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post #841 of 1994
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

It's exactly what I want out of them. I'm not really anti-Durango, what they're doing could be very interesting. I really just wanted one console to surpass the other in terms of raw power, and Id rather that one be Sony.

My hope is that the PS4 is just powerful enough that it can run at 60fps what nextbox does at 30fps.
I am not anti-Xbox either. As much as I hate to admit it, I would end up with a Xbox probably purely for Gears. I know it's not the best game ever made, but I enjoy the series so much that I would hate to miss out on it. I will probably eventually end up with both systems, just so I have that variety, but I usually play one more than the other and end up feeling like I wasted money. That is how the PS3 has been for me this generation, except for recently with getting some of the free games with my plus membership.
post #842 of 1994
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

"We also have hard data on Orbis's memory set-up. It features 4GB of GDDR5 - the ultra-fast RAM that typically ships with the latest PC graphics cards - with 512MB reserved for the operating system. This is in stark contrast to the much slower DDR3 that Durango will almost certainly ship with."

I am not very tech saavy, so can someone explain what this will mean when the next gen consoles come out if this is true?

It basically translates to moderately better graphics performance. Certain operations are limited by memory bandwidth, those that are will probably fare better on PS4. Specifically itll probably scale resolution a little better, so the PS4 might be better at 3D. Nextbox will almost certainly have some edram, which is even faster than DDR5, but the pool will be tiny.

It sounds like both are going to feature some sort of coprocessor besides the CPU and GPU, so that's a very big unknown that could swing it either way. Even though they might be based on off the shelf parts, they'll probably be customized to some degree.

It's interesting that they seem to share almost identical CPUs and very similar GPUs - this is going to make porting very easy, and third party games should look much closer to the quality of first party games.
post #843 of 1994
The 720 will probably have 64mb of edram. They have to top Nintendo's 32mb after all.

If this is true (and DF is probably the best chance we have for accurate info) then the PS4 is going to be the best system for multiplats.

On the plus side, Nintendo won't be left entirely in the dust like with the Wii. They will miss a few games though...
post #844 of 1994
Now it will be interesting if developers take advantage of the extra horsepower on the PS4.
post #845 of 1994
Let's first wait and see what both companies will say, Microsoft could land a bomb on Sony that wasn't leaked.
post #846 of 1994
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

Let's first wait and see what both companies will say, Microsoft could land a bomb on Sony that wasn't leaked.
That's true. At the end of the day, it will take something monumental for me to go with Sony right off the bat this next generation.
post #847 of 1994
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

Now it will be interesting if developers take advantage of the extra horsepower on the PS4.

If these systems are as similar as they appear to be, they definitely will. When a game is coded to take advantage of its quirks, the PS3 was clearly a step above the 360. But third parties aren't going to go out of their way to favor one over the other, especially when the PS3 is such a PITA to program for. But, if they don't have to go out of their way, if both systems work essentially the same way.....they'll definitely take advantage where they can. They'd kind of have to go out of their way *not* to take advantage of it, from the way its sounding.
post #848 of 1994
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

If there's any one single source I trust on this, its eurogamer. I think this is the real deal.

It's not as all out powerful as I'd hoped, but its definitely a leap on the order of PS2 to PS3. The controller seems like exactly what Id want for a next gen core gamer system.

I'm glad to see that the PS4 looks like its focusing on games first, xbox seems to be aiming for a versatility that will compromise it.

So....when can I preorder? smile.gif

Not Gamestop, they'll sell you imaginary inventory. (learned my lesson last launch)

Prediction: Kojima announces MGS5 on the new systems quite soon. Most likely Phantom Pain/Ground Zeros being it.
post #849 of 1994
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

The 720 will probably have 64mb of edram. They have to top Nintendo's 32mb after all.

If this is true (and DF is probably the best chance we have for accurate info) then the PS4 is going to be the best system for multiplats.

On the plus side, Nintendo won't be left entirely in the dust like with the Wii. They will miss a few games though...

With both systems ditching the funky setups and basically using modified, but propitiatory PC architecture; I think we're going to see a hell of a lot more parity between both consoles versions and PC. Which is really going to help Developers in an industry where dev costs are really becoming a barrier.
post #850 of 1994
With PC architecture, game prices better not go up. Heck, they better come down because it's just a matter of tweaking graphics settings in order to port from one console to another.
post #851 of 1994
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

That's true. At the end of the day, it will take something monumental for me to go with Sony right off the bat this next generation.

