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post #1291 of 1844
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Originally Posted by mjpearce023 View Post

Yeah the owners manual for the 818 shows there is no SubEQ HT which is one of the main reasons to have XT32 in my opinion. I don't see why anyone with two subs would get the 818 over the 4311. I guess its a one up on the 3313 to have XT32 but still with no SubEQ HT it wouldn't make much of a difference to me. The 818 is off my list and Ill just keep my 3311 unless the 4311 drops some more.

just to "defend" the 818 for a moment, not having SubEQ HT isn't the biggest omission. Even without it XT32 is still a big step up from XT as you get the 512x sub channel filter resolution (not to mention the same 512x resolution on the satellite channels which is a MASSIVE upgrade from XT, especially in the bass region above the subwoofer).

The only difference presumably is that the receiver doesn't do the distance/level match independently for the two subs. Remember even with SubEQ HT the two subs end up being equalized as one unit, so that part is identical. The separate "pings" are just used to set distance and level for each one individually. If your subs are relatively equidistant and you are able to level match them yourself, the end result should be essentially identical.
post #1292 of 1844
I am not against Denon's i have had them for 14 years.
post #1293 of 1844
While reading this thread I saw mention made that the 4311 could handle optical digital being sent to Zone 2.
What I am trying to do is have my ATV 2 send the normal HDMI to main zone but on occasion be able to Airplay via the ATV2 over to Zone 2 while watching cable or dvd on main zone. It would be nice if I didn't have to stick another adapter into my cabinet to change optical out from ATV to analog and this would avoid the normal issue of built in Airplay on Denon not playing nice with multiple independent zones.

Can I do this?

Sorry if this question has been asked before.
post #1294 of 1844
Yep. You just need to double connect the ATV with both hdmi and optical and off you go.
post #1295 of 1844
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Probably to avoid cannibalizing sales from the 4311 in the short term and the 4520 going forward. Given the existing and future models with XT32, there didn't seem to be any reason (other than the AVS rumor mill) to think that the 3313 was going to have it.

I suspect you are right, and I also suspect Onkyo found out and blindsided them with putting a slightly crippled XT32 into a lower end model. Had Denon know about what Onkyo was doing, I think they would have matched them.
post #1296 of 1844
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Yep. You just need to double connect the ATV with both hdmi and optical and off you go.

I have a confession to make. Seeing that I am well behind the curve in i-Pods and the whole Apple thing I did not know what ATV was. When a member commented earlier that he wanted to use his AVR with his ATV I couldn't understand how he could use his A(ll)T(errain)V(ehicle) with an AVR.

Bill
post #1297 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I have a confession to make. Seeing that I am well behind the curve in i-Pods and the whole Apple thing I did not know what ATV was. When a member commented earlier that he wanted to use his AVR with his ATV I couldn't understand how he could use his A(ll)T(errain)V(ehicle) with an AVR.

Bill

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post #1298 of 1844
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Had Denon know about what Onkyo was doing, I think they would have matched them.

I think some of you guys have a myopic view of these things. XT32 requires a lot of processing power, more than a single AD21487 DSP can handle, and still include all the features the Denon wants/needs. So, to add XT32 to the 3313CI, it would require an architecture change vs. the 3312/2313, which is obviously something they did not want to do, or found too costly to implement.

Denon knows what Onkyo is doing. They have a lot more insight into their competitors than folks who read message boards.
post #1299 of 1844
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

just to "defend" the 818 for a moment, not having SubEQ HT isn't the biggest omission. Even without it XT32 is still a big step up from XT as you get the 512x sub channel filter resolution (not to mention the same 512x resolution on the satellite channels which is a MASSIVE upgrade from XT, especially in the bass region above the subwoofer).

The only difference presumably is that the receiver doesn't do the distance/level match independently for the two subs. Remember even with SubEQ HT the two subs end up being equalized as one unit, so that part is identical. The separate "pings" are just used to set distance and level for each one individually. If your subs are relatively equidistant and you are able to level match them yourself, the end result should be essentially identical.

