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post #1291 of 1566
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys, I'll update the first post.
post #1292 of 1566
My Radiance was reporting 23.98 for 2D and 24.00 for 3D. Unless something has changed in recent firmware. Haven't played with this player for a while though.
post #1293 of 1566
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Originally Posted by buzzqw View Post

please guys this thread id for Himedia 900 not for dune/popcorn

keep on topic

BHH

I am keeping on topic. I am trying to clarify if other players who do not have an independent 23.976 mode also suffer the same 23.976 stutter as this player does, or does a player require a specific 23.976 mode to avoid the stutter. From what I'm hearing, some Popcorn Hours do not have a specific 23.976 mode, yet still output 23.976 material correctly due to it being able to detect and put out 23.976 material, even though there is no specific 23.976 video mode. But then like the Dunes, the Popcorn Hours use a Sigma chip, which handles 23.976 correctly. This player uses a Realtek which does not. This is relevant to the stuttering discussion.
post #1294 of 1566
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Originally Posted by mattmarsden View Post

The first post in this trhead suggests that 2D is being output at 23.98hz - the correct framerate and it is only 3D that is not being output correctly - is this true or have I misread it. Thanks

Both 2D and 3D are being output incorrectly when the material is encoded at 23.976, and as such both formats have the 23.976 stutter issue.
post #1295 of 1566
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post


Lol, I know, I know...

Seriously I am looking at the Smart D1. But I am looking at the new Popcorn Hours too, like the A-300. I like that they have USB 3.0, and gigabit. Nice interface too. But the lack of a dedicated 23.976 mode like the Dune makes me wonder if it should be an option. If the A-300 handles 23.976 correctly then that's great, but it makes me wonder why the Dunes have a 23.976 mode if the Popcorn Hour doesn't have one but plays correctly anyways.

I know there is some talk in the dune thread about the a300 being way to buggy! You can check DBones blog on his review on the a300
post #1296 of 1566
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Originally Posted by DiabloZoe View Post

I know there is some talk in the dune thread about the a300 being way to buggy! You can check DBones blog on his review on the a300

You can also go straight to the user-to-user forum:
http://networkedmediatank.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=116
post #1297 of 1566
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Originally Posted by DiabloZoe View Post

I know there is some talk in the dune thread about the a300 being way to buggy! You can check DBones blog on his review on the a300

I used to owned the A300. It is a good player but the internal NMJ (jukebox) sucks. It won't let you do any editing, and every movie that had True HD sound would lose sound. I had to change it to a secondary AC3 sound track to get the sound back.

Furthermore, every media player with USB 3.0 is use as a slave only. Meaning you can connected to the PC to transfer files, which is useless to me since I have a dedicated media server.

After testing the PCH-A300 and Mede8er MED500X2 (which is a good player, but my wife didn't like it), I end up buying a Dune D1 and using Zappiti.
post #1298 of 1566
Thanks to everyone for the info - I think it's funny how no matter what I look into for a media player, I keep getting led back to the Dune. Must be a reason for that.

Too bad about the buggy A300, I love the illuminated remote. And the USB slave 3.0 would be great for fast copying of files from my pc.

I still think this player could have been great if it wasn't as buggy as it is.
post #1299 of 1566
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post


I still think this player could have been great if it wasn't as buggy as it is.

You could probably say that about many of the players out there
post #1300 of 1566
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Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post

You could probably say that about many of the players out there

Nail on the head. You have to find a player that currently works in the manner you require with the features that are important to you. ALL the players have their pros and cons.
post #1301 of 1566
I agree. If I can find a player without any major issues, I can deal with smaller problems.

What I can't deal with is major flaws like framerate problems.
post #1302 of 1566
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

I agree. If I can find a player without any major issues, I can deal with smaller problems.

What I can't deal with is major flaws like framerate problems.

The program that you use to make the files with come into play! Case in point I backed up X2 with pave tubes bytecopy and just recently watched the movie, it had some stutter to it, I re backed it up with Fab and there is no stutter!
post #1303 of 1566
Just tested the player a bit again with the latest firmware

Definitely doing 2D blurays at 24.00
Curious what they are doing with the firmware.

In earlier firmware versions, 2D was definitely running at 23.98
3D has always been 24.00 AFAIK
I had been watching this awhile to see if 3D would get fixed - missed the last couple of versions. Now they are making negative progress. At least I know the player can do 23.98
post #1304 of 1566
23.976 has always stuttered for me with both the Iconbit and the Micca, running both the Micca and HiMedia firmwares. It never played 23.976 correctly.
post #1305 of 1566
How are you guys confirming 23.976 vs 24, do you actually have a video processor in between your HiMedia and TV which displays what is being output? I am curious if this affects the 1185 chips as well
post #1306 of 1566
Just to make sure I was not imagining things, I experimented with reverting to previous firmware versions to see what was happening.

On version 1.0.1.13, 2D is displayed correctly at 23.98
From at least 1.0.2.16 to the latest 1.0.3.8 it is 24.00
3D has always been 24.00

Here is a screenshot from 1.0.1.13



Here is one from 1.0.3.8



(Note: these are just for demonstration on my non-24p capable, non-3D capable LCD) I am sticking with my Dune for 2D, and Oppo BDP-93 for 3D for the time being.

For those who want to play with proper 23.98:
http://dl.himedia-tech.cn/HD900B/HD900_1.0.1.13.tar.gz
post #1307 of 1566
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Originally Posted by cal87 View Post

Just to make sure I was not imagining things, I experimented with reverting to previous firmware versions to see what was happening.

