Originally Posted by metallicaband
Are you guys really that concerned about what will happen to a digital video game after 10-15 years if the PSN got shut down or something? Just enjoy the moment I'd say and to hell what will happen till then, who knows if we'll even be alive..
Originally Posted by confidenceman
Yes. The reason I'm willing to buy digital music and movies and games from places like the App Store and Steam is because they've established a strong precedent for continued support. That's no guarantee, but it is a reassurance.
Sony, on the other hand, is effectively giving us a time limit for our purchases. And it sets a very bad precedent for any future digital purchases from them. If you're given the option between buying an identical game for "five years" or "as long as our well-established and long-running network exists," which would you choose?
I have not bought any PSN games for the reasons given. If I'm paying money for a game, I want to own the game NOT rent it. Need to have trust that my digital version will still be supported down the line. I've bought a few android apps because they've established that I can use them on future devices. Worried about this ability, I chose not to buy PSN games on my PS3. I would imagine they will stop supporting those games within at most 5-10 years. They what? You essentially paid for a game rental? I'd prefer to be able to use my PS3 (and 1&2 for that matter) discs in my PS4, but at least by having the physical disc, I am assured that I can at least continue to play them on my PS3 in the future. And if people are correct and Sony essentially takes those purchased games away by not supporting them on the PS3 and not allowing them to be used on PS4, you can bet that will hamper my decision(and I'd imagine many others) in trusting that they won't do the same for PS4 titles. If they people get the shaft with their digital PS3 games, why would people like myself want to trust them and buy digital games on the PS4? Smells like another strike against the PS4 here if true..
Just want to clarify- I actually DO like Sony and grew up on the original Playstation. I also had the PS2, and currently the PS3. I AM extremely excited for the PS4, and as much as I may criticize aspects of it, whine because certain things aren't the way I want them, or argue about
"discuss the importance of" specs and features, I will almost certainly buy the PS4. I've grown up with the dualshock controller and have never had any build quality issues or system crashes (RROD/YLOD). There are a handful of things I'd like to see on the PS4, but I fully realize it's a business that doesn't revolve around me. Sony would need to omit a few key features and come out with a significantly inferior product then MS for me to honestly consider MS.
Everyone often focuses on what a console "Can't" do, and seldom appreciate what it can. They showed us a console that has 8 GB GDDR5. It will almost certainly play 3-D blu-rays, and almost certainly will offer some form of 4k resolution. I realize this is a home theater forum, but did anyone else see the videos of the games they ran at the show? According to most credible sources including imagic, these games were played at over 1080p, possibly 4k, and on 4k, 3D capable gear. These games weren't tetris either. There was some pretty impressive stuff there. They looked amazing even from a shoddy streaming live feed. Besides the capabilities of the actual console, these developers showed some pretty promised, mostly fresh material. Knack looked like a very well done platformer and really looked fun to play- and I don't typically get into that genre. It looks like Killzone fans should be happy with Shadow Fall. The details and people in it really seemd impressive. The details in the graphics in Driveclub were intriguing and I can't wait to learn more about it's multiplayer/club format. inFamous:Second Sun looked interesting. The Witness looks to have a lot of potential- another game in a genre I don't typically get into, but still got my attention. Deep Down, Agni's Philosophy, and Final Fantasy all look promising as well. I would imagine there will be many Diablo fans excited for it being available on PS3/PS4- not only now, but for potential future offering from Blizzard. One of the biggest Xbox exclusives this gen was the Halo series, so I think it is AWESOME that Bungie will be bringing Halo 5
