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post #1231 of 1566
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post

Why is 3D any different from 2D?

The only time 3D absolutely requires no dropped frames is after the content is converted to frame sequential, where a dropped frame means inverted eyes. With frame packed output like the HD900 does, the eyes are synchronized. When a frame is added, it's added to both eyes at the same time.

The important thing in 3D related to frame rate is that the display and the source must operate at exactly the same frequency. To do this, the display bases its clock on the source, generally referred to as being "frame-locked". All 3D displays must frame-lock to the source. So, if a source plays back at 24Hz, the display will also sync at 24Hz. But this has nothing to do with whether or not the source is dropping or adding frames.

Yes, eye synchronization would be maintained. It was the engineer's opinion. I suppose he doesn't like stuttering 3D. How do you feel about it?
post #1232 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post

Yes, eye synchronization would be maintained. It was the engineer's opinion. I suppose he doesn't like stuttering 3D. How do you feel about it?

To me stuttering in 2D or 3D is just as bad, and this box does both. I suppose in 2D you can minimize the appearance of stuttering by switching to 60Hz (raising the noise floor to drown out the stutter with cadence jitter), but in 3D you cannot do this for a variety of reasons but mostly because 60Hz frame-packing is not part of the 3D standard.
post #1233 of 1566
I don't know what Micca/Himedia can/will do about the issue, and I'm not an engineer, but I can certainly see the stutter in both 2D and 3D, and it is bad enough to ruin the experience entirely for me as a customer. These units never should have shipped with this issue.

I still don't know who's responsible - realtek or Micca/Himedia. All I know is this is a Micca/Himedia unit, and it should be their responsibility to make sure this unit functions correctly, and that is unfortunately not the case with this unit.
post #1234 of 1566
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Originally Posted by leo140hd View Post

Latest HD900 firmware is coming. Please try:
http://dl.himedia-tech.cn/HD900B/HD900_1.0.3.8.tar.gz

New function
1. Support seemless playback on HiTV's site, say Youku,Qiyi,Sohu,Ku6
2. BD Lite Navigation support 3D mode playback
3. deep color default as AUTO。
4. Add timezone setup
5. Add Hebrew support
6. Add Vietnam support
7. Add Poland language
8. Enable Telnet function

I wonder it came to pass that leo140hd, title "HiMedia Of Resseller" re-posted information that was already posted and discussed 11 hours earlier.
post #1235 of 1566
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I don't know what Micca/Himedia can/will do about the issue, and I'm not an engineer, but I can certainly see the stutter in both 2D and 3D, and it is bad enough to ruin the experience entirely for me as a customer. These units never should have shipped with this issue.

I still don't know who's responsible - realtek or Micca/Himedia. All I know is this is a Micca/Himedia unit, and it should be their responsibility to make sure this unit functions correctly, and that is unfortunately not the case with this unit.

Alternatives include:

A) Use a TV system that better hides the stutter

B) Convert isos to SBS so that they can play on a more robust 2D player that works correctly.

C) Use a HTPC with software that plays the files correctly.

D) Use an Oppo BD-93 player with older firmware, or other unnamed BD player that still plays 3D isos as files from an attached hard drive.

E) Include a keg of beer with each 1186 based player shipped, to dull the senses and not see the stutter. (just kidding)

F) Convert the isos frame rate from 23.976 to 24.000 using PC software so that the HiMedia / Micca / Iconbit, and all other players based on the 1186 chip can play them without stuttering.

I asked a software engineer to look into doing (F) with a batch file and existing software. He says they'd need these steps

1) Demux the A/V streams
2) Set the video to play at 24.000 without needing a re-encode
3) Re-encode the audio to the 24.000 rate, while stretching the time domain to sync with the video that we slowed to 24.000
4) Multiplex the resulting streams to produce the needed 24fps result

Anyone have software that already does that? The engineer says this is a classic problem in the NLE industry. It does amount to extra steps to be able to play these 3D files, but better than nothing, and better than the loss of quality that happens when the horizontal resolution is cut in half by making SBS conversion, and cheaper and more versatile than an Oppo.
post #1236 of 1566
Right, and the problem with all of those issues is, it involves either doing lots of conversion steps, which is highly unrealistic to expect customers to convert all their videos because the player isn't playing properly, or finding a better media player to play it on, which is what I'm leaning to at this point.

