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post #511 of 569
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Originally Posted by John dhein View Post

The whole reason the newspaper lady is "stuck" out here is because she got caught sticking her tongue into someone else' honey pot. So, yes they were "sleeping together" in the common venacular. And Miss tattooed chin just might prefer to swing that way, too, I strongly suspect.

I remember Durant had some dirt on her, but couldn't remember what it was. At any rate, that scene was too brief, and they were too fully clothed, to jump to any conclusions yet.
post #512 of 569
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I remember Durant had some dirt on her, but couldn't remember what it was. At any rate, that scene was too brief, and they were too fully clothed, to jump to any conclusions yet.

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Originally Posted by John dhein View Post

The whole reason the newspaper lady is "stuck" out here is because she got caught sticking her tongue into someone else' honey pot. So, yes they were "sleeping together" in the common venacular. And Miss tattooed chin just might prefer to swing that way, too, I strongly suspect.
I think the newspaper lady was somewhat forced to do what she did in Boston by possibly Horace Greeley's daughter, and then Greeley got wind of it and shipped her to the hinterlands. As for Eva, I thinks she just needs love and at this point isn't too particular where she gets it. Maybe I'm naïve, but I'm hoping they just shared a bed and not each other.

Didn't Bohannon and the newspaper lady share a rather passionate kiss the night of the dance a few weeks ago?
post #513 of 569
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I think the newspaper lady was somewhat forced to do what she did in Boston by possibly Horace Greeley's daughter, and then Greeley got wind of it and shipped her to the hinterlands. As for Eva, I thinks she just needs love and at this point isn't too particular where she gets it. Maybe I'm naïve, but I'm hoping they just shared a bed and not each other.

Didn't Bohannon and the newspaper lady share a rather passionate kiss the night of the dance a few weeks ago?

He kissed her, but she told him she likes ladies instead and they showed her as not interested. It definitely was not a kiss of passion/something more happening.
post #514 of 569
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He kissed her, but she told him she likes ladies instead and they showed her as not interested. It definitely was not a kiss of passion/something more happening.
Hmmm... thanks for the update.
post #515 of 569
Okay, the newspaper lady (Louise) is a lesbian. But she's also the moral, upstanding equivalent to Bohannan, and she's not going to exploit Eva. Loved it when Bohannan confessed to Elam he didn't, in fact, free his slaves before the war. Makes his spiritual redemption more meaningful, and puts their friendship on more solid ground.

Season finale next week! And the reunification with the Swede, who's integrated himself into the Mormon community, as we figured. His dastardly days are numbered, by golly.

Elam will see the UP line gets to Cheyenne in time; great speech rallying the troops. Looks like another season is a possibility (fingers crossed). Don't know what the ratings have been. But you figure 'Low Winter Sun' is probably a goner, so it's certainly possible HoW might get another reprieve. I'd sure like to see them get one more to finish the series properly both dramatically and historically.
post #516 of 569
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Looks like another season is a possibility (fingers crossed). Don't know what the ratings have been. But you figure 'Low Winter Sun' is probably a goner, so it's certainly possible HoW might get another reprieve. I'd sure like to see them get one more to finish the series properly both dramatically and historically.

HoW is attracting about 2 million viewers in its Saturday night timeslot. I believe it garnered around 2.4 million on Sunday's last year. At #2 or#3 for the night behind college football and some Nickelodean show I don't know that AMC could expect more.
post #517 of 569
I'm a fan. Can't wait to see what happens in the finale!
post #518 of 569
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Originally Posted by UGAd13 View Post

I'm a fan. Can't wait to see what happens in the finale!

I'm with you. Most curious to see if Swede lives to see another season.
post #519 of 569
Wow. I thought that was about the most disappointing finale to a season (series?) ever. I can't really think of anything about it that I liked, except Mickey.

If there is another season, I'd bet big money that there will be a death during childbirth.
post #520 of 569
I wouldn't say it was disappointing, simply because I had pretty low expectations. But it sure was a real snooze.
post #521 of 569
What a let down.
post #522 of 569
The impossible becomes possible...........