Destiny to the PS4. Halo was the biggest reason for most and only reason for many people getting the Xbox. It is the only game that almost convinced me to get xbox.. almost. Having them on PS4 should help get A LOT of xbox users to switch to Sony. But for me, the game with the most promise yesterday was Watch Dogs. It looked spectacular. As a traditional open world game, it looked stunning. It was smooth, the lighting land shadows looked great, there was some exceptional attention to details. Choosing a weapon/menu interface looked easily usable. I can't wait to learn more about this title. There is so much going on on the screen and the various sounds seemed to flow well together. The ability to switch to that black, digital screen to easily see available interactions looks to be well done. (Not sure what this is called, but have seen it used in varius levels of success on other games) With so much going on, it makes it easier to see what interactions and options are available...and it appears to be A LOT. When the actual gameplay first starts in the trailer, it shows that the loading screen is actually his phone, and the camera zooms out to show the scene... Is this a sign that it will give the option of using an actual smartphone to interact with the game? There was a lot going on and a lot of extremely fast reactions- were some of them made via a phone? Interesting possibilities.. Just the whole game concept was promising. It wasn't in an actual mission, yet there were so many possible interactions and I assume paths for the game to take. Is it possible to make the game what you want it to be in a whole new sense? Can you play an ethical character and choose to help people with your powers, like a rob from the undeserving to give to those that are (like the homeless vet in the vid?) or choose to cause complete chaos and use your powers for crime and control? I don't know, but I've never seen something of this genre and I'm very interested to see what they do with it. And how bout that remote!!! The two biggest complaints from the DS3 are that the thumbsticks are too close and designed poorly AND that the L2 and R2 are poorly shaped. The DS4 appears to have corrected both of these issues. The thumbsticks look to be slightly further apart, with a deeper angle on the "handles" which will keep thumbs on the triggers as well as prevent thumbs from hitting each other that some complain about. The L2 and R2 buttons appear to have a subtly "trigger" shape to them that looks to be shaped just right. I'm fallen in love with the previous dualshock controllers, so was worried about any changes, but it appears all they've done is IMPROVE. Additional changes include a share button (not something I see myself using, but can certainly see the benefit to others), and a touchscreen- which isn't obtrusive. Talk of screens on the controller worried me that it was force the controller to need to be shaped abnormally, but it actually looks even more comfortable then before. They also appear to have added a move component into the DS4. Let's not forgot some of those gawd awful looking patent drawings of some mutant controller with two balls on it! I didn't need the move in the controller, and was worried about an odd shaped controller to handle a screen and move, but they look to have added these features, changed some details asked for by user feedback, and still not only keep the shape and feel of the dualshock line, but possibly improve it! The slightly different materials/styling also look nice. Less important to me, the Move concept looks to be improved as well The eye looks like it will clip to a screen easily, look decent, and with the additional camera and other mostly unknown details- looks to have caught up to or surpassed the accuracy and potential of its competitiors. Some people like the kinect, hands free concept, but not me. Nice to see the upgrades, as if nothing else it allows developers to expand the family and party game libraries, leading to more sales. To be honest all we know FOR SURE about the PS4 is that it's got some very impressive specs (8GB GDDR5), higher then most predicted, it's got a REAL upgrade to the controller, and that there are some very respected developers working on some VERY promising titles. Besides what they showed, don't forget that there are other known developers working on titles too. We know Rockstar will continue GTA and Read Dead series among others. Most experts also agree that this console will be far easier to program games for, with much less of a learning curve compared to the last launch.... So, I would expect there to be better games and more of them released at this launch and shortly after. I would imagine the styling/materials of the DS4 and new move eyes will carry over to the styling we can expect to see on the console itself. I'm not overly excited, but wouldn't expect to be. Not too picky here, but I'd like to see a modern looking, black console that looks nice but doesn't stand out too much. Judging by the DS4 and Move eyes, I think we can expect just that. Also, as much as I fear being forced into an inferior digital world, I realize it's bound to eventually happen. Some of the features they've shown and the potential available- especially with the instant gaming without load times is interesting. Athough of less interest for me, it also looks like they are using the internet/digital world to offer further social interactions, partnering with facebook, and allowing players to interact with each other in news will certainly be appealing to many young people who game with their friends.
tl;dr? Lets appreciate that we're getting some promising games on a high spec console with an improved controller, improved Move, and additional features.