PlayStation Meeting 2013 (PS4 unveiling - conference replay in first post) - Page 28

Originally Posted by confidenceman 

I don't think those would hold up in court. EULAs are more about "stacking the odds" rather than "rigging the system."

Originally Posted by darthrsg 

Whatever. Arbitration is the new normal. Administrative law like the TSA rules. Just the way it is.

Originally Posted by confidenceman 

Right. Which means future suits still end up in a settlement. EULA does nothing to "prevent" a class action suit from happening. Just lowers the likely settlement.

Originally Posted by darthrsg 

BUT in an arbitration settlement it's a one on one thing not a group of people. SO if you have the problem they take it up with just you.

MODEL4 can today exclusively reveal the Playstation Orbis (Consumer) and Sega Orbi (Amusement) are the same chipset.

Sega Orbi is set for reveal first at JAEPO in Chiba, Tokyo, Japan on the 15th of February with the PlayStation Orbis reveal to take place in Arizona on the 25th 10 days later.

AMD is set to provide the CPU & GPU for both platforms.

If latest rumours regarding next generation hardware are to be believed, the next PlayStation is to be significantly more powerful that the next Xbox.

Developer sources, speaking after meetings at CES, have told VG247 that the next PlayStation, codenamed Orbis, will have a run-capability of 1.84 teraflops. Conversely, the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, will be able to achieve 1.23 teraflops.

If true, these numbers mean PlayStation 4 will have a 50% raw, computational power advantage over Xbox 720. While PS4 will have greater grunt that 720, however, the Microsoft machine has significantly more RAM at 8Gb, we’ve been told. Our source said that 3Gb is reserved for the OS, apps and security, leaving 4-5Gb for games.

Orbis will have 4Gb of RAM, said our source, of which 1Gb will be reserved for for OS, security and apps, leaving some 3Gb for games.

Both machines will supposedly have have the ability to read 100Gb Blu-ray discs.

Durango is apparently based on the Radeon HD 8770 GPU.

PlayStation 4 has been previously rumoured to be built on AMD’s A10 APU.

It was recently claimed that the two machines are to be announced in late March. It’s widely assumed that both consoles will launch in November this year. VG247 is under the impression that several media outlets are in possession of documents related to Durango from CES and are currently working on major leak stories.

Originally Posted by ambesolman 

I don't really understand much about computer stuff, but isn't ram pretty cheap these days? How much do y'all think is NEEDED for the ps4? I was told when I bought my laptop that 4gb was fine unless I was going to do a lot of gaming, which I don't. But that's what this is for.

Originally Posted by ambesolman 

I don't really understand much about computer stuff, but isn't ram pretty cheap these days? How much do y'all think is NEEDED for the ps4? I was told when I bought my laptop that 4gb was fine unless I was going to do a lot of gaming, which I don't. But that's what this is for.

Originally Posted by tgable 

You can't have large, cheap and high bandwidth memory pools. Pick two out of three. Looks like Sony is going small pool (4GB) and high bandwidth (192GB/s). Being unified and not having eDRAM makes it a developer dream as long as they have enough to work with.

Sony will drop the DualShock controller for the next PlayStation, according to a new report.

Sources told CVG Sony has tested new controllers with biometric sensors on the grips and an LCD touch-screen.

This information tallies with what Eurogamer has heard from our own sources. We understand that as of six months ago Sony was testing a controller that had an LCD touch-screen on the front and biometrics functionality on the back. These designs, we were told, have changed almost every month, but are for the controller for the next PlayStation.

Biometrics technology captures data from the player's body, such as temperature and heart rate. Half-Life developer Valve has been experimenting with the tech, trying to discover new game experiences that would benefit from it.

Sony did not comment.

The DualShock controller was introduced alongside the original PlayStation in 1997 and has been used for each PlayStation home console since.

It is expected that the PlayStation Vita will be compatible with the next PlayStation. CVG suggests existing PlayStation 3 controllers will work with the console in a similar way that Wii Remotes work with the Wii U.

PlayStation will bring an end to a sixteen-year tradition of DualShock controllers with the release of the PlayStation 4, CVG has learned. A senior games studio source working on an upcoming Sony game says the new system's controller has undergone numerous iterations, few of which resemble the DualShock build that has become synonymous with PlayStation.

Experiments within Sony's R&D department are thought to have been extensive. Versions of the new PS4 pad include biometric sensors on the grips and an LCD touch screen, the development source claimed.

A second source, working in a separate part of the industry but still connected to Sony, said PlayStation engineers are "trying to emulate the same user interface philosophies as the PS Vita". This is likely a reference to the touch-screen capabilities of the PlayStation handheld, and a suggestion that Sony will tightly integrate its portable and home systems.

The new console - codenamed Orbis - will be revealed in a matter of weeks, not months.

