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post #1111 of 1844
5/10/12 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by xpidex View Post

quick question for those denon owners. I know most of you have mention that XT32 is quite an improvement over XT (4311 vs 3312). And I know the Sub eq. factor on XT32.

is this related for 2 sub's system??? (integration, etc) or it applies to 1 sub as well.

I'm trying to decide here if is really woth it expend an extra grand for the 4311 just for XT32 ( I don't care about amp section). Thx!

It is related to BOTH.... a 2 sub system as well as a single sub system.
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post #1112 of 1844
5/10/12 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by xpidex View Post

quick question for those denon owners. I know most of you have mention that XT32 is quite an improvement over XT (4311 vs 3312). And I know the Sub eq. factor on XT32.

is this related for 2 sub's system??? (integration, etc) or it applies to 1 sub as well.

I'm trying to decide here if is really woth it expend an extra grand for the 4311 just for XT32 ( I don't care about amp section). Thx!

XT32 is worth it, especially from someone who has been stuck using ypao. You can get the 4311 pretty cheap now and i suspect they will drop even lower just before it's replacement arrives. Don't hesitate stepping up to the 4311.
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post #1113 of 1844
5/10/12 at 2:12pm
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XT32 is worth it, especially from someone who has been stuck using ypao. You can get the 4311 pretty cheap now and i suspect they will drop even lower just before it's replacement arrives. Don't hesitate stepping up to the 4311.

I personally have not seen new-in-box Denon receivers ever close out for >40% off MSRP (which is where they are now). Maybe a one-off deal at a Magnolia, but not widely available via authorized e-tailer.

So, I don't think they're going to go lower. 40% off MSRP is dealer cost for a high-end unit like the 4311CI.
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post #1114 of 1844
5/10/12 at 2:20pm
for those with 7ch or 5ch systems it might be worth waiting to see if the 3313 has XT32 or not. The street price should be a few hundred below the 4311 pricing and it should be a great bang-for-the-buck for those who don't need 9+ channels if it has XT32.
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post #1115 of 1844
5/10/12 at 2:27pm
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I personally have not seen new-in-box Denon receivers ever close out for >40% off MSRP (which is where they are now). Maybe a one-off deal at a Magnolia, but not widely available via authorized e-tailer.

So, I don't think they're going to go lower. 40% off MSRP is dealer cost for a high-end unit like the 4311CI.

Well authorized they can be had for 1299 jalapeños... Whos to say they won't drop another 100-200 habaneros?
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post #1116 of 1844
5/10/12 at 2:51pm
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for those with 7ch or 5ch systems it might be worth waiting to see if the 3313 has XT32 or not. The street price should be a few hundred below the 4311 pricing and it should be a great bang-for-the-buck for those who don't need 9+ channels if it has XT32.

This is what I'm waiting on. Wasn't Denon releasing the info this week(I know there's still one more day left though...)?
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post #1117 of 1844
5/10/12 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

for those with 7ch or 5ch systems it might be worth waiting to see if the 3313 has XT32 or not. The street price should be a few hundred below the 4311 pricing and it should be a great bang-for-the-buck for those who don't need 9+ channels if it has XT32.

Thanks everyone for your answer. That's why I was asking that question cause I don't care about the amp section and 9 ch. if 3313 has XT32 it will be the way to go!!
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post #1118 of 1844
5/10/12 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

This is what I'm waiting on. Wasn't Denon releasing the info this week(I know there's still one more day left though...)?

I thought the announcement was more towards the end of May???
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post #1119 of 1844
5/10/12 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

This is what I'm waiting on. Wasn't Denon releasing the info this week(I know there's still one more day left though...)?


Denon in the past has been known for missing deadlines although they have revamped so it's a wait and see.
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post #1120 of 1844
5/10/12 at 3:13pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post


Yes, there was a discussion on these features in this thread last week. More details likely to follow later this week with Denon's release of the new "CI" model details.

Important to note that Denon Europe models have differed from the USA models in the past (ie. 1912 has XT, 2311 has preouts) as well as being released shortly after the model releases in the USA, so even if the "3313" (EU model) has XT32, that is no guarantee the same will apply to the "3313CI" (USA model).

I think this post by jd earlier in the week may have got some of our hopes up for more details and info,,.maybe tomorrow or next week?
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post #1121 of 1844
5/10/12 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by spager View Post

Using a superior digital to analog converter (DAC) is even further evidence that Denon is going all out for sound quality and features in the 13 series. I suspect this will be a banner year for Denon.

Not to burst your bubble but they used the same chip in 12 and 11 models. Also, AKM is not a name that is the first that comes to mind when thinking about elite DAC chips. Granted, the implementation of the chip has as much if not more to do with SQ as the chip itself. The 4358's noise and distortion specs aren't quite as good as some Burr Brown (TI), ESS or Wolfson chips, but they're good enough that if it is implemented well it won't matter.
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post #1122 of 1844
5/10/12 at 8:49pm
Higher price?
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post #1123 of 1844
5/11/12 at 4:36am
What do the CI models add in general to the feature list?

