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post #1261 of 1566
For me the 900b is a stop gap until dune bring out a 3d player--the 900b is on my tv and my dune is in my dedicated movie room.I am very happy with the dune's stability and has performed flawlessly from day one.The 900b is crap on many levels and will be happy when its gone--I too will never buy a realtek player again--a lesson learned.Its a bugger realtek havent learnt from the past issues.Iboum is a seller of 900b family and will push the positives and lesson the negatives--but it is crap with bugger all support from himedia.
post #1262 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post



Re the 3Tb hard drive- I recall reading that the 3Tb drives will, indeed, work, but when checked it was discovered the drives would only format to 1.9 Tb, same as the 2 Tb drives. So there was no additional capacity gain with the additional expense of the added Tb design capacity. Yesterday, I discovered a deal at CompUSA for a Seagate 7200 RPM 3Tb drive so I bought it on impulse for under $200. It will give me a chance to personally verify the claims made on the > 2Tb drive limitations. Is it best to format this drive with the 900b or with a computer ( NTFS too I Presume)?

You have to format the drive with the GPT partition, the question was will the unit work with a 3 tb drive just fine so the answer is yes, I can't remember what the actual size the unit was seeing. But a 3 tb drive only comes out a 2.72 tb. I have 2 in my Dune. I know the software on the Dune has been set up to format with GPT, but I don't think the 900 does. I know when I put the 3tb drive into the Dune it registered 2.72
post #1263 of 1566
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post


To put it another way, we're talking about having the video freeze for about a 10th of a second about every 40 seconds for practically every movie ever released in the United States. Imagine some of your favorite directors with their famous panning shots (Peter Jackson, James Cameron, etc) being interrupted in this way.

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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Unfortunately, it's iboum's kind of attitude towards this problem that contributes to this issue never getting solved. Whether or not most people notice it, it is a flaw in the playback, and it should be corrected, because some people do notice it. It's insulting to say that since most people don't notice it, I shouldn't either. The Sigma chips do not have this issue. True, from what I've read, they have had their own issues in the past, but the difference is those issues get resolved, and from what I read, the Dunes are a very, very solid player with no stuttering issues like this.

On the other hand, as iboum said, the Realtek chips have had these problems for years, and have done nothing about it. That says alot about how Realtek values their own product line. They know it's an issue, but since "most" people don't notice it, it goes year after year unfixed. Why, since it has been proven to be an issue, have they not at least solved the issue in their next chip after the problem has been reported? They continue to make chip after chip with the same issue. I find that totally unacceptable and this is the reason I have decided to return the Micca and go with a Dune instead. Realtek doesn't care about their customers. That is more than obvious to me. They may consider this a minor issue, but a stutter every 42 seconds of a 2 hour movie on what should be a high-end video format (Blu-Ray material) is completely unacceptable to me, and I noticed the stutter immediately upon trying out my first video on the player.

The file corruption and power issues are just further evidence that the quality on these units is highly questionable. I will never again buy a media player with a Realtek chip inside. If people don't notice the issue, good for them. I do, and I didn't buy a 51" plasma tv and a Yamaha receiver just to have the whole experience marred by a stutter every half-minute of every movie I watch on it. How some people find this acceptable is beyond me. To all those who do notice this stutter, and are hoping for a fix, don't expect one. I'm getting out while I still can, and I recommend the same to anyone else who is having second thoughts.


Eagle 2 I guess understands it! Your expecting way to much from a subpar player! And the fact that not everybody see's could be that some have good video equipment! Not saying you don't! Mine was running through a Sc37 to a Sony 55HXBR929 and I never picked up on the stutter! I'm not saying it's there! But I never and most people wont hook up an oscilloscope or for that matter use test files! I have been following threads on the 1186 players for a while and it's recently this has come up, here and futeko. I have not seen much anywhere else. The general suggestion is return your realtek player or sell it on eBay and get a Dune!
post #1264 of 1566
I borrowed a Quantum Data HDMI analyzer from a lab, and have measured the HD900A when running 23.976Hz content and 59.94Hz content. Results attached. Exactly as expected, it's sending video at 24.00Hz and 60.00Hz.

 

Print - Quantum Data - Timing Report - 23.976Hz.pdf 108.517578125k . file

 

Print - Quantum Data - Timing Report - 59.94Hz.pdf 108.767578125k . file
post #1265 of 1566
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post

I borrowed a Quantum Data HDMI analyzer from a lab, and have measured the HD900A when running 23.976Hz content and 59.94Hz content. Results attached. Exactly as expected, it's sending video at 24.00Hz and 60.00Hz.