On version 1.0.1.13, 2D is displayed correctly at 23.98
From at least 1.0.2.16 to the latest 1.0.3.8 it is 24.00
3D has always been 24.00



(Note: these are just for demonstration on my non-24p capable, non-3D capable LCD) I am sticking with my Dune for 2D, and Oppo BDP-93 for 3D for the time being.

For those who want to play with proper 23.98:
http://dl.himedia-tech.cn/HD900B/HD900_1.0.1.13.tar.gz

Interesting, the 2D has not been consistent, while the 3D is always the non-compliant 24p rate that makes this unit fail to deliver 23.976 3D correctly. I wonder if anybody responsible for QA on this firmware is reading this, and if there is any chance they can include the 1080i60-3D in the firmware. The 1080i60-3D complies with specification AVCHD 2.0.
post #1308 of 1566
What confuses me is then why did my Iconbit also not play 23.976 correctly? That is how I ended up with the Micca - I saw the stuttering with the Iconbit and returned it and bought the Micca instead. Every firmware version I tried with the Micca (including the HiMedia firmwares) all stuttered. For the HiMedia firmware, I tried 1.0.3.5 and 1.0.3.8, and those stuttered, as with all the Micca firmwares to date I have tried. I also still have the HiMedia 1.0.0.26 firmware but I don't remember now if I actually used it or not, or if I went straight to the 1.0.3.5.
post #1309 of 1566
Okey, lot of pages and diffrent info.

I need to play normal and 3D bluray + MKV files etc from my PC. Is this box working properly or is it just ****?

I can't stand if the movie are stuttering, or the box only takes "some" iso's etc, and if the 3D is ghosting.

I'm only considering this box becouse my new powerful PC with Nvidia does not support DTS MA and Dolby TrueHD
post #1310 of 1566
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

What confuses me is then why did my Iconbit also not play 23.976 correctly? That is how I ended up with the Micca - I saw the stuttering with the Iconbit and returned it and bought the Micca instead. Every firmware version I tried with the Micca (including the HiMedia firmwares) all stuttered. For the HiMedia firmware, I tried 1.0.3.5 and 1.0.3.8, and those stuttered, as with all the Micca firmwares to date I have tried. I also still have the HiMedia 1.0.0.26 firmware but I don't remember now if I actually used it or not, or if I went straight to the 1.0.3.5.

At least for 2D we know that 24fps is not a hardware limitation. It is likely that different vendors have used different playback rates for 2D through their own version of firmware they release.

Since all of the 3D playback has been 24fps, it is not yet known if these boxes can do that correctly at 23.976.
post #1311 of 1566
I already update the latest firmware. How to use the BT function. I already turn on it but when i type the ip adress on pc it only prompt out page A simple html+cgi example.
post #1312 of 1566
Admittedly, I didn't read every post in this thread, but I did skim through every page.

So is my understanding correct that this device still isn't ready for primetime with regard to framepacked 3D ISO playback?

It's a shame because I'm starting to get fed up with my HTPC. As much as I love XBMC, it's such a hassle if I want to watch framepacked 3D ISOs - switching out of XBMC, mounting the ISO, and playing it in the FAR inferior TotalMedia Theater, or even just loading an external player. But it sounds like this device would just introduce me to a whole other slew if problems?

So it seems there are no viable alternatives out there either? I haven't seen much on the new XTreamer NMT.

Another question, do any of these media streamers allow setting up "profiles" like XBMC, where I can set up a separate profile for say, my daughter, where she would only see her items?
post #1313 of 1566
Thread Starter 
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So is my understanding correct that this device still isn't ready for primetime with regard to framepacked 3D ISO playback?

Don't think that's right; depends on what you want. If it's playback of framepacked 3D ISO's w/o menus, it's quite capable. Yes, there are some issues like forced subs not showing up and incorrect frame rate for 23.976 content, but to me they aren't showstoppers, rather small annoyances.
post #1314 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Don't think that's right; depends on what you want. If it's playback of framepacked 3D ISO's w/o menus, it's quite capable. Yes, there are some issues like forced subs not showing up and incorrect frame rate for 23.976 content, but to me they aren't showstoppers, rather small annoyances.

That means that it isn't ready
post #1315 of 1566
Thread Starter 
What streamer is?
post #1316 of 1566
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

What streamer is?

None of the 1186 chips are. I love my Dune and AIOS though . They play everything I've got with no stuttering or lost of sound .
post #1317 of 1566
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

None of the 1186 chips are. I love my Dune and AIOS though . They play everything I've got with no stuttering or lost of sound .

Do they play framepacked 3D ISOs?
post #1318 of 1566
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Originally Posted by ScoHo View Post

Do they play framepacked 3D ISOs?

No they don't but the Dune does play SBS and with the 10 to 15 3d movies that are out and worth watching the output is quite nice along without the headache you will receive with this player! My suggestion to the original op is to make sure you have a good return policy!
post #1319 of 1566
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

None of the 1186 chips are. I love my Dune and AIOS though . They play everything I've got with no stuttering or lost of sound .

it's obvious you don't have any bluray 3D frame packed iso's
post #1320 of 1566
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Originally Posted by DiabloZoe View Post

No they don't but the Dune does play SBS and with the 10 to 15 3d movies that are out ...

See the following thread for 99 3D Blu-ray titles that have been released so far.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1235684
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