Option E holds some potential, but would require regular replenishment, say once a week.
post #1237 of 1566
Do people with stuttering issues have problems playing these same movies from their original discs on a bluray player? Everyone claims their backups are/aren't working on their media players. I would like to know how their TV's work with the real deal. Just because I have been reading how a lot of TV's still don't have the ability to play 23.976/24 fps perfectly.
post #1238 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post

F) Convert the isos frame rate from 23.976 to 24.000 using PC software so that the HiMedia / Micca / Iconbit, and all other players based on the 1186 chip can play them without stuttering.

I asked a software engineer to look into doing (F) with a batch file and existing software. He says they'd need these steps

1) Demux the A/V streams
2) Set the video to play at 24.000 without needing a re-encode
3) Re-encode the audio to the 24.000 rate, while stretching the time domain to sync with the video that we slowed to 24.000
4) Multiplex the resulting streams to produce the needed 24fps result

Anyone have software that already does that? The engineer says this is a classic problem in the NLE industry. It does amount to extra steps to be able to play these 3D files, but better than nothing, and better than the loss of quality that happens when the horizontal resolution is cut in half by making SBS conversion, and cheaper and more versatile than an Oppo.

I know of no method to do this within the confines of a 3D Blu-ray ISO file (for any reasonable amount of money). The problem occurs when you try to create the .ssif files plus the corresponding .m2ts files and then placing them into a UDF file system without doubling the size of the original. If you're willing to have double the size then you could also use a Sony S570 which will play back 3D Blu-ray structures perfectly, menus and all.
post #1239 of 1566
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Originally Posted by zort View Post

Do people with stuttering issues have problems playing these same movies from their original discs on a bluray player? Everyone claims their backups are/aren't working on their media players. I would like to know how their TV's work with the real deal. Just because I have been reading how a lot of TV's still don't have the ability to play 23.976/24 fps perfectly.

The only two sources I own with this problem are the HD900 and a WDTV (Western Digital fixed all of the WDTV versions except for mine which is one of the originals). The rest of my Blu-ray players and media players work without any stuttering.
post #1240 of 1566
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post

I know of no method to do this within the confines of a 3D Blu-ray ISO file (for any reasonable amount of money). The problem occurs when you try to create the .ssif files plus the corresponding .m2ts files and then placing them into a UDF file system without doubling the size of the original. If you're willing to have double the size then you could also use a Sony S570 which will play back 3D Blu-ray structures perfectly, menus and all.

I heard there are alternatives to doubling the size, but that is for method (D) and not the solution for the Realtek 1186. BTW original bluray media does not double the size. The same video data stream (physical sectors) on the disk is used for both 2D and 3D streams. That's what I read.

Now about method (F) for Realtek 1186, the result does not have to be restored to a Blu-ray ISO file (does imgburn do that for free anyway?). The result can be placed in and played from an M2TS file, right?
post #1241 of 1566
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Originally Posted by zort View Post

Do people with stuttering issues have problems playing these same movies from their original discs on a bluray player? Everyone claims their backups are/aren't working on their media players. I would like to know how their TV's work with the real deal. Just because I have been reading how a lot of TV's still don't have the ability to play 23.976/24 fps perfectly.

The original disks play fine. The files from the disk also play fine without stuttering on players that play them at the correct frame rate of 23.976fps.

The Realtek 1186 based players do not currently offer the option in their menu to play these files at the correct rate.

These Realtek 1186 based players force the user to play the files at a slightly incorrect faster rate of 24fps.

The result is that the files are played faster because of the Realtek 1186 limitation, faster than the actual data in the file.

When played too fast, the player runs out of data every 42 seconds for one frame. Players move a frame at a time from the input stream to the output stream. When the input and output are at the exact same rate, there is no stuttering.

When the player runs out of data once every 42 seconds, the current frame being played is repeated. This is seen by the viewer as a stutter, i.e. playback that is not smooth.

To avoid this, the player must play the content at the rate is was intended.

There is no inherent difficulty in playing video at the correct rate.

IMHO Realtek 1186 based players do not play the files at the correct rate due to improper / inadequate design of firmware or hardware or both.

I heard there are some TVs that don't play correctly, but this is a bit off topic. I've not seen them myself personally and do not know the exact model numbers. For this discussion, we can assume that the bluray disk in a working player does not stutter as the Realtek 1186 does stutter, when playing this through the exact same TV
post #1242 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post

Now about method (F) for Realtek 1186, the result does not have to be restored to a Blu-ray ISO file (does imgburn do that for free anyway?). The result can be placed in and played from an M2TS file, right?

