Micca EP600 - Page 13

Any half decently built HTPC will have zero problems playing 24p, but I'd rip the films to .mkv instead of .mp4/.m4v. .mp4 is a rather useless container compared to the flexibility of .mkv.

Yup using nfs, I hate upnp. I did a reset to factory and it played good for a while even streaming avatar 3d looking good. Stopped avatar went to another movie and no go, back to avatar no go, power off then back on, still stuttering with no audio?? I am pinging under 1ms back top my nas from a laptop and can stream great from the nas from the laptop, or the ntv550 hooked to the same switch. I have run test's from the computer hooked to the same switch and it is working great, no dropped packets, very good throughput. I will see if the re-flash helped, If not maybe try to get a new unit from Jack. The one I got did have the latest firmare when I got it, but the remote bag looked open, and the power cord was not wrapped very neat?? Maybe a used unit or something?? Unless they are hand packed then it would not have the nice perfect wrap on the power cord, etc.

Tiddles, any experience with openelec, xbmc running 24p well? If this does not work out I need to build a Wife proof box, and I work on PC's all day, do not want to fuss with a w7 htpc. want the appliance boot like openelec with hdaudio and no OS that need updates, tweeking, etc. (sorry off topic for this thread)

Yeah I don't know, but Micca definitely sucks at customer support and testing their products.

What is the difference between 600 and 950?? Is it only the hard drive bay in 950 which is extra, everything else is same??

What type of AVR are you using? This sounds like the same issue I have with DTS-MA and 24P.

Bill

Pioneer sc-35

Had another good one, did a Mkv of battle la, it range at 2x speed would not stop, and no sound.

Just for kicks try turning the audio from 7.1 to just 5.1 and restart the movie and see what happens.

Bill

Oh, firmware restore did nothing. Still no joy. I have a oink yo tx805 in the living room, works better on the Mkv, no issues really. Streaming etc. still reboots on mp4/m4v. The setup in the theater with the sc-35, unusable. No Mkv streaming, and mp4/m4v reboots it. I guess I surrender. Will stick with the ntv550 and the original 3d blu ray discs for now. That nTV 550 for 85$ has got to be the best thing going. It has no support, but plays everything I have, and has bd full menus . And the interface / menu system is better than the micca. ( that is not saying much though) xbmc is soooo pretty. Maybe time for openelec next.

In the micca menu right? I tried that, as well as setting auto, raw, etc on the other options and going back and fourth, no love, no matter wat I tried.

Yup If I run 5.1 everything plays perfect. My issue shows up when I have 7.1 and 24p enabled....but ONLY when hooked to my Denon receiver...go figure.

Bill

Wow, these thing have issues. Nice setup, I thought it was my room for a second. Love my jvc x30. 3d is not the greatest but oh we'll. Dude try the ntv550, none of these issues (but no 3d) I am waiting on the next sigma chip on the way, 3d, xbmc, sounds like it may be the bomb.

I have 3 WDTV Live+ in various rooms in the house (all running modded firmware) and those work great but lack DTS-MA support. They don't have 3D either but that is bottom on my list of needs. I may pick up a NTV550 tonight to fiddle with in the living room.

Bill

Hey, please do the firmware update using recovery mode. If you see any issues after that, I would go ahead and send an email to Micca support to get an exchange setup. If you are within your 30 days on your purchase, you can also return it to the retailer, of course.

Just curious, what happens if you change the M4V file that has this issue MP4 - nothing else changes, just the file extension.

Lastly, as others have mentioned, MKV is generally a better supported format by the community. There are better/more-powerful tools for it. We love Handbrake, too, however.

@kpump

Theres no issues in battle of Los angele, try to rip the file again.

Last month iI had Shutter with musical adele (30fps) but 2 users told me that they dont have issues with same BD, i rip it again and go figure working wonderfull ater a new rip.

I bought 3 more 3D movies to my collection and i dont a experiencie a single problem.

Despicable me 3D - ok
Immortals 3D - ok
A Monster in Paris 3d-ok

Ali displaying 23.98hz in micca info, without any shutter or hippcut.
Imortalls 3D is a espectacular movie with a fantastic sound experience dts-HD .

Why dont You post a vídeo with Your issues?

Regards
Canton

You should sent your unit back to Micca so they can build it all the new Micca's like yours that way no one will ever have any issues.

They are supported but not with the included remote.
You have to purchase a Harmony 300 and under device, choose HiMedia HD560B.

@ Jack I would strongly encourage Micca to work out a deal with Logitech to sell the Harmony 300 at a discount.

A better option would be to request the HD800B, or HD560B remote to be shipped with your players.

