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Originally Posted by Mac The Knife View Post

So was the homage to One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest with the big indian sweeping the floor in the asylum supposed to mean anything or were the writers just goofing around to see if we'd notice?

I figured he's a character from a different kind of fairy tale, ones that haven't yet been addressed on this show.
post #782 of 1128
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Originally Posted by kaydigi View Post

They didnt show what happened with pinnochio after the curse was lifted or did I miss it?

The curse didn't turn Pinocchio into a boy, and it wasn't responsible for turning him back into a puppet. But no, they haven't shown that yet.
post #783 of 1128
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Originally Posted by leebo View Post

The curse didn't turn Pinocchio into a boy, and it wasn't responsible for turning him back into a puppet. But no, they haven't shown that yet.

Yup. He was a baaaad boy.
post #784 of 1128
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

Yeah if you don't call a freakin' big arse dragon magic IDK what is..

I was expecting the real live woman, I guess she remained a dragon because of the egg..

Wouldn't make a difference inserting the egg in her on cable TV, she has a no nudity contract I think on True Blood.. wouldn't see much of her..

You know, it never occurred to me that she's the only regular on True Blood that hasn't appeared nude. Go figure...
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

I agree and disagree at the same time.

I actually believe much of the flashbacks to fairytale-land are intentionally corny and less-violent. With a few exceptions, the fairytale-land stories are generally family friendly without the gore and accuracy you would expect in a real-world story.

It might not be intentional, but I've chosen to believe that it is.

No question. It's definitely done in a sanitized, Disneyesque Fairy Tale fashion. The highlight of the bloodless fighting was when Grumpy buried his pick axe into the castle guard's back, saving Snow, and immediately pulled it out sparklingly clean as a whistle with not a drop or smudge to be seen


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A lot of what I thought would happen, happened...

Curse broken, but just restores people's memories... doesn't take them back to fairytale land.

Queen actually cared for Henry, in spite of herself, and ultimately will be displaced as the bad "guy" of the series.

What did surprise me, though... was that Gold betrayed them before knowing Beauty was still alive. I thought that would be what set him off... I fell for the ruse that he was actually being helpful.

I actually had the impression all along the Regina really did care for Henry, even if she had a funny way of showing it. But the parting shot of her evil glint upon seeing the magic coming back would seem to indicate she's still not going to any cookies and cream character as well.



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Originally Posted by aeromorris View Post

Great episode but I'm not sure how I feel about the cliffhanger. The episode felt a bit incomplete. Kinda like it needed 5 more minutes to explain to the viewer what Rumple was up to and for the characters to rally around Emma. Snow, Charming, Emma and Henry needed to have a family moment before the season finished. No?

That's why they're called cliff hangers! Not exactly an edge of the seat example, but one that definitely set the stage with many questions as to where it goes and what happens next though.



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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

I guess I missed something because I didn't understand the big deal with the clock moving at the end. I thought they had made a point a number of times through out the season to say that time started moving forward again when Emma showed up, so what's the big deal with the clock moving now?

I suspect you were not a LOST fan? That was just another in the season-long string of homages to the iconic LOST imagery from the former LOST writers.


ron
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Again the Queen's motive for hurting Snow is stupid, Snow was a child, and the was Regina's mother that killed her guy..

But she should have her hands busy now with Rumpel coming at her full force.
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

Again the Queen's motive for hurting Snow is stupid, Snow was a child, and the was Regina's mother that killed her guy..

But she should have her hands busy now with Rumpel coming at her full force.

Love it!
post #788 of 1128
What I like is that, despite running in place for a series of shows, that Once Upon A Time is not going to be a show about a single issue. They resolved that issue this season and next season is going to have a new paradigm. Lost successfully did that by completely changing the focus for the most part each season including changing the location of the show. We'll see how this works.

I agree that some of the set up is shaky. Regina's hatred of Snow because of what she did as a child is hard to believe especially when Regina's mother was responsible for the outcome and Snow could hardly be expected to be able to match wits with Regina's mother.
post #789 of 1128
I think they've set up next season quite nicely....

Rumpelstiltskin versus the Evil Queen for all the marbles!

They tried being partners in crime and it didn't really work out, so now it's every man (including the Queen) for himself. Can see the Queen actually becoming a somewhat sympathetic character as Rumple becomes the main antagonist next season. As far as we know- the Queens whole agenda was set in motion because of an actual incident which hurt her, but as far as Rumple is concerned- he just seems very egotistical and hungry for power at any cost. I'd be much more fearful of him once his powers return...
post #790 of 1128
Yeah, it looks like now that Emma broke the curse, the focus could shift to Rumple vs the Queen. Frankly, that sounds a lot more interesting than Emma vs the Queen.
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Critic's Notes
'Once Upon A Time': How To Keep The Magic Going In Season 2
By Maureen Ryan, HuffingtonPost.com - May 15, 2012

"Once Upon a Time" (which my colleague Laura Prudom has been recapping all season) has pulled off a very interesting trick in its debut season: It may be the most unusual and the most traditional show on TV.