Why, you don't like the free online and the vast superiority of of first party game selection? I don't know why anyone would go Microsoft out of the gate after this generation. All they proved was that they really don't care about games all that much.

And I'm no fanboy. At this point, I'm ready to toss my PS3 out a window. What an oudated piece of tech.
post #852 of 1994
Getting a PS4 is a no brainer in my case, literally grew up playing on that console after Sega, I just hope Microsoft will offer something will interest me as well to get both consoles because at the moment I have pretty much no reason to get a 360 whatsoever.
post #853 of 1994
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Originally Posted by blklightning View Post

Why, you don't like the free online and the vast superiority of of first party game selection? I don't know why anyone would go Microsoft out of the gate after this generation. All they proved was that they really don't care about games all that much.

And I'm no fanboy. At this point, I'm ready to toss my PS3 out a window. What an oudated piece of tech.
Like I said a while back, all my friends own 360's and I am sure they will move on to the next xbox. I don't care either way about the online, because if spending $40-$60 on a product is too expensive, then you are in the wrong hobby. And I do like the first party games, but have grown to hate the controller. I can't think of one thing, other than the d-pad that I never use, that is good on it.
post #854 of 1994
Looking forward to getting the new PS (Whatever the Name Is) Console.smile.gif
post #855 of 1994
Both the 360 and PS3 feel outdated to me but the PS3 is a better media device for me. Paying extra to access services I already pay for on 360 is a bummer and LIVE isn't a draw for me. That said, I've enjoyed the exclusives on PS3 more than the 360 so I'm following Sony more closely. My plan is to wait until both are out for a bit before taking the plunge and just enjoy my PC. By the time I get ready to purchase the new ones my kid will be old enough to enjoy it more than me possibly, so I still win. The only draw on MS side is the potential of Smartglass and interplay with the desktop/mobile side of things.

I'm way beyond over Gears of Duty 4: Helmeted Space Marine Killer App #hashtag

This will be the first launch I skip.
post #856 of 1994
Smartglass will be even more of a joke than it already is, if the PS4 controller really has an LCD screen. It's just another trap of theirs to rope you into their ecosystem, and I'm not taking the bait.
post #857 of 1994
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

Both the 360 and PS3 feel outdated to me but the PS3 is a better media device for me. Paying extra to access services I already pay for on 360 is a bummer and LIVE isn't a draw for me. That said, I've enjoyed the exclusives on PS3 more than the 360 so I'm following Sony more closely. My plan is to wait until both are out for a bit before taking the plunge and just enjoy my PC. By the time I get ready to purchase the new ones my kid will be old enough to enjoy it more than me possibly, so I still win. The only draw on MS side is the potential of Smartglass and interplay with the desktop/mobile side of things.

I'm way beyond over Gears of Duty 4: Helmeted Space Marine Killer App #hashtag

This will be the first launch I skip.
Pretty much agree straight down the line there.

I always rolled my eyes when people said this in the past, but... my PS3 really has become just a Bluray player at this point. And I've already sold off the majority of my 360 library. The only thing I use my 360 for is playing Japanese import shmups (I haven't paid for XBL in over a year now). There are some big releases on the horizon for both consoles, so I'm sure I'll fire them up soon. But right now, they're not getting a lot of use.

Unless these new consoles come out of the gates with some truly spectacular games, I'll be waiting on the sidelines for a good long while. And if their focus instead is on media connectivity and access, I won't bother.
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Smartglass will be even more of a joke than it already is, if the PS4 controller really has an LCD screen. It's just another trap of theirs to rope you into their ecosystem, and I'm not taking the bait.
I don't think anyone is "taking the bait." MS has proven repeatedly that they're terrible at Apple's ecosystem approach. By most measures, Windows 8, Windows phone, Windows tablet, and Games for Windows have all been failures.
Edited by confidenceman - 1/19/13 at 8:05am
post #858 of 1994
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Originally Posted by darthrsg View Post

Both the 360 and PS3 feel outdated to me but the PS3 is a better media device for me. Paying extra to access services I already pay for on 360 is a bummer and LIVE isn't a draw for me. That said, I've enjoyed the exclusives on PS3 more than the 360 so I'm following Sony more closely. My plan is to wait until both are out for a bit before taking the plunge and just enjoy my PC. By the time I get ready to purchase the new ones my kid will be old enough to enjoy it more than me possibly, so I still win. The only draw on MS side is the potential of Smartglass and interplay with the desktop/mobile side of things.