You have not confirmed anything that has not been already!

Your Slim S1 doesn't have the Realtek 1186 chipset, thats the one with the 24hz problem, this is why you don't see the issue as it's not present on yours, its ONLY on the R1186 based media players. That is incorrect. This issue/problem/bug/feature (whatever you want to call it) has existed since the Realtek 1073 through successive chipset generations. It was certainly present in the 1283 chip used in the TViX Slim S1. The issue was discussed quite widely during 2009 when there were a lot of Realtek 1073/1283 players being released (Xtreamer MK1, AC Ryan Playon) and the discussion progressed exactly as it is doing again this time. Then a few people highlighted it as a 'bug' and posted widely on forums about it. This caused many other people to try and test for it, but they couldn't see it or didn't experience it. The Realtek chipset does not have a 23.976p output mode, only straight 24p. The practical result of this is a single frame duplicated every 1,000 frames on 23.976p material. Unless you specifically look for this and have very high-end equipment you just won't notice. There are other issues with the way TVs/projectors display images that are more noticeable (e.g. 3/2 pulldown or 24p to 60Hz conversion or just that 24 frames per second are not a lot of frames) and these are similarly rarely noticed or commented upon. The fact that this has only recently surfaced again as an issue serves to demonstrate that for most people it's not a problem. It's certainly not a 'bug' because this is how Realtek intended it to work and is how every Realtek based Media Player (100s of them) have worked going back many years. Some interesting reading: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=...

This is a post from the futeko forum! Dude your just gonna have to deal with it or get another player! I understand were your coming from but it is what it is!
post #1266 of 1566
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Originally Posted by DiabloZoe View Post

You have not confirmed anything that has not been already!
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Dude your just gonna have to deal with it or get another player! I understand were your coming from but it is what it is!

It sounds like you're more upset about it than I am. I have plenty of players already, just none that will play back 1080p 3D from a hard drive.
post #1267 of 1566
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post


It sounds like you're more upset about it than I am. I have plenty of players already, just none that will play back 1080p 3D from a hard drive.

I'm not upset about it, it's that every other post is about the stuttering! I converted my few 3d movies over to SBS and play them on my DUNE you can't even tell! It would seem that you still do not have a player that will playback 1080P 3D from a HDD.
post #1268 of 1566
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Originally Posted by DiabloZoe View Post

I'm not upset about it, it's that every other post is about the stuttering! I converted my few 3d movies over to SBS and play them on my DUNE you can't even tell! It would seem that you still do not have a player that will playback 1080P 3D from a HDD.

I have converted some of my own 3D videos to SBS 24fps. The 3D is still great, but this is a loss of detail.

Since 3D is so "wow" anyway, the loss of detail isn't quite so harmful to enjoying the content.

With the original content that is not SBS, there are more times when the extra detail is also a "wow" factor.

Anyway, back to the stuttering issue, please see my post here. The EP950 from Micca has the same stutter as all the other Realtek 1186 based players, including the Himedia 900 for this thread. Rather than reporting that Realtec has committed to fixing the stutter, the vendor is telling us how complex and yet good the player is. I point out that it is simply non-compliant, playing files wrong.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post21725562
post #1269 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post


I have converted some of my own 3D videos to SBS 24fps. The 3D is still great, but this is a loss of detail.

Since 3D is so "wow" anyway, the loss of detail isn't quite so harmful to enjoying the content.

With the original content that is not SBS, there are more times when the extra detail is also a "wow" factor.

Anyway, back to the stuttering issue, please see my post here. The EP950 from Micca has the same stutter as all the other Realtek 1186 based players, including the Himedia 900 for this thread. Rather than reporting that Realtec has committed to fixing the stutter, the vendor is telling us how complex and yet good the player is. I point out that it is simply non-compliant, playing files wrong.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post21725562

Every file I have is at 23.976 which I always conceived as 24p hell I would not even know how to turn the file to 24p. As it was posted it seems realtek does not offer A 23.976 playback mode, I don't think this is a issue with HiMedia or the 3-4 players that look like the HiMedia version it's a realtek problem and they don't care to fix it. As for the SBS with my setup anybody that has come over and watched Avatar or Drive Angry or Tron was blown away by the picture, I think this subject has been beaten up! Emails need to be sent to realtek with a couple of henchmen to force them to fix it! It's been this way for a while and it's gonna be like this when the next chipset comes out! People purchased a yugo and want a Porsche! I do not like the 900, I purchased it cause it's the latest and greatest! Went out and purchased a new tv for my 3D player! So I picked up a Dune I was lucky to get it at the price I did......and I could not be happier with this unit! The jukebox is bananas!
post #1270 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post

I have converted some of my own 3D videos to SBS 24fps. The 3D is still great, but this is a loss of detail.