It's extremely traditional, if not to say old-fashioned, in its storytelling, which riffs on fairy tales that are hundreds of years old. The ABC drama plays around with two different timelines -- a magical kingdom and a modern-day town in Maine -- but in every other way, it's the opposite of cutting-edge. Sentences are declarative, costumes (especially in the fairy-tale realm) tend toward primary colors, heroes (and heroines) have strong jaws and true love always wins.

If you're looking for a hidden dig in the paragraph above, there isn't one (OK, here's a little one: I can't stand the Blue Fairy's retina-searing costume). I'm not here to bury "Once's" intrinsic sweetness with a dose of snark, but it'd be silly not to acknowledge its earnestness, which is what makes it so very different from almost everything else on TV.

Those of us who watch a lot of television dramas -- everything from the soapy "Revenge" to darker fare like "Game of Thrones" and "Mad Men" -- are used to suspicion and hidden motives: Characters don't trust each other, we suspect the people on screen of subterfuge and ruses, and at times, we wonder if the shows themselves are pulling the wool over our eyes. Emotions are there, sure, but irony and distance are the currencies of many, if not most, dramas.

Trying to find a hint of cynicism in "Once Upon a Time" is a fool's errand, but I applaud the show for wearing its heart on its crushed-velvet sleeve. There aren't a lot of shows that are as nakedly romantic as "Once" (or in which fewer characters actually get naked). I just hope that, now that the ABC program has hooked a sizable audience, the show's creators, "Lost" veterans Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz, trust the audience to follow them to darker places.

I'm certainly not expecting "Once" to become "Lost," a series that was wildly romantic, but which also explored the dark side of obsession and devotion. Despite "Once's" twinned timelines and the dual versions of characters in the fairy-tale drama, its well-scrubbed air of innocence made it very different from the island drama from the outset. And despite being pleased with the course corrections on display as the show wrapped up its final season, a sense of cognitive dissonance sometimes lingered in the air.

"Once" had some fun rewriting certain fairy tales; Ruby/Little Red Riding Hood as the lupine was a nice little twist on the Big Bad Wolf tale, and some of the show's other origin stories were mildly interesting as well (Rumpelstiltskin and Belle clicked nicely, thanks mainly to the unforced chemistry between Robert Carlyle and Emilie de Ravin). Where the show ran into trouble was with origin stories that failed to create compelling stakes or even a modicum of suspense. I'm probably a bad human being for disliking an incredibly earnest hour of television starring Amy Acker (playing a clumsy fairy, no less), but the episode titled "Dreamy" felt as though it was three hours long instead of one.

"Once" tends to have a stately pace at the best of times, and when it delves into the stories of bland supporting characters or tells them in overly deliberate, predictable ways, it becomes very slow indeed. The show could actually learn a thing or two from another ABC drama, "Revenge": When you're spinning out a melodrama (or near-melodrama) in which many of the characters are more or less types, you'd better have an energetic plot to keep things moving or the whole enterprise tends to congeal.

The show's pacing generally improved as the season went on, and there were fewer slow patches in the last third or so of the season. But still, as is the case with many shows that feature ongoing narratives (not just "Lost"), the most mythologically based outings tended to be the best ones, and the end of the season was generally far better than the mushy middle. Within those denser and more energetic episodes, I developed a clear preference for stories involving Emma, Carlyle's Mr. Gold/Rumpelstiltskin and Eion Bailey's August/Pinnochio. In fact, the smartest thing the show could do is pair up August and Emma in the show's second season.

The chemistry between those two actors leapt off the screen, and, for me, overshadowed any of the stories involving Mary Margaret/Snow White (Ginnifer Goodwin) and David/Prince charming (Josh Dallas). I know their "I will always find you!" moments were supposed to tug at my heartstrings, but the characters never really caught fire for me, individually or as a pair. Part of their dullness could probably be traced back to the couple's lack of on-screen chemistry, part of it could be the things Goodwin in particular was given to do. Mary Margaret as a moony schoolteacher tended to be a little passive for my tastes, but Snow as a badass leading an attack squadron of dwarves was a whole different deal.