Not in 3D. The HD900 does not seem to be compatible with M2TS files with left/right eye streams. It plays only one eye.
post #1243 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post

The original disks play fine. The files from the disk also play fine without stuttering on players that play them at the correct frame rate of 23.976fps.

The Realtek 1186 based players do not currently offer the option in their menu to play these files at the correct rate.

These Realtek 1186 based players force the user to play the files at a slightly incorrect faster rate of 24fps.

The result is that the files are played faster because of the Realtek 1186 limitation, faster than the actual data in the file.

When played too fast, the player runs out of data every 42 seconds for one frame. Players move a frame at a time from the input stream to the output stream. When the input and output are at the exact same rate, there is no stuttering.

When the player runs out of data once every 42 seconds, the current frame being played is repeated. This is seen by the viewer as a stutter, i.e. playback that is not smooth.

To avoid this, the player must play the content at the rate is was intended.

There is no inherent difficulty in playing video at the correct rate.

IMHO Realtek 1186 based players do not play the files at the correct rate due to improper / inadequate design of firmware or hardware or both.

I heard there are some TVs that don't play correctly, but this is a bit off topic. I've not seen them myself personally and do not know the exact model numbers. For this discussion, we can assume that the bluray disk in a working player does not stutter as the Realtek 1186 does stutter, when playing this through the exact same TV

Thanks for clearing that part up.
post #1244 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post

I heard there are some TVs that don't play correctly, but this is a bit off topic. I've not seen them myself personally and do not know the exact model numbers. For this discussion, we can assume that the bluray disk in a working player does not stutter as the Realtek 1186 does stutter, when playing this through the exact same TV

This may be the crux of why it has never been fixed. People blame the TV. The good news is that it is much more difficult to blame the TV if it is locked to the source as all 3D TVs must be. However, if you want to read a depressing thread about 24Hz stutter and Realtek go here:

http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,935.0.html

By the end of 17 pages, the moderators tell everyone that if they can't see it, it doesn't exist. This is despite controlled tests (like the one you suggest) by many posters. The amazing thing to me is that there are many analyzers out there that can tell you what the source is outputting without needing a display. They're not consumer devices, but you'd think some engineer at Realtek would have one. You could also use a scope, provided you can find the HDMI transmitter pin that has vsync on it.
post #1245 of 1566
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Originally Posted by zort View Post

Do people with stuttering issues have problems playing these same movies from their original discs on a bluray player? Everyone claims their backups are/aren't working on their media players. I would like to know how their TV's work with the real deal. Just because I have been reading how a lot of TV's still don't have the ability to play 23.976/24 fps perfectly.

I have no problems playing any blu-ray discs with my blu-ray player. No stuttering. I have already posted conclusive information on the Micca thread through a CNET review that my tv displays 23.976/24 properly. It is not the tv or the media that is the problem, it is the player.

The link in the post by HokeySmoke above is exactly the issue we are having here. It is very relevant.
post #1246 of 1566
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post


This may be the crux of why it has never been fixed. People blame the TV. The good news is that it is much more difficult to blame the TV if it is locked to the source as all 3D TVs must be. However, if you want to read a depressing thread about 24Hz stutter and Realtek go here:

http://www.mede8erforum.com/index.php/topic,935.0.html

By the end of 17 pages, the moderators tell everyone that if they can't see it, it doesn't exist. This is despite controlled tests (like the one you suggest) by many posters. The amazing thing to me is that there are many analyzers out there that can tell you what the source is outputting without needing a display. They're not consumer devices, but you'd think some engineer at Realtek would have one. You could also use a scope, provided you can find the HDMI transmitter pin that has vsync on it.

While this may be the issue for us! It's not an issue for Realtek! The engineers do have have one! They don't care! It seems realtek got there product to market first at the consumers expense! Any wonder why Sigma has not released there chip yet? Could it be the engineers there have the same equipment? While I feel your pain on purchasing something that does not work as specified! HiMedia does not give a s***! This player no matter how you look at it is not quality!
post #1247 of 1566
I just ripped the 3D Blu-ray version of Hugo with DVDFab, stuck it on my NAS, and tried playing it on my 900B. When it starts, all I get is a dark blue screen with a message that says the following. Any ideas? Running '1.0.3.8'. I did the same thing with Avatar 3D and it worked.

"
This Blu-Ray disc requires a compatible 3D HDTV & Blu-Ray 3D player or a blu-ray player that has been upgraded with the necessary......
"
post #1248 of 1566
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Originally Posted by dsieroka View Post

I just ripped the 3D Blu-ray version of Hugo with DVDFab, stuck it on my NAS, and tried playing it on my 900B. When it starts, all I get is a dark blue screen with a message that says the following. Any ideas? Running '1.0.3.8'. I did the same thing with Avatar 3D and it worked.