Since 3D is so "wow" anyway, the loss of detail isn't quite so harmful to enjoying the content.

With the original content that is not SBS, there are more times when the extra detail is also a "wow" factor.

Yes, I do that too, and it plays back wonderfully on my Popcorn Hour. But the processing time to do this is serious. For a movie-length clip it would take about 2 days for my poor computer to make a side-by-side version. And the resolution drop is quite noticeable.
post #1271 of 1566
All film is shot at 24 FPS. Not at 23.976 FPS. Many monitors are now designed to display at film rate. BluRay is standardized to eliminate the 2:3 conversion to video 29.94 by keeping the frame rate at 24 FPS. The video I make using a Sony Camcorder TD10 in 3D is converted to 23.976 because it is video and not film, although it is also possible to switch the camera into 2D mode at 24.0000 FPS. While I don't dismiss that some people here claim to see a single frame added at 42 seconds on this chip design. I find the playback just fine and I don't sell them. To me, the unit has far more destructive viewing issues and no time has been spent on them as we have spent ( IMO- wasted) on this extra frame every 42 seconds. Gosh, film converted to video displayed at video rates must drive you to an insane rage with it's added frames.

Hokey Smoke- If you really want a flawless 3D player of iso files, get an OPPO BD-93 before they change the firmware. It is indeed perfect. It's not that much more expensive than a Dune and this does 3D and Blu Ray disks!
post #1272 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

All film is shot at 24 FPS. Not at 23.976 FPS. Many monitors are now designed to display at film rate. BluRay is standardized to eliminate the 2:3 conversion to video 29.94 by keeping the frame rate at 24 FPS. The video I make using a Sony Camcorder TD10 in 3D is converted to 23.976 because it is video and not film, although it is also possible to switch the camera into 2D mode at 24.0000 FPS. While I don't dismiss that some people here claim to see a single frame added at 42 seconds on this chip design. I find the playback just fine and I don't sell them. To me, the unit has far more destructive viewing issues and no time has been spent on them as we have spent ( IMO- wasted) on this extra frame every 42 seconds. Gosh, film converted to video displayed at video rates must drive you to an insane rage with it's added frames.

Hokey Smoke- If you really want a flawless 3D player of iso files, get an OPPO BD-93 before they change the firmware. It is indeed perfect. It's not that much more expensive than a Dune and this does 3D and Blu Ray disks!

I've used 3 different players Icon bit,himedia, and Micca with my vip displayer, 3D ready H5360(120 Hz) and my 2D optoma HD7100(60 Hz). I have to date not noticed the judder problem in any files both iso and sbs.
it seems issues are with TV's that have 3D features built in. This to me is an interface issue associated with the application of players to a particular brand of TV. I don't dispute what some people are seeing, it's just part of the risk applying devices in the real world. i had a hell of a time in the beginning with the vip displayer working with any of my 2D projectors due to color space and sync issues that I had a little bit of luck by owning a HDFury2 which allowed me to convert HDMI to component which resolved my problem.
What I'm saying is that no piece of equipment is universal in its application. Return the equipment if it doesn't work for you and pursue another avenue.
post #1273 of 1566
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Originally Posted by mkoss View Post

i've used 3 different players icon bit,himedia, and micca with my vip displayer, 3d ready h5360(120 hz) and my 2d optoma hd7100(60 hz). I have to date not noticed the judder problem in any files both iso and sbs.
It seems issues are with tv's that have 3d features built in. This to me is an interface issue associated with the application of players to a particular brand of tv. I don't dispute what some people are seeing, it's just part of the risk applying devices in the real world. I had a hell of a time in the beginning with the vip displayer working with any of my 2d projectors due to color space and sync issues that i had a little bit of luck by owning a hdfury2 which allowed me to convert hdmi to component which resolved my problem.
What i'm saying is that no piece of equipment is universal in its application. Return the equipment if it doesn't work for you and pursue another avenue.