It is shown here with the HD800B.
Edited by Trac - 6/19/12 at 12:28pm

No, his Micca is behaving same way as everyone else's. Micca does identify 3d ISO as 23.976Hz. that's what he is showing in the screenshot. But Micca does send the same source at 24Hz. The display status window of TV will show the input as 24 Hz.

Canton: Can you show us a screenshot of TV display status rather than Micca info? That way will know whether your Micca is different or not.

Im out, Sending it back. I am not re-ripping my media collection when the micca is the only unit that will not play them. The Battle LA is a mkv made with make mkv.
Plays on Boxee Box, NTV550, VLC, but not on the Micca. Same with all the m4v files works on everything, also on the apple tv 3. Funny I did try the rename to .mp4 idea already, still reboots.
If the rips play on everything but the Micca, I would think that the Micca has a issue, not the files?? I have gotten a few m4v to play, 720p mostly. Thanks for the help, I am onto a openelec on a zotac id80 build.
Someday xbmc will have 3d iso support. Until then it is the discs I guess. Thanks again, and good luck with the micca, it looks to have potential if you have the patience.

its what i have mention in my previous posts

micca- 23.98hz in ... 3d
tv samsung - 24hz ...3d
onkyo 609 - 24hz .... 3d

i have perfect and smooth image in 3D, 2D whatever , yesterday and today i watch the immortals in 3D (TWICE) without any issues.

i have + 90 blurays tested with micca, ripped with dvdfab using windows 7 (htpc amd A8 3650) , played in micca connect to a onkyo tx-nr 609 and a 5.1 speakers Q7000 using hdmi 1.4 cables connect to samsung ue40d6530.

ZERO ISSUES, SEE MY VIDEOS ON PREVIOUS POSTS.
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i really would like that some users talk less, and show more (videos) abouts does annoying issues they are talking about.
this threat has 30.000 views, 380 messages and the only videos i seen was mine, i wonder why?

or even pictures ? every smartphone has a camera now , why not using it ?

I'm leaving a challenge to minority ( yes is no more than half dozen with issues) micca users, post your micca video setup showing your problems , shutter , 3D, M4V, 2D , handbrake, devon, phillips 3D.

I'm leaving my contribute to this forum because i don't have problems in my micca , and i don't mind to help others, i have plenty of free time .

first take a look to this board in case you not familiar what is really necessary to play some features in micca:


Edited by canton160 - 6/19/12 at 6:58pm

You cannot demonstrate frame rate conversion problems with video unless the camera is frame locked to the video (this is practically impossible). The reason 3D video from the Micca box looks smooth to you is that you are using an active system at 120Hz. This makes the issue much more difficult to see than if you have a 24Hz system. Once again, just because you do not see a problem does not mean that it is imaginary or that it is not serious.

thanks for the explanation hokeysmoke
then I'm going to contact samsung to return my blu-ray player BD5500 because i notice that the image in samsung using a physical disk, runs a lot less smooth than in micca ep950 using usb.

same movie, same tv , same hdmi cable , same av receiver. thats the way i see things.. living the total experience, and its not my personnel opinion, some friends and members of my family agree with it.

i made a VIDEO BLIND TEST one of this nights, and ask whats the best image, best experience etc, they all agree that micca was superior in viewing 2D or 3D.

Google search.

The “refresh rate” of 60, 120 or 240Hz refers to how many times a frame is drawn each second. A movie signal is broadcast at 24Hz, or 24 frames per second. A 60Hz LCD will convert the frames to 30Hz frame twice every 30th of a second and a 120Hz LCD will repeat the 24Hz signal five times within every 24th of a second to create the picture you see on the screen.

So with the math out of the way, what does it actually mean? The difference between a 60Hz picture and a 120Hz picture can be detected by most human eyes. The picture will appear sharper, clearer and with less “flicker” with 120Hz as the refresh is too quick for the average eye to detect. The real difference is seen when watching a movie or sports where the picture moves quickly and “motion blur” rears its ugly head. Motion blur is where the 60 Hz frame or image is frozen on the screen and shifts to a different position which is detectable to the eye. In effect a frame is held for 1/60 of a second then abruptly shifts to the next frame. This shows on the screen as a kind of lag in movement when there is a lot going on.

To get around this manufacturers moved from the original 60Hz to 120Hz, which doubled the amount of times the frame is repeated on the screen. This lessened the effects of motion blur a bit, but not completely. Shifting up a gear to 240Hz is another attempt to reduce motion blur and to make the moving image as smooth as possible.

Google search (continue)

Faster is better right? Not always. Movies and TV broadcasts are filmed at 24Hz so the TV has a lot of work to do bringing that up to 240Hz by repeating the frame 10 times every 24th of a second. The speed of the refresh rate alone doesn’t do much to improve the picture quality and reduce motion blur as it just repeats the same frame more times.