"
This Blu-Ray disc requires a compatible 3D HDTV & Blu-Ray 3D player or a blu-ray player that has been upgraded with the necessary......
"

Try to play your back up via direct play, it should work.
post #1249 of 1566
I am thinking of switching over from 2Tb drives to 3-4Tb drives does the himedia play nice with them internally and anything to look at in the drives--would go 5400rpm drives
thanks
post #1250 of 1566
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Originally Posted by DiabloZoe View Post

While this may be the issue for us! It's not an issue for Realtek! The engineers do have have one! They don't care! It seems realtek got there product to market first at the consumers expense! Any wonder why Sigma has not released there chip yet? Could it be the engineers there have the same equipment? While I feel your pain on purchasing something that does not work as specified! HiMedia does not give a s***! This player no matter how you look at it is not quality!

Couldnt agree more--sick of mine locking up with the on/off bug and having to pull out the rear power connector and reinserting it--was embarrassing the other night when I had a friend over and it happened.
Realtek has never had a great reputation from what I have seen over the years
post #1251 of 1566
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Originally Posted by denass View Post

I am thinking of switching over from 2Tb drives to 3-4Tb drives does the himedia play nice with them internally and anything to look at in the drives--would go 5400rpm drives
thanks

I don't think the 900B supports more than 2TB drives. I am using both a 7200 RPM 1 TB drive and a 5900 RPM 2 TB drive. Both are 64Mb buffer. I tested a 5000 RPM 8Mb buffer drive originally and it stuttered throughout the playback. I would avoid using "Green" variable speed drives, but I have not tested any yet. I've heard those are not recommended for video playback.

While I feel bad for those who are not happy with the quality they are getting, AKA an added frame at 42 seconds, I haven't experienced any of that. Tested with both 24 fps 3D video and 23.976 video. Both of these programs I created myself using Sony Vegas Pro. The 24 FPS 3D was created using twin TD10's in a paired configuration with each camcorder in 2D mode 24 FPS. The video plays without judder nor stutter. The 23.976 FPS 3D is what I render using a single TD10 camcorder in it's 60i 3D recording mode and then rendered to a 23.976 FPS iso file in Vegas Pro. It has no judder nor stutter. Both are viewed with the 900B player connected to a Sony VPL-VW90ES projector.

BUT, the 900B has other frustrating issues for me that is far worse than a frame being added at 42 seconds. As I said I don't see that issue here.
The problem I have been seeing after viewing hundreds of video is that these iso files don't want to begin playing at the beginning of the file clip. Instead there is some glitching after the play triangle shows on the screen and then it begins, often with a very loud audio, and then it plays. In a few runs I have had the videos not play to the finish. The program will freeze and as the player continues a corrupted other program stored in the folder will flash in and out. This happens at random. I thought it might be a corrupted file of disk but it happens at random and now confirmed on two different disks.
I have had to resort to adding a 3 second leader of black silence to the videos to see the beginning of the program.

The only other problem I have with the 900B is it's limitation on using menus, but I accept that is a limitation and likely will not be a future feature improvement.

I still have my OPPO BD-93 with a 2TB 5900 RPM drive and the files all loaded there. These are internal drives using a dual slot cradle with USB 2.0 connection to the OPPO. All files play flawlessly including menus and extra features just as if I burned a disk of my project and played from there.

I plan to continue to store my programs on the OPPO. Not sure what I will do with the 900B, but because of the unpredictable results, I will be using the OPPO for my media server.

Since I have decided not to rely on the 900B as my primary media server I feel new freedom to experiment with other firmware. Hopefully I won't brick the box. But I understand those who have used the GUI to do the upgrade. I plan to stick to the recommended safe mode. Hopefully the upgrade firmware will fix the start and failure to finish playback issues I have.
post #1252 of 1566
I have varied WD green drives and my favorites are samsung 2tb 5400rpm.I havent had any problems playing them on my Dune and 900b
thats a bugger if the 900b doesnt use 3-4tb drives then.This is stupid for himedia 900b.
This 900b bugs thing is just getting worse the more I hear.
post #1253 of 1566
I'm using a green drive with my Micca, and I'm experiencing absolutely no playback issues related to using a green drive. It works just fine. All my issues are related to the 23.976 stutter, and random file corruption.
post #1254 of 1566
When using WD green drives with these linux-based media players, I usually turn off the frequent (every 8 seconds) head parking feature - just because I've read many reports of these drives getting 100,000+ counts of Load/Unload cycles (SMART data) when run on linux, in just a few months. Maybe it doesn't apply for these players, but when the media player is on, I don't need the hard disk parking itself because I'll be using it before very long.