+1
post #1274 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

All film is shot at 24 FPS. Not at 23.976 FPS. Many monitors are now designed to display at film rate. BluRay is standardized to eliminate the 2:3 conversion to video 29.94 by keeping the frame rate at 24 FPS. The video I make using a Sony Camcorder TD10 in 3D is converted to 23.976 because it is video and not film, although it is also possible to switch the camera into 2D mode at 24.0000 FPS. While I don't dismiss that some people here claim to see a single frame added at 42 seconds on this chip design. I find the playback just fine and I don't sell them. To me, the unit has far more destructive viewing issues and no time has been spent on them as we have spent ( IMO- wasted) on this extra frame every 42 seconds. Gosh, film converted to video displayed at video rates must drive you to an insane rage with it's added frames.

Hokey Smoke- If you really want a flawless 3D player of iso files, get an OPPO BD-93 before they change the firmware. It is indeed perfect. It's not that much more expensive than a Dune and this does 3D and Blu Ray disks!

If we played back Blu-rays at 24Hz the audio would be out of sync. This is why the Realtek box inserts a frame every 1000 frames. The internal player is playing the clip at the correctly specified 23.976Hz (which is part of the m2ts container) to keep it in sync with the audio, but the video output is 24.00Hz.

Any monitor that can display 24Hz can also display 23.976Hz. It's part of the HDMI specification.
post #1275 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Don Landis View Post

Hokey Smoke- If you really want a flawless 3D player of iso files, get an OPPO BD-93 before they change the firmware. It is indeed perfect. It's not that much more expensive than a Dune and this does 3D and Blu Ray disks!

Oppo isn't going to support iso playback anymore.

Oppo only plays 3D from a locally connected hard drive, and can't play any 3D from a source over the lan.

What the Oppo did in the past it did well. But the above are some pretty substantial drawbacks that a properly working HiMedia 900 could outperform.

The discussion here about "stuttering," and whatever the next discussion that comes along serves as feedback to the vendors. If they can improve the device, they stand to make more money. We are doing them and ourselves a service. It's not whining. It's a form of feedback that might work.
post #1276 of 1566
How many versions of firmware have there been on the Oppo? 15 over the span of 14 months.

How many versions on the Dune? 15 over the span of 14 months as well.

How long has the HD900 been out?
post #1277 of 1566
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post

How many versions of firmware have there been on the Oppo? 15 over the span of 14 months.

How many versions on the Dune? 15 over the span of 14 months as well.

How long has the HD900 been out?

What processor does the oppo 93 use?
post #1278 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post


Oppo isn't going to support iso playback anymore.

Oppo only plays 3D from a locally connected hard drive, and can't play any 3D from a source over the lan.

What the Oppo did in the past it did well. But the above are some pretty substantial drawbacks that a properly working HiMedia 900 could outperform.

The discussion here about "stuttering," and whatever the next discussion that comes along serves as feedback to the vendors. If they can improve the device, they stand to make more money. We are doing them and ourselves a service. It's not whining. It's a form of feedback that might work.

You could look into the new Asus BDS-500/700 blu-ray/ media player.

Uses same chip as Oppo and is basically an Oppo clone.

It will play blu-ray/3D ISO from USB drives and stream other files via DLNA over network.

I waiting for mine....
post #1279 of 1566
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post

How many versions of firmware have there been on the Oppo? 15 over the span of 14 months.

How many versions on the Dune? 15 over the span of 14 months as well.

How long has the HD900 been out?

Here is a link to my compilation of firmware and dates. I count 15 already for the 900.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post21461204

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Originally Posted by mkoss View Post

What processor does the oppo 93 use?

Oppo uses Marvell's Kyoto-G2. See link below.
http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-93/

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Originally Posted by muad'dib View Post

You could look into the new Asus BDS-500/700 blu-ray/ media player.
Uses same chip as Oppo and is basically an Oppo clone.
It will play blu-ray/3D ISO from USB drives and stream other files via DLNA over network.
I waiting for mine....

According to the link below, there are no plans to sell this worldwide. Note that Oppo doesn't play 3D from a LAN based source. I think if they did try to sell this in the USA, they's have to remove the ability to pay 3D ISO from the hard drive, as Oppo now has to comply, due to licensing. Easy answer is to not sell in the USA. For the price of an Oppo, I get a 100% versatile HTPC that correctly plays anything I throw at it.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post21320526

Conclusion - If HiMedia 900 and similar boxes can get rid of the most annoying bugs, and also support the latest video 3D from AVCHD 2.0 camcorders, they'd have a tremendous sales.
post #1280 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Richard Adams View Post

Here is a link to my compilation of firmware and dates. I count 15 already for the 900.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post21461204

Oppo uses Marvell's Kyoto-G2. See link below.
http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-93/

According to the link below, there are no plans to sell this worldwide. Note that Oppo doesn't play 3D from a LAN based source. I think if they did try to sell this in the USA, they's have to remove the ability to pay 3D ISO from the hard drive, as Oppo now has to comply, due to licensing. Easy answer is to not sell in the USA. For the price of an Oppo, I get a 100% versatile HTPC that correctly plays anything I throw at it.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post21320526

Conclusion - If HiMedia 900 and similar boxes can get rid of the most annoying bugs, and also support the latest video 3D from AVCHD 2.0 camcorders, they'd have a tremendous sales.

