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post #1051 of 1994
On a side note the 8-4 Play podcast is calling for Sony to fail this generation after the WiiU. The reason is the start up Ouya type consoles being just enough for the gamer that's satisfied with the mobile gaming environment. MS and Sony may lose that segment of the market and never get it back. It is a big piece. By fail they mean not become dominant like PS2. The show in general is worth a listen if you're tired of the dudebro, multiplayer, zealot, podcasts as they are translation guys in Japan.
post #1052 of 1994
I don't see the Ouya being huge outside of the US for some time, and outside the US is whats led Sony to surpase the 360 this Gen. China just opened itself to relaxing ti's restrictions on video games and consoles specifically, and thats going to be a huge market if MS/Sony can make inroads there.

It's interesting, but I think it'll be directly competing with the steam box more than MS/Sony.
post #1053 of 1994
They mentioned that too. The big point was it's "good enough" for many who have a 360 and PS3 this time but have moved that upgrade money into phones and tablets.
post #1054 of 1994
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

On a side note the 8-4 Play podcast is calling for Sony to fail this generation after the WiiU. The reason is the start up Ouya type consoles being just enough for the gamer that's satisfied with the mobile gaming environment. MS and Sony may lose that segment of the market and never get it back. It is a big piece. By fail they mean not become dominant like PS2. The show in general is worth a listen if you're tired of the dudebro, multiplayer, zealot, podcasts as they are translation guys in Japan.

Mobile gaming is pathetic. I was hooked at first, but they get really boring really fast. Now I don't even play any games on my phone. But, I still use my PS3. I see no way mobile overtakes consoles any time soon. If you care at all about games, mobile just doesn't cut it.

And you have to realize that mobile games are so popular because they're usually free. Free always sells well.
post #1055 of 1994
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Mobile gaming is pathetic. I was hooked at first, but they get really boring really fast. Now I don't even play any games on my phone. But, I still use my PS3. I see no way mobile overtakes consoles any time soon. If you care at all about games, mobile just doesn't cut it.

And you have to realize that mobile games are so popular because they're usually free. Free always sells well.

Exactly why Ouya is a possible contender in that space. Part of it's TOS are part of the games must be free. 100 dollar console with microtransactions is right up the alley of the kids. It isn't for me but the segment is real and it's where they spend their money.

They didn't say it would kill consoles but it's very conceivable that the people into mobile will leave. It's to blame for the "failed" Vita not performing in the handheld because we already have a handheld.
post #1056 of 1994
One of the ouya devs compared it's graphics to the PS2. If that's what people want, more power to them. I'll take next uncharted or Killzone over that any day.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/01/ouya-developers-sound-off/
post #1057 of 1994
Just a bit of info on one of the things Gaikai will be used for. Obviously their should be a heck of a lot more things involved with Gaikai that wont be mentioned until the 20th of February.
http://gematsu.com/2013/02/nikkei-ps4-to-utilize-gaikai-have-expanded-social-features
post #1058 of 1994
If I had to guess then I'd say Sony will release 2 versions of the PS4, high end version priced @ $499 with stuff like more storage, an SSD, PSN+ subscription..etc, while the other bare bones version will be priced at $399.

I don't see Sony making the mistake of releasing a $600 system again and at the same time I don't see them releasing it for less than $399, if the Final Fantasy next gen tech demo graphics and physics turned out to be easily achievable on the PS4, then the $399 price tag will be more than justifiable and people will be just greedy wanting it for less.

I personally would prefer if they released one version of the console, IIRC both PS2 and PS1 did that (at least I don't remember choosing between stuff when I got them at launch), it's just less confusing in general and makes the console feel more appealing IMO, maybe a $449 price tag would be the sweet spot for one version of the console instead of several.
post #1059 of 1994
Nikkei mentioning Gaikai integration will be revealed. Follows what I suspected would happen. Looks like the new PS+ is gonna really expand, though I imagine some of the services will be available for free.

There will probably be an expensive and cheaper version at launch. The cheaper will probably have some flash like the EU PS3 basic does now, with a more expensive version having a HDD (not SSD), hopefully you're still able to add your own storage.
post #1060 of 1994
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

The price in Yen is never a direct conversion to a US price. The US price is almost always cheaper than the Yen conversion so $399 is the likely price based on this rumor.
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It''s a guess. The vita was cheaper in the US and the Japanese price contains consumption tax.

It'll be amazing if the super low price happens, even though the report still said it would cost more than 40K yen. Hopefully we find out on the 20th instead of E3. In fact, if you guys are right and there is a $400 option without a forced subscription, to celebrate I'll give you each my two remaining 1-month PS+ codes.
post #1061 of 1994
I think I have a spare code as well... Never use them since I don't link a CC to my account. Plus is awesome though, almost had it for 2 years now.
post #1062 of 1994
Not only will it cost $400, it'll be out in September before the nextbox, and itll play every PS3 game without issue.