Data throughput should be fine though.
post #1255 of 1566
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Originally Posted by denass View Post

I have varied WD green drives and my favorites are samsung 2tb 5400rpm.I havent had any problems playing them on my Dune and 900b
thats a bugger if the 900b doesnt use 3-4tb drives then.This is stupid for himedia 900b.
This 900b bugs thing is just getting worse the more I hear.

The 900 has no problems with a 3 tb green drive!
post #1256 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post


I don't think the 900B supports more than 2TB drives. I am using both a 7200 RPM 1 TB drive and a 5900 RPM 2 TB drive. Both are 64Mb buffer. I tested a 5000 RPM 8Mb buffer drive originally and it stuttered throughout the playback. I would avoid using "Green" variable speed drives, but I have not tested any yet. I've heard those are not recommended for video playback.

While I feel bad for those who are not happy with the quality they are getting, AKA an added frame at 42 seconds, I haven't experienced any of that. Tested with both 24 fps 3D video and 23.976 video. Both of these programs I created myself using Sony Vegas Pro. The 24 FPS 3D was created using twin TD10's in a paired configuration with each camcorder in 2D mode 24 FPS. The video plays without judder nor stutter. The 23.976 FPS 3D is what I render using a single TD10 camcorder in it's 60i 3D recording mode and then rendered to a 23.976 FPS iso file in Vegas Pro. It has no judder nor stutter. Both are viewed with the 900B player connected to a Sony VPL-VW90ES projector.

BUT, the 900B has other frustrating issues for me that is far worse than a frame being added at 42 seconds. As I said I don't see that issue here.
The problem I have been seeing after viewing hundreds of video is that these iso files don't want to begin playing at the beginning of the file clip. Instead there is some glitching after the play triangle shows on the screen and then it begins, often with a very loud audio, and then it plays. In a few runs I have had the videos not play to the finish. The program will freeze and as the player continues a corrupted other program stored in the folder will flash in and out. This happens at random. I thought it might be a corrupted file of disk but it happens at random and now confirmed on two different disks.
I have had to resort to adding a 3 second leader of black silence to the videos to see the beginning of the program.

The only other problem I have with the 900B is it's limitation on using menus, but I accept that is a limitation and likely will not be a future feature improvement.

I still have my OPPO BD-93 with a 2TB 5900 RPM drive and the files all loaded there. These are internal drives using a dual slot cradle with USB 2.0 connection to the OPPO. All files play flawlessly including menus and extra features just as if I burned a disk of my project and played from there.

I plan to continue to store my programs on the OPPO. Not sure what I will do with the 900B, but because of the unpredictable results, I will be using the OPPO for my media server.

Since I have decided not to rely on the 900B as my primary media server I feel new freedom to experiment with other firmware. Hopefully I won't brick the box. But I understand those who have used the GUI to do the upgrade. I plan to stick to the recommended safe mode. Hopefully the upgrade firmware will fix the start and failure to finish playback issues I have.

The 900 can use a 3tb green drive no prob!
post #1257 of 1566
Regarding the 23.976 stutter issue, I think it's important to not overplay this.

The exact same issue has been present in every Realtek chipset released since the 1073 (and possibly before). It surfaced as an 'issue' on forums once before, in 2009, and then largely disappeared again because most people just don't see it.

We are talking about a single frame being duplicated every 1,000 frames for 23.976 encoded content only. There are many other factors in most people's setups that create more visible image artifacts, but these don't get noticed or commented on.

Amongst those using this forum it is perhaps more of a problem than with the general public because people here are by definition more interested in absolute quality, will have much higher specification setups than usual, and will be interested in pushing the hardware to it's limits.

But, overall, I think it is important to note that 100,000s (guess) of Realtek based Media Players have been sold with 99.99% of users not seeing this issue at all.

If a native 23.976fps mode is important to you then the answer (as it has been for years) is to not buy Realtek. The problem then being that the alternatives have limitations of their own. Nothing is perfect..
post #1258 of 1566
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Originally Posted by iboum View Post

Regarding the 23.976 stutter issue, I think it's important to not overplay this.

