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post #61 of 1994
From Gizmodo:

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Sony Planning PS4's Arrival to Coincide With Next-Gen Xbox?

Sony's gaming division is tracking the growing rumours of a new Microsoft console, with the aim being to release its PlayStation4 as near to it as possible so there won't be a huge headstart for Microsoft this time around.

PlayStation Europe president Jim Ryan, speaking to Eurogamer, said it would be "undesirable" for the gaming giant to launch a new console "significantly later" than any updated Xbox, to avoid handing Microsoft another huge lead. Sony's clearly hinting that it'd push through a "PlayStation4" announcement as soon as Microsoft fleshes out its plans for a new console.

Microsoft could even announce a new gaming console this January, with the most recent rumours pointing to some form of early hardware or spec announcement at the 2012 CES event.

Original article from Eurogamer:

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Sony: it would be "undesirable" for PS4 to launch significantly later than the competition

By Johnny Minkley Published 23 November, 2011

But, "there's still a lot of unfinished business on PS3."

Having given Microsoft a year's head start in the current generation, PlayStation Europe boss Jim Ryan said it would be "undesirable" for PS4 to repeat that for the next-generation.

Speaking to Eurogamer TV this afternoon at a press event for PlayStation Vita in London, Ryan, who stepped up to the SCEE top job in the summer, said: "I think we would consider it undesirable to be significantly later than the competition [with the next PlayStation]."

With Wii U out next year and Microsoft expected to reveal the next Xbox in 2012 amid suggestions that a number of studios are already making games for a 2013 launch, industry chatter regarding a PlayStation 3 successor has been considerably more muted.

This, coupled with Sony's overall financial position, has led to speculation that the company is behind its rivals with its next-generation planning.

Ryan defended Sony's strategy, insisting: "There's still a lot of unfinished business on PS3."

He added: "If you look at PlayStation 2, now in excess of 150m units installed globally, a huge majority of that was done at price points of £120 or lower. [With PS3] we've only just hit £199 in the UK, so clearly there's a considerable untapped part of the market there."

Last week Edge reported that a first-party Sony studio had ceased PS3 development and moved onto PS4 development. The unnamed developer is also apparently involved in building the graphics technology for Sony's next system.

It then said Guerrilla Games was making a new Killzone game - for PlayStation 4?
post #62 of 1994
Why does have Sony always fall back on sales of the Ps2. Yes it did well...get over it. But your Ps3 didn't do so wel so realize that and fix it this time around. Companies that rely on their past succcess stories to justify their poor decisions in the present often fall on their face.

I suspect late 2012 -early 2013 for a new xbox. Which is already too far away in my mind. The consoles look dated now, and have for some time. Time to move on. The smart thing to do is to just add more power to the existing platforms instead of a entirely different programming language that developers will have to relearn all over again. Would also solve the backwards compatibility issues.

Wish list for ps3?
1. Better reliabilty. This gen was horrendous, and un-acceptable. Yes Xbox AND PS3. Quiet and cool running consoles are a must.
2. For the love of god get rid of the pos controller.Till this day I will buy the xbox versions of multiplatform games due to hating the ps3 controller so much.
3. Faster BD drive, with better lasers, maybe install to HD option....which I've wanted since day one on the Ps3.
4. Better multimedia support. mkc etc.
5. I don't care about cloud gaming, I don't ever want a media'less console
6. Sensible amount of video ram this time around.
7. True 1080p with at least 4xAA and 16AF across the board. That's 1920 x 1080 and not the scaling nonsense that they do now. otherwise, don't bother. When you advertise "HD" or "1080P" it @#$@ better be this time around.

And, better games. This gen was flooded with too many Multiplayer repetitive nonsense. Stop letting multiplayer games ruin single player campaigns.
post #63 of 1994
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Originally Posted by newfmp3 View Post


This gen was flooded with too many Multiplayer repetitive nonsense. Stop letting multiplayer games ruin single player campaigns.

Don't see that trend stopping anytime soon.
post #64 of 1994
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Originally Posted by newfmp3 View Post

Why does have Sony always fall back on sales of the Ps2. Yes it did well...get over it. But your Ps3 didn't do so wel so realize that and fix it this time around.*

*In the US.

I haven't checked recently, but Sony was on par to outsell the Xbox worldwide and push into #2 behind the Wii this Christmas. Hardly "Not doing so wel".

They're also not replacing their FUD Phat design at their own expense, unlike MS did (props!), which is adding to profit margins.