It would be nice if dune used this chip or the 1500!
post #1281 of 1566
I was looking at the Popcorn Hour A-300 specs, and that model seems to only offer 1080p@24Hz. There is no 1080p@23.976 Hz mode like the Dunes have. So then would the Popcorn Hour players also have this stutter when playing 23.976 mkv or ISO files, like this player does?

In other words, is it essential that players actually have a specific 1080p@23.976 video output to prevent this stutter every 42 seconds, like the Dune, or do some players like the A-300 play 23.976 correctly even though the output is listed at 24Hz?

HokeySmoke, don't you have one of the Popcorn Hour players? Does your Popcorn Hour have an independent 23.976 video setting, or is it just 1080p@24Hz? Because I remember you saying that your Popcorn Hour plays 23.976 files stutter free. I'm trying to figure out if Popcorn Hour has some auto setting that correctly plays the files at 23.976 even when in 24Hz mode, or do some of their players have stutter issues like the HiMedia/Micca, if they don't have a 23.976 mode?
post #1282 of 1566
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I was looking at the Popcorn Hour A-300 specs, and that model seems to only offer 1080p@24Hz. There is no 1080p@23.976 Hz mode like the Dunes have. So then would the Popcorn Hour players also have this stutter when playing 23.976 mkv or ISO files, like this player does?

In other words, is it essential that players actually have a specific 1080p@23.976 video output to prevent this stutter every 42 seconds, like the Dune, or do some players like the A-300 play 23.976 correctly even though the output is listed at 24Hz?

HokeySmoke, don't you have one of the Popcorn Hour players? Does your Popcorn Hour have an independent 23.976 video setting, or is it just 1080p@24Hz? Because I remember you saying that your Popcorn Hour plays 23.976 files stutter free. I'm trying to figure out if Popcorn Hour has some auto setting that correctly plays the files at 23.976 even when in 24Hz mode, or do some of their players have stutter issues like the HiMedia/Micca, if they don't have a 23.976 mode?

I had a pch-a300, and I didn't have a problem playing 23.976 movies. I only had issues with the HD sound dropping, and having to use the secondary AC3 track to get the sound back.
post #1283 of 1566
Well that doesn't sound too pleasant either. I've been reading about that player having a few pretty big issues on their own forum (subtitle sync seems like a big issue there). Otherwise it seemed like a great player.
post #1284 of 1566
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

Well that doesn't sound too pleasant either. I've been reading about that player having a few pretty big issues on their own forum (subtitle sync seems like a big issue there). Otherwise it seemed like a great player.

Get a Dune!
post #1285 of 1566
has there been any news on the new dune players lately.
keenly waiting on one
post #1286 of 1566
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Originally Posted by DiabloZoe View Post

Get a Dune!

Lol, I know, I know...

Seriously I am looking at the Smart D1. But I am looking at the new Popcorn Hours too, like the A-300. I like that they have USB 3.0, and gigabit. Nice interface too. But the lack of a dedicated 23.976 mode like the Dune makes me wonder if it should be an option. If the A-300 handles 23.976 correctly then that's great, but it makes me wonder why the Dunes have a 23.976 mode if the Popcorn Hour doesn't have one but plays correctly anyways.
post #1287 of 1566
My Popcorn Hour A-110 has a specific 23.976Hz mode. It is certainly possible to auto-detect the exact frame rate, so there is not necessarily a need for a specific mode. Of course, if you don't do the auto-detection correctly, then it is needed.
post #1288 of 1566
please guys this thread id for Himedia 900 not for dune/popcorn

keep on topic

BHH
post #1289 of 1566
The first post in this trhead suggests that 2D is being output at 23.98hz - the correct framerate and it is only 3D that is not being output correctly - is this true or have I misread it. Thanks
post #1290 of 1566
afaik (and as far as i tested) is outputting 24p for 2d too...

BHH
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