I'm not knocking the 818, I'm sure it's a fine receiver but I just personally wouldn't upgrade to it since it doesn't have all the features that the other XT32 receivers have. I spent a good amount of time level matching my subs and I think they sound pretty good but I would like to try SubEQ HT and see if it does a better job. I will be moving within the next year and I think it would be great to not have to level match the two subs the next time I set them up.
post #1300 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I have a confession to make. Seeing that I am well behind the curve in i-Pods and the whole Apple thing I did not know what ATV was. When a member commented earlier that he wanted to use his AVR with his ATV I couldn't understand how he could use his A(ll)T(errain)V(ehicle) with an AVR.

Bill

So you're saying my plan to swap out the CB radio with a 4311 won't work?

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post #1301 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

I think some of you guys have a myopic view of these things. .... They have a lot more insight into their competitors than folks who read message boards.

agreed. and they also have more insight into their CUSTOMERS than we do.

Once could just as equally vent against Onkyo for only having 2EQ in their lower models at price points where Denon offers XT.

The bottom line is this is an enthusiast niche forum, some of the things we fret about here are not sales drivers on the mass market. I highly doubt XT vs. XT32 is driving THAT many decisions at the $1k price point.
post #1302 of 1844
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Originally Posted by holt7153 View Post

So you're saying my plan to swap out the CB radio with a 4311 won't work?

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Hey Steve,

I'd say go for it. I'm assuming you will run XT32 outside and not in your garage.

Bill
post #1303 of 1844
I have a question/concern about the new Denon Link HD regarding whether or not it will be backward compatible w/ DL 3/4th....would it be worthwhile to call Denon's "talk to an expert"
line? Does anyone know an email address @ Denon for this type of question? If jdsmoothie, batpiig, or anyone else could advise I would really appreciate it. Thanks.
post #1304 of 1844
my guess is that some phone CSR isn't going to know diddly about something so specific and niche -- especially since we are still weeks/months away from the release of any product that has it -- but by all means go for it and please tell us what they say!
post #1305 of 1844
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

my guess is that some phone CSR isn't going to know diddly about something so specific and niche -- especially since we are still weeks/months away from the release of any product that has it -- but by all means go for it and please tell us what they say!

I realize this is a niche question started not to post it but since the AVR-3313CI is up on website and supposedly available in June thought I'd give it a try. Thanks for your reply and all you do to help, setup guide,etc. Perhaps when Denon puts the owners manual for the 3313 up for download there might be some more details about DLHD.
post #1306 of 1844
So unlike a lot of users on these boards, I'm very excited about the zone capabilities and really like the added zone 2 HDMI. I do have one question about it that probably nobody can answer at this time, but I'm interested in opinions.

Do you think it will be possible to run the Zone 2 HDMI output over a decent distance (still within HDMI limitations...say 30ft) and have it as the input of a second AVR? My setup would be something like having a 3313CI in the living room with most of my sources...run the HDMI Zone 2 approx 30ft to be an input to a second 3313CI in the bedroom...that second one would then be hooked up to the bedroom system and have its own HDMI Zone 2 go to a TV in the office. My sense would then be that the bedroom and office (via the bedroom AVR via the zone 2 of living room AVR) would both have access to living room sources (obviously not different ones simultaneously since living room AVR can only send 1 to zone 2). Would that work? A rep I've worked with at a local place doesn't seem to think so...

Also...I know the 2013s will have independent AirPlay to zone 2....how is that likely to interact with zone 3? Would zone 3 be independent as well? Would it play main zone's or zone 2's? Waiting on the owner's manual to find out...doubt it's independent even though that would be awesome (and best).
post #1307 of 1844
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

I have a question/concern about the new Denon Link HD regarding whether or not it will be backward compatible w/ DL 3/4th....would it be worthwhile to call Denon's "talk to an expert"
line? Does anyone know an email address @ Denon for this type of question? If jdsmoothie, batpiig, or anyone else could advise I would really appreciate it. Thanks.