Saying anything else is disingenuous. Releasing late put them behind MS, but they have caught up and done so without putting side a big wad of cash to pay off early adopters (which makes me mad, being one).

As for less MP, forgetaboutit. Luckily Sony still backs a wide swath of genres, but they too will be pushing to make sure even those have some sort of MP. Luckily it's not all FPS and 3rd PS's.
post #65 of 1994
Knowing Sony, their probably thinking about making it 4K resolution since by the time it's released, They'll probably be consumer 4K TVs being released by around the same time. Perhaps we'll have 200GB discs right away and maybe higher for games such as Metal Gear.
post #66 of 1994
lol, 4k. Most games aren't 1080 now! Many are not even 720...
post #67 of 1994
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Originally Posted by newfmp3 View Post

Why does have Sony always fall back on sales of the Ps2. Yes it did well...get over it. But your Ps3 didn't do so wel so realize that and fix it this time around. Companies that rely on their past succcess stories to justify their poor decisions in the present often fall on their face.

I suspect late 2012 -early 2013 for a new xbox. Which is already too far away in my mind. The consoles look dated now, and have for some time. Time to move on. The smart thing to do is to just add more power to the existing platforms instead of a entirely different programming language that developers will have to relearn all over again. Would also solve the backwards compatibility issues.

Wish list for ps3?
1. Better reliabilty. This gen was horrendous, and un-acceptable. Yes Xbox AND PS3. Quiet and cool running consoles are a must.
2. For the love of god get rid of the pos controller.Till this day I will buy the xbox versions of multiplatform games due to hating the ps3 controller so much.
3. Faster BD drive, with better lasers, maybe install to HD option....which I've wanted since day one on the Ps3.
4. Better multimedia support. mkc etc.
5. I don't care about cloud gaming, I don't ever want a media'less console
6. Sensible amount of video ram this time around.

1. I've had 2 phats and now have 2 slims. Not a bit of trouble with any of them. Got the first slim because I was tired of the fan noise on the old BC phat. Got the second slim because with the trade-in deal they had at GameStop at the time it was a net $0 trade.

2. I have one of these controllers and love it, I think you'd like it.
http://www.target.com/p/PS3-Pro-Elit...3/-/A-13217769
You can get them at lots of locations, not just Target. Got mine at Best Buy.

3, 5, and 6 will likely happen by default. Try to buy a crap PC video card nowadays. Can't do it, they've all been supplanted with better stuff.

4. I agree, but it's not a deal-breaker to me. I have an HTPC in my bedroom that's taken over streaming duties, and I certainly don't want anything stored on the PS3's hard drive. I would rather see the PS3 able to act as a Windows Media extender (not likely), have Amazon Prime Video on Demand support (this should be easy), and a few other home theater options rather than offering native .MKV support.
post #68 of 1994
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Originally Posted by jayoldschool View Post

lol, 4k. Most games aren't 1080 now! Many are not even 720...

I did say "Knowing Sony" They'll for sure want to try and 1 up everybody with something drastic somehow, sort of like what they tried to do with Blu-Ray and besides, they'll want to sell their 4K TV's by that time just like they wanted Blu-Ray to succeed.
post #69 of 1994
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

I did say "Knowing Sony" They'll for sure want to try and 1 up everybody with something drastic somehow, sort of like what they tried to do with Blu-Ray and besides, they'll want to sell their 4K TV's by that time just like they wanted Blu-Ray to succeed.

Won't happen, different people running the division now.
post #70 of 1994
It's probably too early to tell anyway but since technology has been advancing quickly, you never know. I'll be a current system for years so it shouldn't be too far fetched that they could be thinking about the possibility as we speak. I'll probably depend on how cheap the technology will be to produce it.
post #71 of 1994
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

I did say "Knowing Sony" They'll for sure want to try and 1 up everybody with something drastic somehow, sort of like what they tried to do with Blu-Ray and besides, they'll want to sell their 4K TV's by that time just like they wanted Blu-Ray to succeed.

Tough call on the tech, but you're right there'll be plenty of Japanese hubris and smug coming with it.
post #72 of 1994
What do you mean?
"there'll be plenty of Japanese hubris and smug coming with it."
post #73 of 1994
Thread Starter 
Krazy Ken isn't even there any more. It's been well documented how the engineer in him felt that boasting about hardware tech was the key to fame and fortune. That style generated mixed results early on from the media/public and his position was given to someone else before he eventually left Sony, taking the overt hubris approach with him.
post #74 of 1994
Just that Sony tends to talk a mean game (and their hardware tends to deliver, at least out the gate) but then their marketing and their in house software development team tends to crash and burn. Thank god SCEA and SCEJ seems to be on the ball as far as game dev and IP go.