As things come full circle.
post #523 of 569
Wasn't the ending I was expecting, but it was different and I didn't think it was that bad, it certainly was different than the norm.
post #524 of 569
I thought Hell on Wheels got worse and worse as the season plodded on. I can't imagine the show will be renewed but then The Killing got renewed, twice. If this show is renewed I have yet to make up my mind whether I will watch it.
post #525 of 569
I can't decide if shooting the tuba player was the high point or the low point of the show. confused.gifsmile.gif
post #526 of 569
I did love the shooting of the tuba player.

The season finale was surprising to me without the big, expected "to the death" battle between Bohannan and the Swede (but he's really Norwegian!). And I was a bit surprised to see Common, err Elam die in a "to the death" battle with a grizzly. Although they didn't show much of that battle.

The ending reminded me a bit (teeny bit, not too much) of the ending of the Shield. Bohannan doesn't go out in a blaze of glory, but is instead relegated to a humdrum, constrained existence, away from the railroad. Or at least I'm assuming he no longer wants the life of a farmer, and is probably not too happy to be obligated (almost indentured?) to a Mormon family.

Although he does have a cute, young wife to warm the bed with. One that doesn't seem too bound to the straight-laced Mormon life.

I was fully expecting the kid to show up and uncover the Swede and hijinks to ensue. But it never happened.

Cliff
post #527 of 569
After such an ingenious beginning (I simply loved watching the interaction between Bohannan and the Swede in the courtroom scene), I was completely letdown by the ho-hum ending. Everything in-between was rather bland as well.

Regarding Elam, I'm not convinced he's dead, even though the love of his life *sensed* that his spirit had departed and we saw him pretty tore up and bloodied next to the dying/dead bear.

I have been a fan from the beginning and I LOVE the amazing PIcture Quality, so I'll be tuning in next season if it's renewed, with hopes that the writers will redeem themselves by giving us some fresh and exciting material.
post #528 of 569
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Originally Posted by cliffg View Post

I did love the shooting of the tuba player.

The season finale was surprising to me without the big, expected "to the death" battle between Bohannan and the Swede (but he's really Norwegian!). And I was a bit surprised to see Common, err Elam die in a "to the death" battle with a grizzly. Although they didn't show much of that battle.

The ending reminded me a bit (teeny bit, not too much) of the ending of the Shield. Bohannan doesn't go out in a blaze of glory, but is instead relegated to a humdrum, constrained existence, away from the railroad. Or at least I'm assuming he no longer wants the life of a farmer, and is probably not too happy to be obligated (almost indentured?) to a Mormon family.

Although he does have a cute, young wife to warm the bed with. One that doesn't seem too bound to the straight-laced Mormon life.

I was fully expecting the kid to show up and uncover the Swede and hijinks to ensue. But it never happened.

I like Bohanon's cute young wife too. I have a hunch that if Bohanon ever decided he wanted to abandon the Mormons and move on, his wife would be more than happy to come along.

Like you, I had a hunch that the kid whose father, the real bishop, and mother were murdered by the Swede would show up expose the Swede as a fraud. Wouldn't that have been interesting?

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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

After such an ingenious beginning (I simply loved watching the interaction between Bohannan and the Swede in the courtroom scene), I was completely letdown by the ho-hum ending. Everything in-between was rather bland as well.

Regarding Elam, I'm not convinced he's dead, even though the love of his life *sensed* that his spirit had departed and we saw him pretty tore up and bloodied next to the dying/dead bear.

I have been a fan from the beginning and I LOVE the amazing PIcture Quality, so I'll be tuning in next season if it's renewed, with hopes that the writers will redeem themselves by giving us some fresh and exciting material.

I'm not ready to accept that Elam is really dead either. After all, at the end of last season the Swede jumped from a high bridge with Bohanon's noose around his neck and, we learned this season, survived. Of course, it would be even more preposterous if the bear-mangled body of Elam survived but then this is TV-land. smile.gif

I agree that the show's startlingly beautiful photography went a long way to compensate for its many weaknesses.
post #529 of 569
I just assume that Elam was covered in the bear's blood, and not his own. And that he was exhausted from fighting a bear to the death.
post #530 of 569
Wow. Can't believe all the Negative Nellie's here. wink.gif

I really enjoyed the finale. Mostly because with all the cliffhangers there's almost certainly going to be another season. And that makes me happy because I really love this show, including this season. Anson Mount so owns this role; I'd watch him read the phone book...err, telegraph records. The different emotions passing across his face during the trial scene and testimony from the girl, conveyed with such nuance and subtlety - man, that was good stuff.