I'm trying to guess what the XX13ci will be like. I'm trying to decide between a

AVR-1913 (7.1 @ 90w/ch) - $579 msrp

and

AVR-2312ci (105 watts x 7.1 channels) - $849 msrp (but available for $600)
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post #1124 of 1844
5/11/12 at 5:21am
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

What do the CI models add in general to the feature list?

I'm trying to guess what the XX13ci will be like. I'm trying to decide between a

AVR-1913 (7.1 @ 90w/ch) - $579 msrp

and

AVR-2312ci (105 watts x 7.1 channels) - $849 msrp (but available for $600)

Among other things, the CI models have the D-connector serial interface for advanced automation and are Audyssey Pro capable
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post #1125 of 1844
5/11/12 at 5:28am
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Not to burst your bubble but they used the same chip in 12 and 11 models. Also, AKM is not a name that is the first that comes to mind when thinking about elite DAC chips. Granted, the implementation of the chip has as much if not more to do with SQ as the chip itself. The 4358's noise and distortion specs aren't quite as good as some Burr Brown (TI), ESS or Wolfson chips, but they're good enough that if it is implemented well it won't matter.

Yeah, Denon isn't getting any bragging rights with the high-end set with AKM DAC's. I think the Denon's have good sound for mass-market hifi, but it isn't due to audiophile grade components or revolutionary circuit topologies in general.
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post #1126 of 1844
5/11/12 at 5:36am
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Among other things, the CI models have the D-connector serial interface for advanced automation and are Audyssey Pro capable

Well ... although the 331XCI and 231XCI series are Pro capable, the 211XCI series is not.
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post #1127 of 1844
5/11/12 at 6:15am
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Originally Posted by alokeprasad View Post

What do the CI models add in general to the feature list?

I'm trying to guess what the XX13ci will be like. I'm trying to decide between a

AVR-1913 (7.1 @ 90w/ch) - $579 msrp

and

AVR-2312ci (105 watts x 7.1 channels) - $849 msrp (but available for $600)

Not mentioned, the CI also gives you a 3yr warranty vs the 2yr warranty on the non CI models.
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post #1128 of 1844
5/11/12 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Well ... although the 331XCI and 231XCI series are Pro capable, the 211XCI series is not.

Oh yeah, I always forget about the that one - odd marketing move by Denon, not sure why they made it a CI model.
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post #1129 of 1844
5/11/12 at 7:54am
French website with info/photos/comment thread about AVR-3313. No mention of XT32 here except in the comments...

http://www.hdfever.fr/2012/05/10/den...#comment-17326

Here's another website from France that DOES list/reference XT32 for the 3313...

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualite...-AVR-3313.html

It would be nice to get some official info on this from Denon US... as jd and others have pointed out they could possibly include XT32 in the Euro model and omit it in the US/Canada version...
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post #1130 of 1844
5/11/12 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by khollister View Post

Oh yeah, I always forget about the that one - odd marketing move by Denon, not sure why they made it a CI model.

they like to have lower price points for custom installers to do lower budget installs. Someone might not need to full spread of analog connectivity options, Audyssey Pro capability, etc. that the higher level models have. The 2112ci still provides a lot of other CI features like the 3-year warranty, RS-232 port and IR remote input jacks for automation, ethernet etc.

it seems unlikely that a person buying an AVR that will probably street for $500ish from their installer is going to want to pay several hundred more $$ for a Pro calibration. That buyer is probably going with the 23xx or 33xx (or even 43xx) model.
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post #1131 of 1844
5/11/12 at 12:45pm
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

French website with info/photos/comment thread about AVR-3313. No mention of XT32 here except in the comments...

http://www.hdfever.fr/2012/05/10/den...#comment-17326

Here's another website from France that DOES list/reference XT32 for the 3313...

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualite...-AVR-3313.html

It would be nice to get some official info on this from Denon US... as jd and others have pointed out they could possibly include XT32 in the Euro model and omit it in the US/Canada version...

That's because the Europeans are more sophisticated.
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post #1132 of 1844
5/11/12 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by Sammy2 View Post

That's because the Europeans are more sophisticated.

Or because Europe doesn't get the 4311 replacement and the 3313 will be it's highest available model?
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post #1133 of 1844
5/11/12 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

French website with info/photos/comment thread about AVR-3313. No mention of XT32 here except in the comments...

http://www.hdfever.fr/2012/05/10/den...#comment-17326

Here's another website from France that DOES list/reference XT32 for the 3313...

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualite...-AVR-3313.html

It would be nice to get some official info on this from Denon US... as jd and others have pointed out they could possibly include XT32 in the Euro model and omit it in the US/Canada version...