As I said, it was good to see "Once" gain narrative steam as Season 1 drew to a close, and the show even managed to tone down the Evil Queen/Regina to the point that I could tolerate her (especially in the first half of the season, Lana Parrilla and her character displayed all the subtlety of a dinner-theater actress doing a third-rate impression of Joan Crawford). But the unevenness of Season 1's side excursions leads me to my main concern about the finale, despite the fact that "A Land Without Magic" was generally very strong.

"Once" wrapped up its season by having Emma (the very capable Jennifer Morrison) break the Evil Queen/Regina's curse on Storybrooke, Maine. But before the townsfolk could revel in the fact that they had regained their memories and lives, Mr. Gold unleashed another curse, the nature of which isn't quite clear yet. It's very tantalizing that Mr. Gold is at the center of Season 2's story, because, more than anyone else on the show, Carlyle has been able to delightfully thread the needle between the heightened tone of fairy-tale world and Storybrooke's more low-key vibe. Any ongoing tale that gives that versatile actor more to do is OK by me.

But here's my big question about Season 2: How many of the side trips we'll inevitably get before that curse is broken will be either useful or interesting? I understand that every show with a 22-episode order is going to have a few clunkers in the mix; that's par for the course. And as I said, I give "Once" credit for displaying a consistent tone as it tightened up its storytelling over the course of its first season.

But unless it's willing to give some of its key characters more depth, do consistently interesting things with supporting characters and go a little darker in Season 2, I fear we'll get too many weightless, ultimately pointless hours when the show returns. And if I'm being honest, if the kind of thrumming pace and heightened stakes we saw in episodes like "The Stranger" or the finale aren't on display most weeks, I'm guessing "Once" will start piling up on my DVR as one of those things I mean to (but don't) watch.

Emma had to learn to trust Henry over the course of the first season; her belief that the fairy-tale curse was real finally allowed her to fulfill the quest at the heart of her heroine's journey. (Sidebar: Kudos to "Fringe" and "Once" for putting ladies at the center of stories about saviors, who, in the stories we choose to tell ourselves, can be whoever we want them to be.) Now it'd be cool if the show demonstrated the same kind of faith in its audience.

I hope the show's writers trust that fans are willing to accept scenes like one of my favorites from the finale: Upon learning that Henry was near death, Emma dragged Regina into a supply closet and got into a tussle with her, and unleashed all the anger she felt about Regina's manipulations. It was a wonderful moment of release and catharsis, and the show needs more of that kind of thing.

Primal emotions, after all, are what lurk in the murky lower layers of fairy tales; there are tales of love and reunion, of course, but a lot of heroic quests begin in anger, revenge, loss or some kind of pain. "Once" clearly wants to be a show that families can watch together, but it doesn't need to stand, as it often does, at a gauzy remove from these kinds of strong feelings and conflicts. What is "Harry Potter" if not a story about loss and dislocation? Same goes for "Hunger Games" (which began life as a young-adult novel), and even in the more sprightly "Doctor Who," the lead character has his heart broken every year or two when the people closest to him leave him.

Whatever age or maturity level people are at, they generally respond to characters going through heavy stuff, because we all go through heavy stuff. I hope "Once" decides to go to those sorts of places more consistently, not just every so often. Emma's desire to leave Storybrooke and her anger at having to deal with her special destiny -- those kinds of things made her human and made me root for her (and of course, part of her appeal comes from the empathic qualities Morrison brought to the role, especially in "The Stranger"). I'm not expecting both versions of every character to have that kind of complexity, but it'd be great if more of them did -- and if more of them clashed in realistic, human ways, not the kind of theatrical ways the Evil Queen/Regina favored.

Given its network and time slot, I don't think "Once" will morph into a show that delves very deeply into the kind of murders, kidnappings, rage and grief that you find in any self-respecting fairy tale. But in Morrison, Bailey and Carlyle especially, the show has actors who can take emotionally charged moments and sell them like nobody's business.

There's a line between simple and simplistic, and there are times when "Once," in its earnest desire to leave no viewer behind, errs on the wrong side of it. But when it gets its own peculiar mixture of romance, sincerity, pain and hope right, it is pretty magical.

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When they started off the scene with Mr Gold with this shot:



they got me wondering if that is a real Martin guitar or a knock-off.

So I already had guitars on the brain when Gold opens up a case that looks just like a Fender guitar case and says "Where you're going you're going to need this."




So now I'm thinking "Why the heck does she need a Fender Stratocastor?"

And that made the think of this old Jim Steinman piece:




LL
LL
post #793 of 1128
If that's a Martin, I've never seen one like it before .. the rosette does not match any Martin I know of ..
post #794 of 1128
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

Again the Queen's motive for hurting Snow is stupid, Snow was a child, and the was Regina's mother that killed her guy..