Is it worth spending the extra money to go for a 240Hz LCD over a 120Hz one? At the moment not yet as the main differences are imperceptible. Reducing motion blue is done by pre-processing using a scanning backlight or MEMC (Motion Estimation Motion Compensation) rather than speeding things up. The faster TV may score well in things like test patterns, but in real life you won’t really notice the difference. MEMC is a clever way of reducing motion blur by predicting where the image will be in between frames. For example, the TV will take frame 1 and frame 2 and repeat them 5 times per 24th second. But, it will also add its own frame in between 1 and 2 by combining the two frames and using prediction. The idea is to simulate a 48Hz signal into the TV. This is the technology that reduces motion blur.

Conclusion
So, to summarize, a 240Hz TV will produce a slightly better viewing experience than a 60 or 120Hz one. However this is because of the programming technology like MEMC, not the increased speed. The improvement at the moment may not warrant spending the extra dollars for this technology yet - it really is up to you and your wallet to decide.

For does that read the text above and have issues with micca can you post your tv model and the following settings:

Blur
Judder
Auto motion plus off/clear/smooth/demo

Like hokeysmoke said, if the realtek chip have unresolved issues ,it still is possible to improve the movie experience with micca or any other players 1186, by simple adjusting the tv settings.

-no one has the perfect player that does a perfect output 3D 23,976 from a hard drive file
-that works in every single hardware
- that plays so smooth that is possible to turn off every mottion judder from a tv
- is capable of avoiding opera effect
-the manufacturer and the all tv industry is moving from 50hz < 60hz < 120hz < 240hz < 480hz for a reason.

simple that player doesn't exist ? exist micca ep950 and micca ep600 that is almost perfect....why ? lets see..

My samsung has 400hz CRM (PAL) the equivalent to NTSC would be 480hz ( I might be wrong ) that reduces the blur and judder when watching a movie or a sport event, if the tv is capable of hidding the flaws of my media player them its a great tv and almost a perfect media player.

the ue40d6530 is a low/ average model, not a expensive LED , it cost me about 700€, its not much to ask to experience a nice movie from hard drive without issues.

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Edited by canton160 - 6/20/12 at 10:50am

(another google information )

Most LCD TVs have a refresh rate of 60Hz. 24 does not go into 60 without a remainder so 3:2 pulldown and it's resulting judder is required to display film content on a TV redrawing the screen 60 times a second. On the other hand, 24 goes into 120 or 240 evenly so film can be displayed at it's native frame rate eliminating judder.

Most Blu Ray players can output content at 24p so with this and a 120Hz/240Hz LCD TV you will be seeing an accurate number of frames when watching film content.

and a nice article to read

LCD motion blur explained
Edited by canton160 - 6/20/12 at 8:55am

From the review of my samsung ue40d6530.

Most brands would probably just call this 400Hz, but Samsung feels uneasy about suggesting that its screen might have a genuine 400Hz refresh rate when what’s really happening is that a 100Hz native scanning rate is working with a scanning backlight and processing tools to deliver the equivalent of 400Hz.

This is why i dont see issues in my micca? A 100hz refresh rate tv?
Need to test it, turning off all the improvement technology in tv to watch what happens and try the micca playing 3D and the blu-ray playing 3D in similar condictions.

Conclusion and Theory

1- Canton160 buys a micca that play perfect to is eyes, mainly due is TV technology with high hz and Crm making a perfect pair (theory)
2- Some users experience problems in 3D micca due their TV refresh rate is only 60hz (theory )
3- lets blame micca because 3D doesn't output 23.976hz
4- WHY NOT blame TV industry because their 60HZ 3DTV aren't enough to hide the judder .
4- All the industry is manufacturing TVS for better and better image quality, trying to fix the judder, blur and opera effect , BLAME THEM FOR GOING 120HZ and 240HZ and leave 60HZ BEHIND.
5- it would be better just to improve the blu-ray players, and making 23,976hz output CORRECT?
6- thats means theres a plot in the industry to sell more tvs ? i don't go that way (theory)


question?

there are any blu ray player in market that output 23,976 hz ?

if you have TV with 100hz or more with "hide judder" technology , go and buy a micca theres 100% chances you don't experience 3D visual judder with it.
or test different settings in your old 60Hz HDTV ......you may not notice any judder or blur.

hope that helps


regards
canton






Regards
Canton
Edited by canton160 - 6/20/12 at 11:39am

The easiest and best way to fix this issue if for Micca to actually fix their media players to actually player the correct frame rate. That's what the issue is. Everyone else knows it, and you're just in denial:rolleyes:

What is the difference between 600 and 950?? Is it only the hard drive bay in 950 which is extra, everything else is same??