved wrong.
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