For example, the XMB and network play has steadily gotten small additions to it over this consoles lifespan, but it's been at a snails pace. There's a lot that could be done, especially tying in social media and web 2.0; but there's nothing on the horizon. The latest update is just another reminder of Sony snoozing again; 4.0 and nothing exciting to show for it.
post #75 of 1994
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Just that Sony tends to talk a mean game (and their hardware tends to deliver, at least out the gate) but then their marketing and their in house software development team tends to crash and burn. Thank god SCEA and SCEJ seems to be on the ball as far as game dev and IP go.

For example, the XMB and network play has steadily gotten small additions to it over this consoles lifespan, but it's been at a snails pace. There's a lot that could be done, especially tying in social media and web 2.0; but there's nothing on the horizon. The latest update is just another reminder of Sony snoozing again; 4.0 and nothing exciting to show for it.

The last thing I want on my Playstation is a bunch of social media crap
post #76 of 1994
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

The last thing I want on my Playstation is a bunch of social media crap

I agree.

I want to see upgrades but at the same time don't want to see PS3 OS & interface turned into a dumbed down user friendly OS that is locked down like IOS and Itunes crap that is on Iphones & IPAD'S.
post #77 of 1994
Thread Starter 
Naughty Dog has at least one more great PS3 release coming up, but the PS4 will soon need their attention and in this article they talk about how tough generation transitions are:

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As talk grows of developers already working on PlayStation 4 titles, Naughty Dog has revealed its fears over the "difficult" transition to next-gen hardware.

Speaking to Eurogamer, studio co-president Evan Wells called the move a "double-edged sword", explaining that: "The geek inside you is always excited about a shiny new toy, but then the practicality of it starts to set in: this is going to be a lot of hard work.

"When you're going to new technology, every day is a slog, progress is slow and it really takes a different kind of attitude and mentality to get through that kind of push and it's not right for everybody."

Wells explained that the switch from PS2 to PS3 was "the period that Naughty Dog had its darkest days and we lost people on a weekly basis - people just couldn't get through it".

He continued: "It's tough and we're definitely walking into it with open eyes."

Fellow co-president Christophe Balestra described the prospect of moving to new hardware as "terrifying", adding: "We made some mistakes with our move from PS2 to PS3 and we won't make those again. I guess we've done it a couple of times!"

The studio last week lifted the lid on upcoming PS3 exclusive, The Last Of Us, which is being worked on by a previously secret second team.

As for the Uncharted team, Balestra said: "Right now they're not working that much. Some of them are working mainly on DLC for multiplayer, and a lot of them are on vacation.

"I think the team's going to regroup and we're going to figure out what's going to be the next move is for that team."

Wells added: "Next-gen, current-gen - that's totally in the air".
post #78 of 1994
It makes sense that ND would be apprehensive about the switch from PS3 to 4. They have arguably the most optimized code for the PS3. Switching to the next gen will be more of an equalizer in the wrong direction (for them) than others.

-Suntan
post #79 of 1994
Let the new XBOX come out, drop the PS3 to $99, and watch which sells better.

I know it'll never happen, but it would be pretty funny.
post #80 of 1994
Not the most avid gamer these days but overall I'd love them to focus a bit more on polishing up the features that are there, instead of adding more unpolished stuff.

I'm happy with the concept of what the PS3 delivers and would buy another iteration if they just focused on polishing up existing features.

I want to be able to load a save game file right from the PS3 main menu without having to load the game and go through its menus.

Faster in game load times. Just menu screens in some of the games I do play takes way too long.

Make media streaming easier. Still using PS3 media server but that should be a bundled service.

I've held off on buying additional PS3's because of having to manually transfer data files. It should either be part of their cloud offering or done via LAN. Either way its not something I should have to do manually.

Overall I'm still pleased with what the PS3 offered and have made the most of it. I can't imagine any new upgrades from a video quality perspective that will get me to buy at release like I did with the PS3. I'd be happy if they just focused on integrating the features that are in the PS3 today and making them more seamless from a user perspective. Polish it up, make what you have easier to use, and I'll buy.
post #81 of 1994
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Not the most avid gamer these days but overall I'd love them to focus a bit more on polishing up the features that are there, instead of adding more unpolished stuff.

I'm happy with the concept of what the PS3 delivers and would buy another iteration if they just focused on polishing up existing features.