If there is a renewal, Elam's not dead. Somebody was going to survive that epic battle between man & beast, and the beast was clearly dead. Ergo.... Plus, he's a principal character and his arc still has a ways to go. He's got to rescue Bohannan from the clutches of Mormon servitude. And reunite with Eva. The railroad has to get finished. And Durant has to get his just desserts; the bad guys don't typically win in a western. And that includes the dastardly Swede/Norwegian - his will be a deliciously deserved demise. I aim to see it.

So, I'm happy with the finale, and happy with the prospects of another season. The producers must know something. They must have gotten some sign from AMC that they were getting another season or else they would have crafted a different ending - one with no cliffhangers and more closure. Of course, I could be wrong, but 2+ million on a Saturday night might be enough for the network.
post #531 of 569
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Wow. Can't believe all the Negative Nellie's here. wink.gif

I really enjoyed the finale. Mostly because with all the cliffhangers there's almost certainly going to be another season. And that makes me happy because I really love this show, including this season. Anson Mount so owns this role; I'd watch him read the phone book...err, telegraph records. The different emotions passing across his face during the trial scene and testimony from the girl, conveyed with such nuance and subtlety - man, that was good stuff.

If there is a renewal, Elam's not dead. Somebody was going to survive that epic battle between man & beast, and the beast was clearly dead. Ergo.... Plus, he's a principal character and his arc still has a ways to go. He's got to rescue Bohannan from the clutches of Mormon servitude. And reunite with Eva. The railroad has to get finished. And Durant has to get his just desserts; the bad guys don't typically win in a western. And that includes the dastardly Swede/Norwegian - his will be a deliciously deserved demise. I aim to see it.

So, I'm happy with the finale, and happy with the prospects of another season. The producers must know something. They must have gotten some sign from AMC that they were getting another season or else they would have crafted a different ending - one with no cliffhangers and more closure. Of course, I could be wrong, but 2+ million on a Saturday night might be enough for the network.
Actually, I wasn't all that unhappy with the finale either, despite the misguided attempt at humor in my above post. I guess I would have liked seeing fewer cliffhangers and a more thorough resolution of Bohannon and the Swede, but I also agree that this makes it more likely that we will see another season.
post #532 of 569
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Originally Posted by BoilerJim View Post

Actually, I wasn't all that unhappy with the finale either, despite the misguided attempt at humor in my above post. I guess I would have liked seeing fewer cliffhangers and a more thorough resolution of Bohannon and the Swede, but I also agree that this makes it more likely that we will see another season.

I don't think it makes it any more likely that we'll have another season, if the numbers justify it and things fall right we'll have another season, but I seriously doubt the ending was written because they felt assured of another season. the Powers that be will make their decision(hopefully HoW has a big proponent in the ranks) and I really don't think they give a hoot about how it ended. I think about
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how 'The Glades' ended, different network, but they sure left that one on the floor and totally up in the air
post #533 of 569
To be clear, while the finale didn't blow me away, I definitely enjoyed it. It turned out different than I expected (and many times, that's a good thing).

This has been a season that has kept my interest in the show, and definitely it will stay in the DVR season series list. I liked seeing the focus back on the railroad building aspect, something that was so pivotal in US history and that hasn't been covered much in TV land. The new characters from this season are just as interesting and well defined (if not more) as the previous / existing characters (some now deceased, or assuming to be deceased).

If Elam survives, there's real history on his side. I remember watching a movie many years ago titled "Man in the Wilderness" (Richard Harris, John Huston), based on a real life trapper named Hugh Glass. Hugh was badly mauled by a grizzly, managed to kill it, was left for dead by fellow trappers (broken leg, exposed ribs, etc), but regained consciousness and walked over 200 miles to a fort:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Glass

Cliff
post #534 of 569
I thought that was Bart the Bear until I checked and found that he died in 2000.
post #535 of 569
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I thought that was Bart the Bear until I checked and found that he died in 2000.

There have been at least 3 Barts over the years. Same guy trained them, and I think he owns the Bart name. I just saw Bart-2 in the movie "Unfinished Life", there's a nice featurette on the BD all about training Bart.
post #536 of 569
I thought the season finale was probably the worst episode of the season. Boring
post #537 of 569
I just can't take it any more.