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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

I agree that some of the set up is shaky. Regina's hatred of Snow because of what she did as a child is hard to believe especially when Regina's mother was responsible for the outcome and Snow could hardly be expected to be able to match wits with Regina's mother.

Yeah but since when do people only do things that are logical and make sense? Consider all the pea-brains right here on AVS who continue to watch shows they don't like and then rant about them


ron
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Originally Posted by Mac The Knife View Post

So I already had guitars on the brain when Gold opens up a case that looks just like a Fender guitar case and says "Where you're going you're going to need this."


So now I'm thinking "Why the heck does she need a Fender Stratocastor

Perhaps it was not a Stratocaster but some special limited edition although, now that I think of it, if it was in a guitar case, you would think it would be an axe and not a sword?!
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

Perhaps it was not a Stratocaster but some special limited edition although, now that I think of it, if it was in a guitar case, you would think it would be an axe and not a sword?!

I don't know why, but when the Fender case appeared, all I could think was Waynes World ..
post #797 of 1128
It seems as if this Season Finale was written to be The Series ender, & it was 'tweaked' at the end, to add a cliffhanger storyline for Season 2...
I'm surprised, since it did so well in the ratings they didn't really need to do a series ender ..

Thoughts:

Clock is at 8:15 again ... This could possibly hint that Gold has 're-set' the curse, & either they're all stuck again AND some/all forgot who they were (hope not), or they're all stuck again w/ knowledge, & Emma will spend half the season trying to at least get the clock 'running' ....

Gold perhaps may be now able to go back & forth between the worlds, Full Rumple when in Neverland, & as Mr. Gold in Maine, & this could open additional storylines & visits (intentional or not) by other main characters into neverland...

They haven't even hinted at who the kid's Biological father may be ( Gold's son, perhaps?).. Wonder if that will factor into S2....
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

If that's a Martin, I've never seen one like it before .. the rosette does not match any Martin I know of ..

Yeah, same here. But with Martin being almost 200 years old, I'm sure I've only seen a tiny fraction of all the variations that have come out of the Martin factory. And that's just the production pieces. God only knows how much one-of-a-kind custom work they've turned out over all those years.
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Finally watched the season finale tonight. Can someone refresh my memory? I can't recall who the guy is who rescued charming and said he gave his heart to the Queen.
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That was the Huntsman that spared Snow White's life. He was the original Sheriff in Storybrooke - Graeme,, I think.
post #801 of 1128
Ok, thanks. I recall him now. Just need a memory nudge every now & then.
post #802 of 1128
The bluray preorder is up at Amazon (late August release)... there's also a coupon on the page for $15 off, bringing the price down to about $30. Not too shabby for 22 episodes.
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Originally Posted by Whitearrow View Post

The bluray preorder is up at Amazon (late August release)... there's also a coupon on the page for $15 off, bringing the price down to about $30. Not too shabby for 22 episodes.

Where is the $15 coupon?
post #804 of 1128
It seems to be gone now It was there at the time I posted, under "Special Offers and Product Promotions." Sorry. I didn't know the coupons (which appear to be all over Amazon now) came and went so quickly.
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Can see the Queen actually becoming a somewhat sympathetic character as Rumple becomes the main antagonist next season. As far as we know- the Queens whole agenda was set in motion because of an actual incident which hurt her

I always thought she was sympathetic and by association also the fairest/hottest of them all.

She hasn't really been that evil throughout the series. What's her body count? And I don't marks out of ten.
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post


I always thought she was sympathetic and by association also the fairest/hottest of them all.

She hasn't really been that evil throughout the series. What's her body count? And I don't marks out of ten.

Well she ripped her own Dad's heart out of his chest so.....
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

Well she ripped her own Dad's heart out of his chest so.....

Yeah, but he had it coming ... I can forgive her.
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Originally Posted by rolltide1017 View Post

I guess I missed something because I didn't understand the big deal with the clock moving at the end. I thought they had made a point a number of times through out the season to say that time started moving forward again when Emma showed up, so what's the big deal with the clock moving now?

Don't know. However time has play an important part of stories before. Turning into a pumpkin at midnight, warewolf at full moon...time travel etc.
post #809 of 1128
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

she has a no nudity contract I think on True Blood.. wouldn't see much of her..

Is there really such a thing?
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Originally Posted by kaydigi View Post

They didnt show what happened with pinnochio after the curse was lifted or did I miss it?

Well, he was made out of wood when there was magic. I don't see why he would turn back all of a sudden.
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