I want to be able to load a save game file right from the PS3 main menu without having to load the game and go through its menus.

Faster in game load times. Just menu screens in some of the games I do play takes way too long.

Make media streaming easier. Still using PS3 media server but that should be a bundled service.

I've held off on buying additional PS3's because of having to manually transfer data files. It should either be part of their cloud offering or done via LAN. Either way its not something I should have to do manually.

Overall I'm still pleased with what the PS3 offered and have made the most of it. I can't imagine any new upgrades from a video quality perspective that will get me to buy at release like I did with the PS3. I'd be happy if they just focused on integrating the features that are in the PS3 today and making them more seamless from a user perspective. Polish it up, make what you have easier to use, and I'll buy.

Yup.

-Home really should have been a 3D Clan support, leader board and launcher program. Instead it's sims light with advertising. Some sort of party system / clan system / gaming social media needs to be built in from the go, and pushed to the Dev's. Not only does it make sense from a marketing and advertising standpoint, gamers would love it (even casuals).

-Cross game chat, even if you need to buy a PSV to sync to a PSV, should have been implemented.

ect.
post #82 of 1994
I'm pretty sure ND and Ice team shaped what the PS4 will look like. I would not be surprised to see them make UC4 as a launch title.
post #83 of 1994
^^^ i hope so because i don't think they can do much more graphically on the ps3. i want a huge jump with uc4, and that just isn't going to happen on the ps3.

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Originally Posted by newfmp3 View Post

Why does have Sony always fall back on sales of the Ps2. Yes it did well...get over it. But your Ps3 didn't do so wel so realize that and fix it this time around.

last i read, the ps3 is at 52 million sold and the xbox is at 55 million sold. so what is this "not so well" that you're referring to? pretty sure neither company is complaining about selling 50 plus million of anything.
post #84 of 1994
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Originally Posted by TyrantII View Post

Yup.

-Home really should have been a 3D Clan support, leader board and launcher program. Instead it's sims light with advertising. Some sort of party system / clan system / gaming social media needs to be built in from the go, and pushed to the Dev's. Not only does it make sense from a marketing and advertising standpoint, gamers would love it (even casuals).

-Cross game chat, even if you need to buy a PSV to sync to a PSV, should have been implemented.

ect.

Two more good examples of refining what they have. In so many ways its easier to just focus on new features rather than fight the protracted, less glamorous slog, of improving existing functionality.
post #85 of 1994
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Originally Posted by dragonyeuw View Post

I think the question is, what features would make you guys run to the store on day one for PS4? Or more specific, what's THE next revolutionary/evolutionary feature worth getting excited over?

The_Future

The PlayStation 4 (PS4) is not far off, and if the PS4 is a PS3 shrunk into the size of the PSP, then technology will have better caught up with demand. It seems a mobile PS4 or iPhone or iPad that can plug into a big screen via HDMI, and has capabilities of touchscreen, miniature speakers, digital camera, multi-array microphone, mobile phone, FM/AM radio, TV reception, GPS, motion sensing (accelerometer), local connections (Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and/or IrDA), and projection glasses output, will bring in the next generation personal technical device. This device would, of course, be able to have it's own static ip to host servers for webpages and other types of next generation internet services, or web protocols.

Information about the PS4 should be easy to predict, however. The PS1 used CD format; the PS2 used DVD format; the PS3 used Blu-ray format; and the PS4 should use holographic disc (HVD or something similar). The PS1 had stereo sound; the PS2 had Dolby Digital 5.1 sound; the PS3 had lossless 7.1 channel sound; and the PS4 should have 9.1 channel (includes speakers on top of your head and below you). The PS1 had low resolution TV display; the PS2 had SDTV display; the PS3 had HDTV display; and the PS4 should have even higher definition or allow wearable projected displays. The PS1 had no harddrive; the PS2 had optional harddrive; the PS3 had mandatory harddrive; and the PS4 should have huge storage capabilities (flash, harddrive, or external). The PS1 had no internet connection; the PS2 had optional wired (10/100Base-T) internet connection; the PS3 had internet connection built-in (wired 1000BASE-T and wireless 802.11b/g); and the PS4 should have built-in 100 Gigabit Ethernet wired (or even faster optical) and 802.11n or faster wireless internet connection. The PS1 and PS2 had vibrating wired controllers; the PS3 had wireless, vibrating, motion-sensing controllers; and the PS4 should have wireless, motion-sensing, wearable controllers that detect not just hand movements, but your feet, head, or other appendages in 3D, and can not just vibrate your various appendages, but blow air in your face, flash different lights in your eyes, and even shock you in different places too.