After three seasons of rudderless story telling, the finale was the worst episode I have seen in recent memory. The great photography cannot save this poorly scripted series. There will be no season four for this guy.

Riddle me this:

(1) How many more times is Durrant going to evade the law and take control of the railroad? And can they actually shoot a scene where he isn't chowing down or drinking himself into a stupor.

(2) I never recovered from Lilly's demise. Yet there seems to be a never ending supply of woman for Bohanon's fickle relationships. Lilly, Ruth, Durrant's wife, the Lesbo NY Times lady, and now a Morman teener.

(3) After the Elam - Eva get out of my house scene, I was rooting for the bear all the way. Elam seems to have anger management issues. Or he did before he became a bear appetizer. He is dead to me.

(4) I guess I missed that day in history class where they taught how violent and murderous Morman's really are. Really?

(5) These folks have amazing telescopes. They can see 5 miles away as if it were just 150 yards. Cheyenne must be closer than 5 miles from the camp because people come and go between them in just 15 minutes or so.

(6) I am particularly impressed by the endless supply of milled lumber which appears as if by magic to build windmills and houses. These railroad guys are superb craftsman with advanced engineering degrees. They must store the power tools in the garage.

(7) The housekeeping staff at the cattle lady's hotel deserve special recognition. They repaired missing or destroyed glassware, furniture, doors and windows, just in time for a big meeting with the RR board, in just a few hours it seems.

(8) Let's not forget about the gunfights and amazing marksmanship of these guys. I am pretty sure Bohanon shot 13 of the 9 guys that were pursuing him. I counted 9 guys on horses with masks and 13 guys that were shot in the town. And it only took one shot to take each of them out. Even with a speed loader accounting for 12 rounds of ammunition, Bohanon had an inexhaustible supply of ammunition without reloading. Not to be exceeded by the endless supply of Mormans of course.

(9) The Swede should have his own spinoff series. He really is a fun villain. He has more lives than a Cheshire cat.

(10) We need to pass the hat and teach Anson how to speak lines without mumbling. Honest to God, his accent deepened as the season progressed and even subtitles couldn't help. His articulation is only exceeded by the guy with the stiff upper lip on The Bridge.

(11) Okay, did they really have to break into song when laying rails? Mel Brooks came to mind when Slim Picken's asked for a good old ... work song in the 1976 classic Blazing Saddles.

(12) Call the casting department. The requisition for the chinese laborers who actually built the UP railroad has yet to be filled. It is do-over time.

(13) Kudos to the Morman seamstresses. Bohanon had a really nice wardrobe by the time he was dragged into the courtroom to face the Swede.

I need to leave now. Will one of the 4 of you who are still watching this series, please turn out the lights?

Thank you.
Edited by Leftcoastdave - 10/14/13 at 1:40pm
post #538 of 569
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(4) I guess I missed that day in history class where they taught how violent and murderous Morman's really are. Really?
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Will one of the 4 of you who are still watching this series, please turn out the lights?

There's still a group of people, maybe not huge, but not insignificant, that enjoy the series. Despite the "TV isms", there is still quite a bit that is original and different about this series. How many more police procedurals do we need, no matter how well done? Besides the characters that I enjoy on this series (the Swede!), how many TV series have featured the transcontinental railroad race, Mormon communities and militia, and post-civil war labor groups like this one? (I'm leaving a lot out, obviously, and there are some aspects in common with a series I loved from a few years back - Deadwood - although HoW is nowhere near the level of quality that Deadwood was.)

Most of the points from Dave are what I call "TV isms". There are few TV shows that don't take some, or a lot, of liberties and differ from reality in many small (or some large) ways. When it gets to the point of interfering with my "suspension of disbelief", that's when I become irritated. Rarely has this show irritated me.

(I doubt many people have noticed that the steam engine is not an actual steam engine, but instead a "faux steam engine" that is pushed or pulled when moving in a scene. The actual amount of maintenance, support, and FRA regulation certification passing required for true live steam would be prohibitive for a TV series, which explains the "faux" engine. There are a few places where a TV series could rent an engine and location, but I assume there are reasons they don't do that.)