I'm way beyond over Gears of Duty 4: Helmeted Space Marine Killer App #hashtag

This will be the first launch I skip.

Tend to agree, but a little disappointing that this Gen Sony doesn't seem to have brought the full force of independent games / IP to the forefront, at least not in full titles (PSN has been great). Uncharted, LBP, Dark Souls (which they technically lost) and inFamous? Heavenly Sword was awesome, but didn't hit it off for some reason.

Hopefully they ramp it up a bit next gen, because honestly it's why I've always loved them for. Sequels are nice and all, but it's the new, innovative, immerse story games I love them the most for. One can only play so many FPS.
post #859 of 1994
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

Smartglass will be even more of a joke than it already is, if the PS4 controller really has an LCD screen. It's just another trap of theirs to rope you into their ecosystem, and I'm not taking the bait.

I expected Microsoft to position Smartglass as an incentive to getting a Windows phone, but they actually released versions for both Android and iOS.

Anyway, for me personally, I probably won't get the PS4 at launch, but I do expect I'll get one. I've enjoyed this generation's exclusives too much not to.
post #860 of 1994
I usually don't get any console at launch until at least it's out for a few months, mainly for 2 reasons:

1- I'll know if they have any hardware issues that will be fixed with newer revisions, e.g PS3 and the heat/noise/YLOD issue.
2- Launch games are usually very limited, I prefer to wait and get the console along with a quality game that I'm a fan of, e.g MGS, Final Fantasy, Elder scrolls..etc

I upgrade my display with every new generation of consoles due to newly introduced technologies and larger screen, I hope there will be something really solid in the market with a good price by early 2014, 70" OLED with crazy good PQ would be awesome, I can't wait to hear what kind of stuff PS4 will be able to handle (4k, 3D..etc) so I can start my research lol!
post #861 of 1994
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Hmmmm. A respected NeoGAF member re-posted this link to an article from last Spring claiming that the PS4 will allow Linux OS again with alternative security plans in place to avoid being forced to remove it in an emergency. According to the article, they would also bring it back to the PS3 via a firmware patch.

This rumor got me thinking... if true, I wonder if that opens the door to a weird possibility of the PS4 offering SteamBox access. I don't think any industry sources have suggested this, but I don't feel it is impossible to work:

  • Linux is the preferred format for Steam going forward according to Valve's Gabe Newell. If the PS4 offers Linux then a SteamBox app is technically possible.
  • Sony and Valve collaborated on Portal 2 to bring it to the PS3 (now with Move support), and at the time of release, they allowed PSN accounts to merge with Steam accounts.
  • SteamBox is not a single, closed machine but a platform to be shared with different hardware manufacturers with varying tech specs (including one from Valve). In this scenario, Valve would allow Sony to profit from Steam software sales made through the PSN (a Steam sub-store would likely be available) while it keeps all the profits sold directly through Valve's own SteamBox.
  • In this article, Valve's head honcho briefly mentions biometrics possibly being part of the final control scheme for SteamBox. The PS4 controller is rumored to delve into biometrics as well.
  • Steam recently introduced Big Picture mode, which focuses on larger text, gaming pad support, and other features that complement gaming on the big screen TV as opposed to the smaller PC monitor.
  • The PS4 rumors suggests it has many PC-friendly parts so that SteamBox gaming should not be a big issue for many titles. Future Steam-compatible releases would be built with this additional platform option in mind as they design their UI and other tech options.

It would be a win-win situation for both companies to do this. Sony gets a bajillion new games to run on the PS4, as well as an expanded audience attracted by the (likely) Cross-Buy promotions where one purchase gets you a PS3 and SteamBox (and Vita!) version. Valve expands its reach into the living rooms and makes it easier for Linux support to increase. PS4 owners not only get access to a lot of the Steam library, but could conceivably take advantage of the fantastic Steam sales throughout the year.

Anyway, that's my 100% random speculation. Probably not likely, but it certainly seems that it is technically possible.
post #862 of 1994
THIS IS THE YEAR OF LINUX ON THE DESKTOP I JUST KNOW IT
post #863 of 1994
Unless Sony is going to be finally opening up an app store, and supporting community development, I doubt it.