FWIW, while a valid concern I will eat my hat if it is not backward compatible. A lot of users would be up in arms if Denon pulled this on us.

From Denon's website:

For phone support, please contact 201-762-6665 in the US and 905-475-4085 if calling from Canada. The Support team is available Mon-Fri, 9 AM to 8 PM EST.

I haven't found a link for email questions, but haven't logged in with my account to check. If there is one I suspect it's there.
post #1308 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post


FWIW, while a valid concern I will eat my hat if it is not backward compatible. A lot of users would be up in arms if Denon pulled this on us.

From Denon's website:

For phone support, please contact 201-762-6665 in the US and 905-475-4085 if calling from Canada. The Support team is available Mon-Fri, 9 AM to 8 PM EST.

I haven't found a link for email questions, but haven't logged in with my account to check. If there is one I suspect it's there.

This, from Denon's AVR-3313CI web page...
"The AVR-3313CI also incorporates Denon Link HD, Denon's proprietary jitter-free audio transmission technology. This technology IS DESIGNED TO WORK WITH DENON'S DBT-3313CI UNIVERSAL BLURAY/DVD/CD PLAYER."

The wording of this along with the back panel photo of the AVR-3313CI which reveals the new connection makes me worried we'll both have to eat our hats!
Thanks for your help will try calling Monday. Found another phone
# 1-855-MY-DENON. I have also posted the question on Denon and Denon Australia Facebook pages.
post #1309 of 1844
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post


The Denon US webpage on the AVR-3313CI now has more detailed specs and downloads available...

http://usa.denon.com/US/Product/Page...313CI(DenonNA)

From the above URL:

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Denon Link HD Jitter-Free Audio Transmission Technology
The AVR-3313CI also incorporates Denon Link HD, Denon's proprietary jitter-free audio transmission technology. This technology is designed to work with Denon's DBT-3313CI Universal Blu-ray/DVD/CD Player.

So it looks like the DBT-3313CI will have the Denon Link HD capability - definitely not an ethernet Cat 5e cable... more like a digital coaxial cable.

Cheers.
post #1310 of 1844
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

I have a question/concern about the new Denon Link HD regarding whether or not it will be backward compatible w/ DL 3/4th....would it be worthwhile to call Denon's "talk to an expert"
line? Does anyone know an email address @ Denon for this type of question? If jdsmoothie, batpiig, or anyone else could advise I would really appreciate it. Thanks.


Sorry but no, not backward compatible ... the Denon Link HD on the 3313CI will ONLY be compatible with the new DBP-3313UDCI Blu ray player.
post #1311 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Vyrolan View Post

So unlike a lot of users on these boards, I'm very excited about the zone capabilities and really like the added zone 2 HDMI. I do have one question about it that probably nobody can answer at this time, but I'm interested in opinions.

Do you think it will be possible to run the Zone 2 HDMI output over a decent distance (still within HDMI limitations...say 30ft) and have it as the input of a second AVR? My setup would be something like having a 3313CI in the living room with most of my sources...run the HDMI Zone 2 approx 30ft to be an input to a second 3313CI in the bedroom...that second one would then be hooked up to the bedroom system and have its own HDMI Zone 2 go to a TV in the office. My sense would then be that the bedroom and office (via the bedroom AVR via the zone 2 of living room AVR) would both have access to living room sources (obviously not different ones simultaneously since living room AVR can only send 1 to zone 2). Would that work? A rep I've worked with at a local place doesn't seem to think so...

Also...I know the 2013s will have independent AirPlay to zone 2....how is that likely to interact with zone 3? Would zone 3 be independent as well? Would it play main zone's or zone 2's? Waiting on the owner's manual to find out...doubt it's independent even though that would be awesome (and best).

Welcome to AVS Forum.

1. Yes, within HDMI distance limitations as you suggest.
2. Yes, in theory this should work as well.
3. Same restriction removed from Zone 3 as well, although if you have an Airplay source selected in one zone, you would have to play the same source on Zone 3 as well (ie. can't have one song playing in one zone and another song in another).
post #1312 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Sorry but no, not backward compatible ... the Denon Link HD on the 3313CI will ONLY be compatible with the new DBP-3313UDCI Blu ray player.