Regarding Mormons, an incident that hasn't had much visibility:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

120 emigrants - men, women, and children - massacred by Mormon milita. It's still debated whether senior level Mormon leaders (Brigham Young) knew about and / or green-lit the massacre.

This wasn't an isolated incident, although probably the worst:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_hysteria_preceding_the_Mountain_Meadows_massacre

The general feeling of paranoia by Mormons in the 1800's shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that knows their basic history, and why they moved from midwestern states to Utah.

Cliff
post #539 of 569
Yup. Ending was a little weak but still one of my favorite shows.

And no problems understanding Cullen... He is southern after all. Y'all just talk funny.
post #540 of 569
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Originally Posted by Leftcoastdave View Post

I just can't take it any more.

After three seasons of rudderless story telling, the finale was the worst episode I have seen in recent memory. The great photography cannot save this poorly scripted series. There will be no season four for this guy.

Riddle me this:

(1) How many more times is Durrant going to evade the law and take control of the railroad? And can they actually shoot a scene where he isn't chowing down or drinking himself into a stupor.

(2) I never recovered from Lilly's demise. Yet there seems to be a never ending supply of woman for Bohanon's fickle relationships. Lilly, Ruth, Durrant's wife, the Lesbo NY Times lady, and now a Morman teener.

(3) After the Elam - Eva get out of my house scene, I was rooting for the bear all the way. Elam seems to have anger management issues. Or he did before he became a bear appetizer. He is dead to me.

(4) I guess I missed that day in history class where they taught how violent and murderous Morman's really are. Really?

(5) These folks have amazing telescopes. They can see 5 miles away as if it were just 150 yards. Cheyenne must be closer than 5 miles from the camp because people come and go between them in just 15 minutes or so.

(6) I am particularly impressed by the endless supply of milled lumber which appears as if by magic to build windmills and houses. These railroad guys are superb craftsman with advanced engineering degrees. They must store the power tools in the garage.

(7) The housekeeping staff at the cattle lady's hotel deserve special recognition. They repaired missing or destroyed glassware, furniture, doors and windows, just in time for a big meeting with the RR board, in just a few hours it seems.

(8) Let's not forget about the gunfights and amazing marksmanship of these guys. I am pretty sure Bohanon shot 13 of the 9 guys that were pursuing him. I counted 9 guys on horses with masks and 13 guys that were shot in the town. And it only took one shot to take each of them out. Even with a speed loader accounting for 12 rounds of ammunition, Bohanon had an inexhaustible supply of ammunition without reloading. Not to be exceeded by the endless supply of Mormans of course.

(9) The Swede should have his own spinoff series. He really is a fun villain. He has more lives than a Cheshire cat.

(10) We need to pass the hat and teach Anson how to speak lines without mumbling. Honest to God, his accent deepened as the season progressed and even subtitles couldn't help. His articulation is only exceeded by the guy with the stiff upper lip on The Bridge.

(11) Okay, did they really have to break into song when laying rails? Mel Brooks came to mind when Slim Picken's asked for a good old ... work song in the 1976 classic Blazing Saddles.

(12) Call the casting department. The requisition for the chinese laborers who actually built the UP railroad has yet to be filled. It is do-over time.

(13) Kudos to the Morman seamstresses. Bohanon had a really nice wardrobe by the time he was dragged into the courtroom to face the Swede.

I need to leave now. Will one of the 4 of you who are still watching this series, please turn out the lights?

Thank you.

Guess you don't know the history of Durrant, yes he really did do that many times, did a lot of illegal activity to get that railroad back, and even used Credit Mobile to help get it back.

Yes, Mormos were very violent back then and caused a lot of issues, sorry your history class didn't cover that for you.

Yes the camp is that close, they could build from the camp to the Cheyenne in less then a day, they said so on the show, they were very close, on horse back, would of taken minutes to get there.

They talked about the lumber supply, the train is constantly coming in with supplies, they show it loaded up with lumber, they talked about them buying lumber, how is that hard to beleive?

They establlished awhile ago how good of a shot Bohannon is. All the way back in season 1, and have repeated that throughout the show. You suddenly find it hard to beleive now?

They said they hoped the clothes fit, they obviously implied they came from someone else not made in minutes.
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