The exact same issue has been present in every Realtek chipset released since the 1073 (and possibly before). It surfaced as an 'issue' on forums once before, in 2009, and then largely disappeared again because most people just don't see it.

We are talking about a single frame being duplicated every 1,000 frames for 23.976 encoded content only. There are many other factors in most people's setups that create more visible image artifacts, but these don't get noticed or commented on.

Amongst those using this forum it is perhaps more of a problem than with the general public because people here are by definition more interested in absolute quality, will have much higher specification setups than usual, and will be interested in pushing the hardware to it's limits.

But, overall, I think it is important to note that 100,000s (guess) of Realtek based Media Players have been sold with 99.99% of users not seeing this issue at all.

If a native 23.976fps mode is important to you then the answer (as it has been for years) is to not buy Realtek. The problem then being that the alternatives have limitations of their own. Nothing is perfect..

Exactly! I also feel there is a common theme of psychology present in a forum where people will proudly represent they can detect a flaw of this minute detail and what they are really after is acknowledgement of their observation. I have stated it before that I don't see it. That is true for all my programming. I watch and enjoy the program because the specific issue is too minute to cause me pain. There are other issues that I haven't spoken much about before that far out weigh the frame issue. In fact, I still maintain that the only time I could see WTF this was all about was in those specially constructed test files that were video recorded with the high speed casio. Anyway, as far as I'm concerned I'll be the first to congratulate eagle_2 for his tenacity in making this issue a mountain out of a molehill! ( IMHO)

eagle_2- Thanks for verifying you (as well as others) have the file corruption issue too. This is a serious, very bad issue and I hope if I do the upgrade to the latest firmware it is gone. For me this corruption prevented the final 20 minutes viewing of one of my 55 minute programs. That's a bit more of a problem than a single frame added every 42 seconds. That same hard drive of files plays fine in my Oppo!

Re the 3Tb hard drive- I recall reading that the 3Tb drives will, indeed, work, but when checked it was discovered the drives would only format to 1.9 Tb, same as the 2 Tb drives. So there was no additional capacity gain with the additional expense of the added Tb design capacity. Yesterday, I discovered a deal at CompUSA for a Seagate 7200 RPM 3Tb drive so I bought it on impulse for under $200. It will give me a chance to personally verify the claims made on the > 2Tb drive limitations. Is it best to format this drive with the 900b or with a computer ( NTFS too I Presume)?
post #1259 of 1566
Unfortunately, it's iboum's kind of attitude towards this problem that contributes to this issue never getting solved. Whether or not most people notice it, it is a flaw in the playback, and it should be corrected, because some people do notice it. It's insulting to say that since most people don't notice it, I shouldn't either. The Sigma chips do not have this issue. True, from what I've read, they have had their own issues in the past, but the difference is those issues get resolved, and from what I read, the Dunes are a very, very solid player with no stuttering issues like this.

On the other hand, as iboum said, the Realtek chips have had these problems for years, and have done nothing about it. That says alot about how Realtek values their own product line. They know it's an issue, but since "most" people don't notice it, it goes year after year unfixed. Why, since it has been proven to be an issue, have they not at least solved the issue in their next chip after the problem has been reported? They continue to make chip after chip with the same issue. I find that totally unacceptable and this is the reason I have decided to return the Micca and go with a Dune instead. Realtek doesn't care about their customers. That is more than obvious to me. They may consider this a minor issue, but a stutter every 42 seconds of a 2 hour movie on what should be a high-end video format (Blu-Ray material) is completely unacceptable to me, and I noticed the stutter immediately upon trying out my first video on the player.

The file corruption and power issues are just further evidence that the quality on these units is highly questionable. I will never again buy a media player with a Realtek chip inside. If people don't notice the issue, good for them. I do, and I didn't buy a 51" plasma tv and a Yamaha receiver just to have the whole experience marred by a stutter every half-minute of every movie I watch on it. How some people find this acceptable is beyond me. To all those who do notice this stutter, and are hoping for a fix, don't expect one. I'm getting out while I still can, and I recommend the same to anyone else who is having second thoughts.
post #1260 of 1566
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Originally Posted by iboum View Post

...We are talking about a single frame being duplicated every 1,000 frames for 23.976 encoded content only. There are many other factors in most people's setups that create more visible image artifacts, but these don't get noticed or commented on....

To put it another way, we're talking about having the video freeze for about a 10th of a second about every 40 seconds for practically every movie ever released in the United States. Imagine some of your favorite directors with their famous panning shots (Peter Jackson, James Cameron, etc) being interrupted in this way.
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