We should organize a predictions poll and declare a winner on the 20th. tongue.gif
post #1063 of 1994
Its been so long since anything new was close to being tangible. My geek side is all jacked up and ready to go.

Here's MY hope. Regardless of what the innards are, I sincerely hope the overall execution of the hardware is on par with the class and refinement of the PS3 Slim; I don't want the quality of the super slim for the PS4.
post #1064 of 1994
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One of the ouya devs compared it's graphics to the PS2. If that's what people want, more power to them. I'll take next uncharted or Killzone over that any day.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/01/ouya-developers-sound-off/

There's a market for that. The ones that think Infinity Blade is a console experience on a handheld and that Angry Birds is better than Mario ever was. It only takes a quick browse thorough the mobile threads off in Android land to see it. Like I said it isn't for I need more geebees and the wifis.

On the same podcast they mentioned Nintendo has stated they won't allow the "cloud" to kill consoles. It was a really good discussion involving the direction of the others and latency issues. For example certain genres being better for "cloud" like JRPG style stuff over Street Fighter. At any rate a great podcast and it helps keep me interested in where things are going.

http://8-4.jp/blog/?lang=en

The 1-11-2013 episode is the one I'm talking about.
post #1065 of 1994
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$399 sounds good.

via the verge
It's nice to get some affirmation from time to time. wink.gif
post #1066 of 1994
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Not only will it cost $400, it'll be out in September before the nextbox, and itll play every PS3 game without issue.

We should organize a predictions poll and declare a winner on the 20th. tongue.gif

I really hope it just does PS4 titles and whatever on PSN.
post #1067 of 1994
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I really hope it just does PS4 titles and whatever on PSN.

I bet the transition will be effortless - just hit the PS store day one, go through your previous downloads list, and just download it all onto your new PS4. Anything less and they're ****ing up.
post #1068 of 1994
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It's nice to get some affirmation from time to time. wink.gif

It's not affirmation, it's speculation. The article isn't claiming to know for a fact what the price is, only that it is expected to be over 40K yen (>$428).

Back to another point made above about the prices from Japan not being a strict translation to the U.S. - if true, that still means the price point is most likely higher than people think. Instead of >$428, let's say it translates into >$400. That again points to it releasing for more than $400. We'll see though.
post #1069 of 1994
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I bet the transition will be effortless - just hit the PS store day one, go through your previous downloads list, and just download it all onto your new PS4. Anything less and they're ****ing up.

That better work. I don't care if a PS3 disc works though. It would be cool if you could get a digital version of PS3 games you own already but I don't feel that's happening. I want all the same media capabilities too without any slipping behind PS+ live 360 does. I enjoy those features and use them nearly daily. The 20th can't get here fast enough, really. Hopefully they have some titles lined up. I suspect Last Guardian is now a PS4 title.
post #1070 of 1994
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That better work. I don't care if a PS3 disc works though. It would be cool if you could get a digital version of PS3 games you own already but I don't feel that's happening. I want all the same media capabilities too without any slipping behind PS+ live 360 does. I enjoy those features and use them nearly daily. The 20th can't get here fast enough, really. Hopefully they have some titles lined up. I suspect Last Guardian is now a PS4 title.

PS3 code is PS3 code, so if it works for PSN, it'll work for discs. A trade in program isn't absolutely out of the question either, although I think its unlikely. It wouldn't cost too much to "convert" your discs to the digital versions after reselling them though.
post #1071 of 1994
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Latest PS4 article translated from Japanese news agency Nikkei:
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The new console will use cloud-based gaming technology Sony obtained when it acquired Gaikai last summer, the Nikkei newspaper reported Thursday. Gaikai, located in California, runs services allowing gamers to play titles on their computers or game consoles that are hosted on remote servers.

The new console will be called the "PlayStation 4" for now and will be on shelves by the end of the year, according to the Kyodo News agency. Sony will reveal the console at a press event due to take place later this month in New York City.

Sony will abandon the "Cell" processor it developed together with Toshiba and IBM for use in the current PlayStation 3, using a chip developed by a third party instead, the Nikkei said.

If that last part is true and there is no Cell chip in the next console, that slams the door on day one backwards compatibility being part of the PS4 itself.

Software emulation can't alone replace the Cell. The only options I suppose is to either do something with Gaikai streaming (requiring a farm of PS3-like machines with Cell chips), and/or sell a separate BC gadget to attach to the PS4 for a price like, maybe, $100).

Having the Cell natively reside inside of each PS4 would have increased the price when Sony clearly wants it to be as cheap (and eventually profitable) as soon as possible. Besides the processor, they would have had to include all kinds of tech changes to accommodate the space and extra power/heat requirements. It goes against the point of having an all-in-one APU.