If the PlayStation 4 interests you, visit PlayStation 4 Secrets
post #86 of 1994
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Originally Posted by dragonyeuw View Post

I think the question is, what features would make you guys run to the store on day one for PS4? Or more specific, what's THE next revolutionary/evolutionary feature worth getting excited over?

graphics. that all i care about every generation. but day one? i don't think anything because the launch game selection is usually garbage. actually, it might always be garbage.
post #87 of 1994
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Originally Posted by eddy_winds View Post


If the PlayStation 4 interests you, visit PlayStation 4 Secrets

sorry, but that website lost me with "late 2011" as a probable release date.
post #88 of 1994
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graphics. that all i care about every generation. but day one? i don't think anything because the launch game selection is usually garbage. actually, it might always be garbage.

Resistance: Fall of Man is not garbage.
post #89 of 1994
From: Shock PS4 Announcement 'Set for E3'

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New report claims that all three next gen systems will take stage at LA extravaganza

Sony is planning to rock the industry by announcing PlayStation 4 plans in just a matter of months, a new report has revealed.

In a highly unexpected move, Sony executives will head to Los Angeles in June to discuss their next home console at E3, within days of Microsoft doing the same.

This week's MCV magazine has splashed on its front page Biggest E3 ever will reveal new consoles, claiming that Microsoft too will unveil its next generation system at the industry event.

In October last year, Develop revealed that several Sony studios had begun prototyping early PlayStation 4 projects. One month later, PlayStation Europe boss Jim Ryan admitted it would be undesirable for the PlayStation 4 to launch later than its rivals.

MCV now claims that Sony has sent the message to third-parties that it will not be left behind this time.

The PS3 launched more than a year after the Xbox 360, and it is believed Sony considers Microsoft had a significant advantage with its head-start.

Develop understands that Xbox Next is to launch in 2013, with PlayStation 4 likely released a year later. It appears Sony is intensifying efforts to narrow the gap between both console releases.

MCV's report claims that neither Microsoft nor Sony will announce launch details of their next gen systems at E3. But their presence at the event is also designed to steal thunder from Nintendo, which is currently finalizing release plans for Wii U.

That last bit is a little contradictory, right? Maybe they mean we'll get a tease but no real details? Either way this rumor mill stuff is a kick and I can't wait to see how it shakes out.
post #90 of 1994
From: Forbes.com

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There's been a lot of Internet buzz of late regarding an MCV story that states that both Sony and Microsoft will show off PlayStation 4 and the next Xbox at E3 2012 this June in Los Angeles. But according to videogame analyst Michael Pachter of Wedbush Morgan Securities, that's not going to happen.

I think there's zero chance of a tease from Sony for PlayStation 4 and only a 20 percent chance from Microsoft that they'll tease the next Xbox, said Pachter. Neither console is launching in 2013, so there's no reason to tease them in 2012.

Even Nintendo, which is launching its HD Wii U later this year, waited until E3 2011 to show off the device. Nintendo will also have the new console at CES 2012 in Las Vegas January 10-13.

Of the big three, Nintendo is slated to lock in more launch details for its Wii U device, which is expected to offer game developers the ability to offer apps for both the console and the wireless tablet controller through a Nintendo App Store.

Sony, which debuted its PS Vita at E3 2011 and will have the device at CES 2012, has stated that its PlayStation 3 console will have a 10-year life cycle - something it's replicating with the PS Vita. Sony has been able to keep the PS3 relevant through firmware upgrades that have included 3D functionality and other features. With no launch expected for PlayStation 4 for at least two years, announcing a new console in June while the company is still pushing PS3 games and hardware doesn't make much sense. After all, gamers know it's coming.

Microsoft has been riding a high with its Xbox 360. The year that has been targeted by several developers for the launch of its next console (which I hope won't be called Xbox 720), is 2014. Teasing a device that's still two years away, and likely wouldn't have any games available for it by E3, makes little sense. Again, gamers know it's coming. And Microsoft is still marketing its 360 and Kinect.

While Nintendo's upgrade to HD graphics (finally) will put its console more in a direct competitive role against Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo has always done things its own way. And what does Sony and Microsoft have to gain by teasing their next consoles. Gamers who want a new console will have only the Wii U as a choice this year. And many of those gamers will likely pick up a PS4 and/or the next Xbox when those devices launch in a couple of years.

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