When do the 2013 Denon's come out? Any new features we should expect? - Page 50

If the 3313 can do something, the 4520 can do the same thing, more things, better. No confusion.

Thanks, got it. I think I've FINALLY found one receiver that will do everything I want. I'm not aware of anything else that does all of the below:
HDMI matrix switch
Audessey XT32
9 amps (independent zone 2 and 3 through speaker posts with 5.1 in main zone)
Digital audio sources (optical but not HDMI) to zones 2 an 3 through the speaker posts - actually do we know this for sure - the 4311 does so I'm thinking it would but...
Remote control via android phone

I do wish the 4520 cost a little less but if I can finally find one AVR that meets all of my goals I'll just bite the bullet on cost and be done with it!

AFAIK, not confirmed one way or the other. The 3311CI and 3312CI are also capable of this feature, however, it was removed on the 3313CI with the addition of the Zone 2 HDMI output.

JD and BatPig, thanks for the input. I REALLY hope that the 4520 will be able to output digital audio to zones 2 and 3 as I've been a Denon fan for years and would love to stay with them (currently own a 3805 and very happy with it). It's just that I spend a lot of time on my back deck (zone 2 with audio and video) and front deck (zone 3 audio only). Most sources are HDMI now and I really want to be able to listen to all sources in all zones. I could even deal with running one extra cable to make this work but in some cases I would have to run the HDMI cable for video then the optical out to a cable to a converter box to a cable to the receiver for each source that doesn't have analog outputs but does have have optical. For some streaming boxes there's not even an optical out having HDMI and HDMI only (ROKU2 XS being an example). My dream scenario is that the 4520 would be able to decode HDMI audio and I could use one cable for every source and still be able to listen to all sources in all zones. I believe that I read in one of these threads that nobody does this but I' think that may be changing. It looks like Onkyo will have this feature as described here: http://www.us.onkyo.com/press_releases.cfm?id=267 and the text below.

HDMI connectivity has also been enhanced by adding Zone2 HDMI connectivity that removes the need for a secondary analog connection in order to access audio in a second zone. Powered audio is available in up to three zones simultaneously—with multi-zone playback and setting controls managed by remote app.

If the 4520 has any type of digital output (hdmi or optical) for zones 2 and 3 I'll probably stay with Denon. If it's going to be analog only I'm thinking of going with the Onkyo to make my life easier. Is there any reason I shouldn't consider the new Onkyos since they have the feature set I am looking for?

Edit: I know I can accomplish some of my goals with converter boxes, converter cables, or additional amps but I just want to plug everything into one box and not have the extra cabling.

Now that it is confirmed that the Onkyo 1010 on up will have SubEq and XT32, I think Denon is going to be in trouble this round. We will have to wait for the 4250 price to be sure where it falls so we can compare it the Onkyo lineup. It is an interesting time!

The bolded portion does not imply "digital" to all 3 zones, rather simply that there is "powered" audio to each Zone (analog or otherwise).

So based on your interpretation you feel HDMI audio can go to zone 2 but not zone 3? How about optical audio on the Onkyos? Can that be sent to all zones?

Correct (based on my interpretation). The Onkyo will likely offer the same feature as the 3313CI and 4520CI in that HDMI audio/video can go to a 2nd zone only. As Onkyo never had the capability to pass PCM 2.0 over optical/digital coax to Zone 2, it's unlikely (but still possible) that this feature would be included in the 1010, especially now that Denon has removed the feature from the 3313CI.

to add on....

a hdmi sink would still be required in zone 2.... it is highly unlikely that it will process the hdmi input, convert it to analog, and then send it to zone 2...

the matrix switch sits "before" the input is processed by the avr... when they say "zone 2 hdmi connectivity", that's exactly what they mean... an hdmi out to a subzone...

Thanks guys. I was thinking and hoping I'd be able to just plug in an HDMI cable from a source and pump sound to any zone. Whoever figures this out will make a lot of people happy. If this is just another matrix switch like the Denon 3311 them I'm back to leaning Denon's way again.

what you describe almost certainly not the case. You will need a 2nd HDMI sink in the other zone to decode/process.

it's really not a matter of "figuring it out"... it would be easy (relatively speaking) to implement.... the problem is that it would add a significant cost to the bill of materials for a feature that very few buyers would actually use.... you would require two completely independent hdmi paths in the avr, not to mention double the processing power....

Any guesses on the depth of the 4520?
Closer to 15" or 19"?

A few folks have posted already having the spec sheets on hand; however, unless one posts the actual dimension, it's more likely to be closer to the 16 1/2" on both the 4311CI and 4810CI.

I believe that the upcoming Emotiva XMC-1 will take the main zone HDMI audio and downsample it to zone 1 & zone 2 analog outputs.

Shouldn't Denon be anouncing the 4520 within the next couple weeks? Isn't it supposed to come out in september?

http://www.cedia.net/expo/index2012.php

Press release scheduled for mid/late August with product release at CEDIA (Sep).
Edited by jdsmoothie - 7/27/12 at 3:10am

Will the 4520 have 7.1 analog inputs?

^^^

unknown at this time, but i would wager that it will...

Is it reasonable to conclude that the 4520 won't be able to pass through a 4K signal, only upscale a lower resolution as the new onkyo 3010/5010?   I know 4K source material /playback/pj/monitors won't be available for a couple years at least, but I don't plan on upgrading the avr for quite a time longer and dealing with a dual hdmi output player to my pj would be a PIA.

no, not reasonable at all. The xx13 model product specs and manuals clearly indicate 4k passthrough is supported.

 That may be the deciding point for me for the Denon 4520 over the Onkyo 3010. I know this is premature but I'm following closely the new Red laser 4K pj expected to be released by end of year. The pass through function would certainly eliminate the need for dual hdmi output,  if the first 4K players even have them.

Is it expected that the 4520 will have Sub EQ, which I understand allows to equalize 2 subwoofers?

yes, it's not going to LOSE anything compared to the 4311.

^Except compatibility with DenonLink3rd and 4th Denon players?

And probably some analog connectors.

I assume this means the 4520 will be able to output optical digital signals to zones 2 and 3? Or is this still yet to be determined? Thanks.

Still unknown, especially as that feature was removed from the 3313CI.

This is a good feature, I use it all the time for my Squeezebox and AppleTV. Too bad it looks to be permanently gone from Denon's lineup.