I would be surprised if the 3313 XT 32 (if it has it) went to Europe and not N. America being that there would not be a model close in price in the 13 series Denon with this feature, thus loosing market to the competitor with the 818 Onkyo.
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post #1134 of 1844
5/12/12 at 8:59am
It could be that they are testing and/or implementing XT 32 on the 3313 and no announcement will come out until all testing is done. The original release date was June and some European sites are now saying the end of July, maybe to implement XT 32. All conjecture now but I imagine they will put some info up by at least the end of the month or early June to start the pre orders and get some buzz on their 3313 avr.
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post #1135 of 1844
5/12/12 at 11:05am
Unfortunately it look´s like no XT 32 on 3312CI.

DENON 3313CI
  • 165wpc 7.1 A/V Receiver
  • HDMI v1.4 allowing for compatibility with 4K,1080p 3D content and displays
  • High Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) v1.4
  • Audio return channel over HDMI
  • Dolby True HD and DTS HD decoding More Info...
  • Support for Dolby Pro-Logic IIz
  • 7x HDMI v1.4 inputs
  • Standby HDMI Pass-through
  • Analogue video up-conversion to HDMI
  • Upscaling to 1080p & 4k
  • World's first A/V Receiver with Zone 2 HDMI output
  • Apple Airplay certified for streaming audio from your iPad/Pod/Phone
  • Denon Link HD
  • Aluminium front panel
  • DLNA 1.5 certified and compatible with Windows 7
  • USB input with iPod Digital
  • Audyssey MultEQ XT room acoustic correction
  • Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume
  • Four Quick-Select buttons
  • AV Sync function (up to 200ms)
  • Pure Direct mode
  • Powered Zone 2 option More
  • RS232, 12v Trigger output & IR in & out
  • FM only Radio Tuner built in
  • Denon Network Party Mode
  • Remote control

Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=7WBdGSeG-ws

Specks - http://www.avland.co.uk/aasp/denon/1...3/avr-3313.asp and http://www.hdfever.fr/2012/05/10/den...#comment-17326 and http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualite...-AVR-3313.html



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post #1136 of 1844
5/12/12 at 11:07am
it's a real shame they don't bring the champagne/silver units over to US!
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post #1137 of 1844
5/12/12 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by papa_laz View Post

it's a real shame they don't bring the champagne/silver units over to US!

You can find them on eBay if you don't want a warranty, lol. I saw a few champagne Yamaha 3010s on the bay when I was looking at my receiver. They are a bit more expensive too.
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post #1138 of 1844
5/12/12 at 11:12am
Another video of thr 3313 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amQUuqAXtdI
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post #1139 of 1844
5/12/12 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by Brazilian View Post

Another video of thr 3313 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amQUuqAXtdI

That video shows there is no XT32 on the 3313. You can see the Audyssey logo on the top panel. It is the Audyssey closer to the center of the unit, not the DSX logo closer to the volume knob. Underneath the word Audyssey is where it says MultEQ XT, it doesn't have the 32 indicator in a bubble. If it did, the entire word "MultEQ XT 32" would right justify under the "U" in Audyssey, above. Which it does not. Therefore, there isn't XT32 on that unit.
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post #1140 of 1844
5/12/12 at 11:24am
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Unfortunately it look´s like no XT 32 on 3312CI.

DENON 3313CI
[*]165wpc 7.1 A/V Receiver[*] HDMI v1.4 allowing for compatibility with 4K,1080p 3D content and displays[*] High Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) v1.4[*] Audio return channel over HDMI[*] Dolby True HD and DTS HD decoding More Info...[*] Support for Dolby Pro-Logic IIz[*] 7x HDMI v1.4 inputs[*] Standby HDMI Pass-through[*] Analogue video up-conversion to HDMI[*] Upscaling to 1080p & 4k[*] World's first A/V Receiver with Zone 2 HDMI output[*] Apple Airplay certified for streaming audio from your iPad/Pod/Phone[*] Denon Link HD[*] Aluminium front panel[*] DLNA 1.5 certified and compatible with Windows 7[*] USB input with iPod Digital[*] Audyssey MultEQ XT room acoustic correction [*] Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume [*] Four Quick-Select buttons[*] AV Sync function (up to 200ms)[*] Pure Direct mode[*] Powered Zone 2 option More[*] RS232, 12v Trigger output & IR in & out[*] FM only Radio Tuner built in[*] Denon Network Party Mode[*] Remote control


Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=7WBdGSeG-ws

Specks - http://www.avland.co.uk/aasp/denon/1...3/avr-3313.asp and http://www.hdfever.fr/2012/05/10/den...#comment-17326 and http://www.audiovideohd.fr/actualite...-AVR-3313.html

The 4311 is looking even more as a 'best buy'....not to mention the 3312. If this is right, other than 'more powerful amps', the new 3313 is offering little more new than 4K compatibility/upscaling, Denon Link HD, and Zone 2 HDMI.
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