Sony has declined to comment.

While the DualShock will not be a primary controller for the next PlayStation, it is likely that the range of PS3 controllers will be compatible with the next-gen system. There is a possibility they could be used as secondary controllers, much like with how Wii Remotes interact with the Wii U.

One potential stumbling block is Sony's complex partnership with Immersion - the patent-holder of the rumble tech used in Sony's pads. In March 2007, Immersion settled its patent infringement suit with Sony, after claiming that the company had used its technologies without permission.

CVG understands that Sony has paid Immersion more than $150 million in damages, license fees and other costs since the settlement. However, a small portion (initially $20 million) of this was redirected to Microsoft, which owns about 10 per cent of Immersion.

Sony's licence agreement with Immersion ends in 2017, SEC documents show, but as part of the deal Immersion has given Sony an option to expand the scope of the licence for future consoles. However, the complications of the deal may have convinced Sony that it should seek different designs and ideas for its next controller.

Sony introduced the DualShock for the first PlayStation in 1997 - its twin analogue sticks were, at the time, considered a distinct improvement over the N64 pads from rival Nintendo.

Over the years, the controller has evolved to include rumble tech (as well as briefly omit it), as well as add on wireless capabilities and limited motion control properties.

In 2007 Sony won an Emmy award for 'Peripheral Development and Technological Impact of Videogame Controllers'.

The new PS4 controller design, which remains a closely guarded secret across the PlayStation organisation, is expected to break new mould for Sony. The biometric tech, in particular, is something games studios such as Valve are interested in due to its function as a heart beat sensor.

During the development of the PlayStation 3, Sony initially signalled its interest in building a new controller by showcasing the infamous 'banana pad' - a model that was swiftly replaced by the DualShock following public derision.

Both the next generation PlayStation - and its Xbox competitor - feature eight-core CPUs clocked at 1.6GHz according to sources trusted by Digital Foundry. The main processor architecture driving both consoles is said to be derived the new "Jaguar" technology currently in development by Intel's arch-rival, AMD. These are low-power processor cores designed for the entry-level laptop and tablet market, offering an excellent ratio between power consumption and performance. The PC Jaguar products are set to ship later this year in a quad-core configuration - next-gen consoles see the core count double with some customisations added to the overall design.

Married to the eight-core processor, Orbis also features Radeon HD graphics hardware. We've previously suggested that AMD's mobile "Pitcairn" design - the Radeon 7970M - could be a strong basis for a next-gen console graphics core in terms of power consumption and die-size. Running at 850MHz and featuring 20 of AMD's "Graphics Core Next" compute units, our information suggests that Orbis shaves off 10 per cent of that number, offering up 18 CUs in total, and sees a mild downclock to 800MHz. Incorporated into a design dedicated to cutting-edge visuals and gameplay, this hardware has some serious potential.

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We also have hard data on Orbis's memory set-up. It features 4GB of GDDR5 - the ultra-fast RAM that typically ships with the latest PC graphics cards - with 512MB reserved for the operating system. This is in stark contrast to the much slower DDR3 that Durango will almost certainly ship with. Microsoft looks set to be using an offshoot of eDRAM technology connected to the graphics core to offset the bandwidth issues the use of DDR3 incurs. Volume of RAM is the key element in Durango's favour - there'll be 8GB in total, with a significant amount (two sources we've spoken to suggest 3GB in total) reserved for the OS.

Originally Posted by Crash44 
Man, I think someone opened the tap this week! Lots of Orbis rumors and info.

Originally Posted by ambesolman 

I don't really understand much about computer stuff, but isn't ram pretty cheap these days? How much do y'all think is NEEDED for the ps4? I was told when I bought my laptop that 4gb was fine unless I was going to do a lot of gaming, which I don't. But that's what this is for.

Originally Posted by americangunner 

I am looking forward to seeing what the controller looks like. I am not a fan of the DS anymore, so that might help sway me. I will only be buying one console at launch time. The only crappy thing is all my friends play Xbox, but they only play shooters and I am so burnt out on them, that I spend most my time playing other games offline anyways. Besides, my two sons are my little fanclub and they have a blast watching me play games, so as long as they are happy then I am good.

Originally Posted by bd2003 

If there's any one single source I trust on this, its eurogamer. I think this is the real deal.

It's not as all out powerful as I'd hoped, but its definitely a leap on the order of PS2 to PS3. The controller seems like exactly what Id want for a next gen core gamer system.

I'm glad to see that the PS4 looks like its focusing on games first, xbox seems to be aiming for a versatility that will compromise it.

So....when can I preorder?

Originally Posted by americangunner 

Crazy, right? Sony is looking at what they should, and not how they can force everyone to use a gimmick like it sounds Xbox will be doing with Kinect 2.0.