When do the 2013 Denon's come out? Any new features we should expect? - Page 42

The details of the video scaling chip in the 3313 are vague on the site. I think only Marvell provides for 4K upscaling, at this point.

Exactly. The display can handle upscaling, and probably just as good as the chips inside the receivers. It is a digital signal being passed around, after all.

Wake me up when we have a 4K source to watch.

The XX11 models were the last to use the ABT chips. Denon switched over to Analog Devices last year and is using a newer AD chip in the XX13 models.

I don't think there is any receivers in the market using ABT (I mean new ones). are they still on business??

I don't know if anyone can comment on the differences; but is clear that Denon is going with AD all the way.

note that Denon dropped the ABT chip last year with the xx12 model, they moved to a new Analog Devices video scaling chip.

the two models with video scaling last year (2312ci and 3312ci) had many users report issues with video degradation but it didn't seem to be a global problem. Home Theater Mag gave the 3312ci glowing marks for video performance, with the only "FAIL" being some high rez roll-off in Chroma Resolution (which the vast majority of receivers fail also). Notably it did fine with all deinterlacing tests so the AD chip seemed to do its job: http://www.hometheater.com/content/d...-labs-measures

I'm curious to see what chips they used in the new models. EDIT: looks like they are sticking with AD?

Interesting to see as well we don't have the bunch of logos showing on the front. does anyone knows the reason for this??

Looks ugly. Yamaha at least hides theirs and im sure Denon took note of it.

There are a number of errors on all of the various model spec pages which I have forwarded to the web manager.

Got it - I didn't look into the xx12 series AVRs when I switched to Denon, so I'll take your word for all of that.

Silly as it sounds, the VP is the only area where I felt I went 'backwards' by moving from last years' SC Elite to the 4311. But there's only so much you can do to clean up cable (where the ABT does a decent job on SD), and at any rate my Oppo has the Marvell QDEO to upscale DVDs, so the only loss is in cleaning up Internet streams from the Web. If you don't mind watching YouTube from the Oppo, or Web browsing from an iDevice (I stream the iPad to an ATV3 that has an A5 chip), it's no big loss ultimately.

Is this a good thing? EDIT: AD vs Marvell

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Didn't really see any glowing reports on last year's chips in the XX12 Owner's thread. We'll have to watch the XX13 Owner's thread to see what the "CI" model owners think of the newer AD 4K chips.

VHD1900 is still a hard chip to beat. Yamaha and Onkyo have had great success with it. Which version AD chip is Denon using now?

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AFAIK, last year's chips were AD's first stab at video chips used in an AVR so the newer 4K ones will be new as well.

4311 refurbished or 3312 new ?

upgrading from a pioneer vsx1120k

Found this post on Electronic House's website ...

"There are currently 2 versions of 4K, half rate and full rate. Full rate is used in Digital Theaters, while A/V products on the market that have 4K scaling' only do half rate as the current HDMI 1.4a can only pass half rate, unless you use 2 HDMI 1.4a outputs and inputs on the display. The next version of HDMI will permit full rate pass-through via a single cable."

It's like the LCD panel refresh rate increase year after year... Does it make sense to invest this early in 4k? New tv, new transport and a new avr? Up scaling as is isn't a breath taking experience compared to say 1080p content. So with 4k content coming down the pipe 3-6 years from now, our avr's should be at a higher hdmi spec supporting full rate 4k anyways with all of the bugs worked out. So far this is starting to look a lot likethe 3D roll out.

Just found this article on 4k cinema cameras. Canon hits 4k at 2012 nam

Still looks like there is still limitations based off the lenses used Because of sensor cropping. However, I not sure if Canon has a strong footing in the cinema camera market like Sony does.

I was in exaclty the same shoes as you do. I just order my 4311 and will replace the same Pio you have.

does the 4311 has the same gui features the 3312ci has?

I'm very interested in the overlay the 3312ci does of the volume and other features, But I'm not sure if the 4311 does.

The other issue is I don't have the money to get the 4311 new (2000$) but I found the 3312 at 777 which I do have

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The 4311CI can only overlay volume/GUI on 2D video while the 3312CI can do so over both 2D and 3D. For a better price on the 4311CI (just under 2x cost of 3312CI) pick up the phone and "call" AV Science or Electronics Expo.

You guys may want to look at your bills. It's $6/mo receiver....

I just order it and haven't received yet./ I can assure the GUI will be better than the Pioneer.

Your budget will always dictate what way you have to go and in that case 3312 still a good runner. I was looking to see if 3313 was going to be a major improvement and I personally don't think so.

the main 2 differences I can point out between 4311 and 3312 is XT32 and amp section.

I don't live in the US that might make it harder to buy from a brick and mortar store if they dont ship either way I will try and see what can I get.

I do 98% of the time 2D so that works for me


a 3 year old drawing will be better than the joke of gui of the pioneer.

Yeah XT32 is what motivates me to get the 4311 and the comments around here that the 4311 is amazing at sound level

Just a thought here, but now that Denon USA has released the information on the XX13's maybe the mods should lock this thread because speculation is over (except the 4520 which is something completel different in that it doesn't end in 13)?

So, is HD Radio gone from the 2013 Denons? :-(

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Nah .. still carries over from the 3312CI to the 3313CI.

It is getting difficult to follow two threads when the other one you and batpig created is factual. I suppose with time this one will die of natural causes.

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Really? Nah. Try doing it with 20 or more threads on a regular basis!

FYI, there's a feature that will speed things up for you if you're not already aware of it ... at the beginning of every thread that you have visited there is an icon with a down arrow just before the thread title that reads "Go to first new post" which will take you to the post just after the last you previously viewed when last in that thread.

Yup. It isn't coordinated with my android app, though..

So if this one were locked you'd only need to follow 19 threads.

(Re: HD Radio)

Ok, I'll take your word for it. I just didn't see it in the feature comparisons, the feature set, or your own list of reported features. (Will you add it to the latter?) I see it now mentioned in one of the manual downloads. It looks like it also has AM Radio.

Thanks.

They killed the AM tuner, but the HD and FM tuner is still there.