When do the 2013 Denon's come out? Any new features we should expect? - Page 52

As already noted in this thread ... MSRP is $2499 with street price likely somewhat less from some of the authorized resellers.

no need to guess -- msrp will be $2,499 (half-way between the 4311 and 4810).

^ Yep, and at nearly double the street cost of the 4311, don't think for a second that I (and umpteen others) won't be attempting to justify the significant additional cost for what are sure to be very slight tangible "upgrades".


James

^^^

yes, "we" are...

Nice front picture.

Slightly clearer rear drawing-

http://pl.horn.eu/pl/PL/PRODUKTY/DLA_DOMU/DENON/AMPLITUNERY_KINA_DOMOWEGO/AVR-4520?s1=1

Just noticed besides S-Video going the way of the Dodo, there is no more Optical Output either
Edited by Spizz - 8/20/12 at 4:14am

hmmm... from that spec sheet, 3 "differences" from the 4311 jump out (other than the "new" dl protocol)...

- matrix switching of hdmi sources...
- "instapreview"...
- on board network switch (i'm assuming it's a switch and not a hub)...

I realize the pdf spec sheet is for the European 4520 but does anyone see anything about assignable amps?
Edited by Irwinroad - 8/21/12 at 5:21am

when I look to the Rear-Panel, I suppose the Amp Assign will be the same like the 4311.
Amp Assign for
- Back Surround
- Front Wide
- Front High

On the lower level models, the "Amp Assign" speaker posts are designated with a label as such; however, given they are all likely "assignable" on the 4520, there's no reason to label them as such on this model.

Absolutely love the look. Really, really, clean and elegant...knobs have that "machined" appearance. Prolly be one that will be hard to walk away from after fiddling with it and oohing and ahhing over the build uptick from the 4311- which is great of course- just not exactly 10/10 in the fit n finish department. You know us gear-heads...just wait till we get our hands on something...:D

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 8/20/12 at 7:10am

The network switch is only 10/100. Wonder why they did that?

Likely because for the vast majority of buyers with only 10-15Mbps internet connections and maybe at most 2-3 other devices connected, the 10-100 switch is more than sufficient and keeps the unit cost down.

ahh, but you missed one feature that is AFAIK all-new for Denon: under the analog audio inputs it says "assignable" and all the analog inputs (save PHONO of course) are numbered!

.... and looks like I was correct with my reading of the composite video inputs/outputs. looks like the 3 composite video inputs are assignable as well. This assignability could actually be useful to people using analog to feed a traditional multizone setup.

honestly this had extremely limited utility, it was only good for feeding a single SPDIF source to SDPIF output, you couldn't cross-convert any other audio types. Basically only useful if you have a digital recorder or something.

I think the addition of HDMI Matrix switching and the ability to pass through a second HDMI source will have far more utility that that optical output.

Is there only 1 light for "Wide" and 1 for "Height"? and Sub as well?

1 for each of H/W and 2 for subs (SW, SW2).

There is no audio or video format that can max out 10/100Mbps. If you are really pushing that much data, a dedicated switch is going to be a smarter (and cheap) solution.

Bit surprised we are not seeing 8 or more REAR (who wants to permanently connect a device using the front input, lol? ) HDMI's with this unit, at this price. It's not an issue for me (BD Changer, SACD, D* HR 24, AppleTV, PS3) but those with a few videogame systems, media players, and/or an HTPC could be running into trouble with such a hi(er')-end unit (Onyko and Yammy have less expensive models with 8 and 7 rear ports, respectively).

It seems pretty clear virtually every A/V device around will be outputting HDMI...you'd hate to hamstring yourself while spending ~$2.5k.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 8/20/12 at 11:55am

It is hard to read but it looks like the 4520 is made in Japan. Nice to see there is a 7.1 analog input as Onkyo dropped it from their 3010 and 5010 AVRs. The 4520 looks like a real nice unit as far as features and a much better looking front panel than the 4311. The 4520 might be the one to replace my 4311 in a year or two .

Bill

^^^

actually, front hdmi ports can be rather useful for hooking up "temporary" devices (ipad, etc.)... but i agree i wouldn't want one permanently hooked up to the front...

i guess if they put a dozen hdmi inputs, it still wouldn't be enough for some, so they drew the line at 6...

lol... i just ignore all that analog stuff...

yup, it do look that way...

Front panel HDMI is really nice. My 4311 has it, but my AVP does not. It is very handy to use for a camcorder, or something you need to hook up quickly to test.

I'm not disputing the fact that a front HDMI port is handy, I simply said it's not desirable to permanently connect a device via it which some hi-end users with 8-9 components could perhaps be "forced" to do. I think I provided pretty reasonable examples and showed that the competition provides more on cheaper AVR's. It's really not the end of the world, simply an observation.

James

Yup ... 4520CI is made in Japan.

I think 16.5 kg works out to 36.4 lbs...that seems kind of light, lighter than my AVR-3808A! I really think that 6 HDMI is a huge mistake and should have been 8 rear like the Onkyo 3010/5010. I mean they took away a bunch of inputs from the 4311..S Video etc and if they are trying to reflect the current times and leave the past behind, that means increasing the HDMI inputs. I am currently using all 7 HDMI inputs on the back of my Onkyo 3009.

no they didn't really. Other than S-video, the 4520's rear panel inputs are basically the same:

- They both have 6 rear + 1 front HDMI input, but the 4520 adds the 3rd Zone 4 HDMI output
- Component video - they both have 3 inputs but 4520 adds a Zone output
- They both have 7.1 ch multich analog inputs
- They both have 11.2 pre-outs
- 4520 has 3 composite video inputs whereas 4311 has 4; both have 3 outputs
- Both have one main zone analog audio output + Zone 2 and 3 pre-outs
- Both have PHONO analog input with pre-amp, and 6 other standard analog audio inputs
- Both have front + rear USB inputs
- Both have RS-232 inputs + two 12v trigger outs
- Both have 2 optical + 2 coax SPDIF inputs; 4520 drops the optical out record loop

So add it all up and the total "losses" are one composite video input, 2 S-video inputs, and the optical out. Boo hoo. However, you gain a component video output for multizone, the Zone 4 HDMI matrix output, and a 4-port ethernet switch.

I do agree that 6 rear HDMI inputs is a bit meager for a "flagship" product though, 7 or 8 would have been better.... but the idea that they "took away a bunch of inputs" is just false, sorry.

I understand the uses, just dissapointed they didn't have both to cover all uses.

And yet you mention 4 inputs/outputs that are missing And yes it is boohoo for me as I would of used some of those, even if others didn't. And for a Flagship product, really what have been the extra cost to keep those onboard while adding the others?
Edited by Spizz - 8/20/12 at 2:11pm

If you download the pdf on the model it actual says Made in Japan on the back of the model so that is good news.

Looks like the depth of the 4520 is 421mm.

for those of us who deal in old money, that's 16.5" (give or take)... how deep is the 4311?