Yeah, this is troubling. I have been waiting for the successor to the DBP-4010CI for Denon Link 4th compatibility to match my 4311CI but am now afraid that it will come out with Denon Link HD.

Cheers.
post #1313 of 1844
^^
Correct. That is most likely the case.
post #1314 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post


Sorry but no, not backward compatible ... the Denon Link HD on the 3313CI will ONLY be compatible with the new DBP-3313UDCI Blu ray player.

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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post


Yeah, this is troubling. I have been waiting for the successor to the DBP-4010CI for Denon Link 4th compatibility to match my 4311CI but am now afraid that it will come out with Denon Link HD.

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Correct. That is most likely the case.

Thanks jd very much for the info. My situation is the same as TK01...no reason to wait now. .
post #1315 of 1844
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

Thanks jd very much for the info. My situation is the same as TK01...no reason to wait now. .

Yeah, I just tried to order a DBP-4010CI but was told they aren't available any longer. :-( Looks like a catch-22.

Cheers.
post #1316 of 1844
^^

Monoprice to the rescue with an adapter perhaps?
post #1317 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Sorry but no, not backward compatible ... the Denon Link HD on the 3313CI will ONLY be compatible with the new DBP-3313UDCI Blu ray player.

Will the DBP have a regular DL 3/4 connection in addition to DL HD?
post #1318 of 1844
I know this is a Denon thread, but I found this interesting feature on the Onkyo 818 when looking at the manual...

An active digital crossover system in the 818 for bi-amping..

I haven't ever seen this in a product from any of these companies, much less at this price point...

From the manual....

Quote:


Digital Crossover provides a separate routing system by splitting the audio signal into separate frequency bands optimized for each speaker driver. It provides a fine, three- dimensional sound field that extend each driver's performance to the uppermost.

With its built-in time alignment function, this system also adjusts the sound shifting that occurs when there is a physical offset between sound drivers. At a digital processing level, it corrects this offset by delaying the related audio signal.

Although this function is meant for speakers without crossover network, it can also be used with bi-amped speakers.

In this case, set the crossover network on the AV receiver as the speakers' built-in network frequency is not used.

Crossover
250Hz, 320Hz, 400Hz, 500Hz, 630Hz, 800Hz, 1000Hz, 1250Hz, 1600Hz, 2000Hz, 2500Hz, 3200Hz, 4000Hz, 5000Hz

Output Band for Test
High + Low, High, Low:
Select the output for the audio signal.

Overlap
No
Yes

With this setting, a frequency band near the specified crossover frequency is output by both tweeters and woofers. Based on the frequency selected for Crossover, the cutoff frequency of the low-pass filter (LPF) will be set to 1/3 octave up and that of the high-pass filter (HPF) to 1/3 octave down. Example: With a Crossover of 3200Hz, the cutoff frequency of the woofers' LPF will be 4000Hz, and the tweeters' HPF will be 2500Hz.

High Level, Low Level
-6.0dB to 0.0dB to +6.0dB in 0.5 dB steps

With this setting, you can set the volume of tweeters and woofers.

High Phase, Low Phase
0o
180o:

With this setting, you can adjust the phase of tweeters and woofers.

High Distance, Low Distance
0inch(0.0cm) to 12inch(30.0cm) in 1 inch(2.5 cm)
Audio Adjust
Note
steps
With this setting, you can adjust the virtual position of tweeter and woofer units.
Adjusting High Distance virtually shifts woofers behind tweeters. Adjusting Low Distance virtually shifts tweeters behind woofers.
post #1319 of 1844
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Will the DBP have a regular DL 3/4 connection in addition to DL HD?

That I don't know, but in all likelyhood .. no.
post #1320 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

FWIW, while a valid concern I will eat my hat if it is not backward compatible.

uh oh.....
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