The whole reason they nuked OtherOs from the get go, which lead to their security being cracked, was because they did not want "free" competition on their console system. They walled off the RSX, and nuked the Cell for anything but computational power.

Thing could and would have been very different if they co-opted the internet development community, and had some sort of android/apple store where developers could play and sell their wares (for a fee) to a fully functioning OtherOS or PSN.

I think fears of what industry developers would think about 3rd party community competition were probably at play in their decision to basically handicap users ability to play with the hardware. Also the fact that Sony/MS sell their dev kits and support for a pretty hefty price tag. Still, there's money and good will to finding a median way.
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THIS IS THE YEAR OF LINUX ON THE DESKTOP I JUST KNOW IT

With MS flopping with windows 8, and increasing walling in developers with "games for windows", it just might. More and more dev's seem to be going back to OpenGL (Android, Apple, Sony, Linux for Steam, ect). Part of the Dev problems with the PS3 are undoubtedly not using DX, thus having to bend the OpenGL API around the engines (Early on Unreal3 engine has major issues doing so), yet lately we've seen pretty close parity on multiplat titles.

People hear Linux and think of nerd and command line geeky hard to do stuff. Android is the number 1 mobile operating system by devices sold, and it's Linux. With MS trying to close off their OS's and be more like apple, I think a lot of people are going to be looking for other options with more freedom and lower licensing costs /rules.
Edited by TyrantII - 1/19/13 at 1:09pm
post #864 of 1994
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

[*] SteamBox is not a single, closed machine but a platform to be shared with different hardware manufacturers with varying tech specs (including one from Valve). In this scenario, Valve would allow Sony to profit from Steam software sales made through the PSN (a Steam sub-store would likely be available) while it keeps all the profits sold directly through Valve's own SteamBox.

Thought this was why he hated Windows?
post #865 of 1994
As much as I love the idea of buying a PS4 game and getting the steam version....this is wishful thinking at its finest.
post #866 of 1994
Thread Starter 
If I'm wrong we'll know soon enough and it'll all be forgotten in time. If I'm right, then I'll update everyone with my post-2012 end of the world prediction. cool.gif
post #867 of 1994
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

As much as I love the idea of buying a PS4 game and getting the steam version....this is wishful thinking at its finest.
It worked once with Portal 2, don't see why it wouldn't work again. It's exactly the kind of thing that Valve would do. The trick is convincing Sony and third-party publishers to participate. But even if it only happens in a limited way, that's still a great thing. As a recent returnee to PC gaming, I'd be much more likely to pick up the next PS console if there were extensive Steam connectivity (including access to the same deals, range of games, etc). From Sony's perspective, it would be a great way to get some sort of access to the PC space, and would give them a major leg up over MS.

Gabe has been really open about wanting to get Steam on as many different platforms as possible. I don't see MS going for it. So why not Sony? Especially if both Valve and Sony continue to push the Linux alternative.
post #868 of 1994
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Stranger things have happened.
post #869 of 1994
The Portal 2 announcement made me hope that Valve would offer more support for the PS3, but nothing further ever materialized. I'd love to see it happen for the PS4, but I'm not optimistic about the odds of that happening.
post #870 of 1994
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

It worked once with Portal 2, don't see why it wouldn't work again. It's exactly the kind of thing that Valve would do. The trick is convincing Sony and third-party publishers to participate. But even if it only happens in a limited way, that's still a great thing. As a recent returnee to PC gaming, I'd be much more likely to pick up the next PS console if there were extensive Steam connectivity (including access to the same deals, range of games, etc). From Sony's perspective, it would be a great way to get some sort of access to the PC space, and would give them a major leg up over MS.

Gabe has been really open about wanting to get Steam on as many different platforms as possible. I don't see MS going for it. So why not Sony? Especially if both Valve and Sony continue to push the Linux alternative.

They're kind of digging their own grave if they do that though. Maybe in the near term steam/valve isn't a huge threat to Sony, but in the long term they definitely are. Especially when they're openly talking about making a pseudo-console. I don't think Sony really cares much for Linux or the PC. I think what happened with portal 2 was mainly to woo valve back, since they had gone exclusive to MS for a while. Valve wanted some more exposure for steam, Sony didnt want to have portal 2 go exclusive to MS, so they made a one time deal. If this was something they'd be doing going forward it'd probably have also happened with CS:GO, but it didnt.
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