CES 2012 - what to expect?

Originally Posted by Fjodor2000

So it's only about 2-3 months until the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) where most new TV models for 2012 will be presented. Exciting!

What are your expectations for the 2012 models? What new features and picture improvements do you think we will see?

My guesses:

* 4k resolution (3840 x 2160)
* TV:s that can record to a USB disk while allowing you to watch another channel (today you can only watch the channel being recorded)
* 3D TVs which do not require 3D glasses
* LED backlit TVs with more local dimming zones
* OLED TVs reaching up to ?? inches in size

Do you agree? And do you predict any other new improvements?

Please share your opinions!

Originally Posted by rogo

Passive, full-res 3D-TVs.

Originally Posted by rogo

Bigger Panasonic plasmas.

Originally Posted by Nujacc

If the 85" Panasonic Plasma(TH-85VX200) Cost $30k, weighs 270lbs, and consumes 1400W of power, what makes you think they can magically, produce a 100" Plasma for $10k, I doubt you can even sell a consumer T.V. in California & Canada, that sucks up that much electricity, Panasonic is going to have to come up with a lot of innovations it the next 2 months to reach that threshold. I could have sworn a few years ago, most of the Flat Panel industry analysis, concluded Plasma would always be cheaper to produce and be more profitable at larger sizes than LCD(50">)and how come Samsung & LG cant mass produce and actually sell large sizes like Sharp, there are after all the Industry leaders in Flat Panel sales, why is Sharp the only ones capable of going Big.

Originally Posted by walford

What technology (s) do you expect the full resolution 3D-TVs to use?

Originally Posted by Fjodor2000

What about LCD panels with better contrast, black levels, uniformity and viewing angles? Has anyone heard anything about such improvements coming in 2012?

Originally Posted by Fjodor2000;

What about LCD panels with better contrast, black levels, uniformity and viewing angles? Has anyone heard anything about such improvements coming in 2012?

Originally Posted by vilfrard

I'm hoping for 4k lite enabled tv's and for a 90" lcd tv to be announced at a price point below 8k.

Originally Posted by 8mile13

The Elite Pro has better contrast, black levels, uniformity and viewing angles. Will take a year till Plasma/LCd Manufacturers will response(lets just hope they do!).

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95;

Or they wont. Your talking a price point that is 30 to 50% higher then anything Sony and Samsung currently offer. They may decide to let Elite live up there in the stratosphere and continue to improve their current products year over year. The 929 is a fantastic set, is the Elite worth twice as much? My guess is even to videophile's like us we'd say probably not in most cases. Obviously, some will feel it is worth it, but I can buy a TV now and another set in five years for what the Elite cost today.

I also think we'll continue to see downward price pressure on all these sets and the 929 may well be around the 2k to 2.2k street price by early next year.

Originally Posted by malichai

Hope that includes some 100" plasmas for under $10k. I'd happily take that in one of those Sharp Elite LCDs too.

Originally Posted by sintech

Well, I have bad news for you. Looks like plasmas are on their way out. Sharp has raised the bar with their Elite line and LCDs are starting to put pricing pressure on the plasmas. Combine that with the Energy Star requirement hurting plasma in the larger sizes, I think plasmas might only have another 2-3 years left.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...79I8A420111020

Originally Posted by 8mile13

Several reviewers noticed blooming/haloing and poor off angle performance. I own a xbr8, maybee i will buy another Local Dimming but it will not be a blooming/haloing poor off angle performance one like the HX929. I do most of my TV watching in the dark so the blooming/haloing poor off angle performance thing is more noticeable/anoying, for someone like me the Elite Pro would be the better choice( two problems: i do not want a yellow subpixel LCd, I like the Sony approach).
Sony needs to do better. Maybee the Elite Pro is the kick in the back.

Kevin Miller http://www.cnet.com/8705-4_1-0.html?...ag=mncol;tback

Chad B http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1891

Originally Posted by sintech

Well, I have bad news for you. Looks like plasmas are on their way out. Sharp has raised the bar with their Elite line and LCDs are starting to put pricing pressure on the plasmas. Combine that with the Energy Star requirement hurting plasma in the larger sizes, I think plasmas might only have another 2-3 years left.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...79I8A420111020

Originally Posted by walford

Which Plasma models are you referring to with Energy Star 4 problems?
See the ES 4 values in the following link.

http://downloads.energystar.gov/bi/q..._prod_list.pdf

Originally Posted by 8mile13

The Elite Pro has better contrast, black levels, uniformity and viewing angles. Will take a year till Plasma/LCd Manufacturers will response(lets just hope they do!).

Originally Posted by sintech

Largest on that list I could find was the panny 50" at around 100W, but I think the 85" was around 1200W. California was supposed to be tightening its standards on energy consumption. Don't know how it all works, but a would guess the larger 60"-80" sizes would have real trouble meeting the guidelines in the future. I know the 50" panny I have can help warm the room on a summer day.