If they don't do any of that, then hanging on to the PS3 to play current gen games is the only option I guess.
Edited by joeblow - 2/7/13 at 9:38am
post #1072 of 1994
I remember getting a survey in the mail from Sony way back in early PS2 days. I ticked every box on it for "what would you like to see in the next...or how important is X to you in a game console." The PS3 had all those things.
post #1073 of 1994
Maybe the SPEs are too fast for pure CPU emulation, but Im sure GPGPU code can handle all of that no problem. If anyone knows how to write an emulator, its Sony.
post #1074 of 1994
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

Latest PS4 article translated from Japanese news agency Nikkei:
If that last part is true and there is no Cell chip in the next console, that slams the door on day one backwards compatibility being part of the PS4 itself.

Software emulation can't alone replace the Cell. The only options I suppose are is whether they do something with Gaikai (requiring a farm of PS3-like machines with Cell chips), and/or sell a separate BC gadget to attach to the PS4 for a price like, maybe, $100).

Having the Cell natively reside inside of each PS4 would have increased the price when Sony clearly wants it to be as cheap (and eventually profitable) as soon as possible. Besides the processor, they would have had to include all kinds of tech changes to accommodate the space and extra power/heat requirements. It goes against the point of having an all-in-one APU.

If they don't do that, then hanging on to the PS3 to play current gen games is the only option I guess.

Both Durango/PS4 will feature X86 cpu's which are much different than the PS3's Cell and 360's Xenon respective cpu's.Sony going with AMD instead of Nvidia for the gpu will mean that backwards compatibility will either happen to certain number of games ala software emulation like what MS did on the 360 or use Gaikai and stream the PS3 game catalog as another possibility.One of the rumors I read is that Durango will feature an Xbox 360 SOC for full BC which would be great if its true at all..Either way, both next-gen rivals will be launching this year in America with a possible 2014 release in Europe.
post #1075 of 1994
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I think I have a spare code as well... Never use them since I don't link a CC to my account. Plus is awesome though, almost had it for 2 years now.
I also don't use a credit card in general for this kind of stuff. However, you can delete the CC info seconds after you input the code.
post #1076 of 1994
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Maybe the SPEs are too fast for pure CPU emulation, but Im sure GPGPU code can handle all of that no problem. If anyone knows how to write an emulator, its Sony.

Would you be willing to pay an extra $100 or so (on top of the PS4 price) for a BC add-on device that plays back 98% of the PS3 games?
post #1077 of 1994
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

So would you be willing to pay an extra $100 or so (on top of the PS4 price) for a BC add-on device?

I personally would, but I just don't think it's going to come to that. The idea of the PS4 not playing PS3 games on day one is preposterous to me. If they need hardware to do it, that's a cost they'll have to eat until their first revision, then they can cut it out like they did with the slim.

However costly or challenging it is for them, this is basic functionality, and its the status quo. Consoles ship with BC.
post #1078 of 1994
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I personally would, but I just don't think it's going to come to that. The idea of the PS4 not playing PS3 games on day one is preposterous to me. If they need hardware to do it, that's a cost they'll have to eat until their first revision, then they can cut it out like they did with the slim.

However costly or challenging it is for them, this is basic functionality, and its the status quo. Consoles ship with BC.

Both MS and Sony will not release their respective next-gen consoles at $600 bucks and you can't expect Sony to have full BC.Considering the fact that they went with a different gpu maker for the PS4 which will make HW based BC very hard to accomplish.What will most likely happen is either software based BC ala Xbox 360 or use Gaikai to stream the PS3 library to PS4.
post #1079 of 1994
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Originally Posted by CoreGamer30 View Post

Both MS and Sony will not release their respective next-gen consoles at $600 bucks and you can't expect Sony to have full BC.Considering the fact that they went with a different gpu maker for the PS4 which will make HW based BC very hard to accomplish.What will most likely happen is either software based BC ala Xbox 360 or use Gaikai to stream the PS3 library to PS4.

Every console with BC (which is literally every console in recent history) has had to manage the same issues. 360, GBA, DS, 3DS, Wii, Wii U, PS2, PS3, Vita....they all had challenges and they all overcame them. Not a single one of them required the user to buy an addon (except for the sega genesis), and most solutions did require the manufacturer to eat some extra cost of hardware (cartridge/controller ports, CPU/GPU). It can be costly, but its worth every cent to them.

This isn't a new challenge for anyone. I'm sure there's a bean counter somewhere telling them that they can save X amount of money by cutting BC, and then someone with common sense overrules them and reminds the room how essential a feature it is, when they're managing the transition to a new generation. They've figured it out before, they'll figure it out again.
post #1080 of 1994
If you have a PS3 why then does the PS4 HAVE to be BC (yes, i know people want shelf space). If you need to play PS3 games, then just use your PS3. I have a PSP and bought a Vita day one with NO BC for UMD's and it has not affected me one bit. I don't buy next gen hardware to play last gen games. I never played PS2 games on my PS3 or Xbox games on my 360. As far as I am concerned it's time to move on and turn the page on last gen hardware/games when the new consoles come out.
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