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post #1591 of 1844
Are there any plans for a model in between the 3313 and 4520 like a 3813 or something? Seems like quite a gap there.
post #1592 of 1844
Nope.
post #1593 of 1844
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Originally Posted by waltie View Post

By the way, what devices the new Denon link Hd will affect

Only the new Denon devices with the same Denon Link HD jack (ie. DBT-3313UDCI) will be capable of connecting to the 4520CI using the Denon Link HD jack.
post #1594 of 1844
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Originally Posted by mnc View Post

Are there any plans for a model in between the 3313 and 4520 like a 3813 or something? Seems like quite a gap there.

I agree that there is quite a gap between the 3313 and the 4250. Maybe a 4313 would be another suggestion wink.gif.

Bill
post #1595 of 1844
My obsessive patience (?) has finally paid off and a new 4000 series is being released. smile.gif

Are there any forum sponsors taking pre-orders for the 4520 yet?

V
post #1596 of 1844
Crap. The double blind are here too?

I've had the Marantz SA8003 against the KI Lite and it's quite noticeable KI made some quite audible changes to the machine bearing his name. The Marantz house sound goes through to their 11 and 15 reference range.
post #1597 of 1844
^^^

i would suggest you pick a different term to denigrate with, as that particular one is HIGHLY HIGHLY offensive...
post #1598 of 1844
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

i would suggest you pick a different term to denigrate with, as that particular one is HIGHLY HIGHLY offensive...

+1000

Godwin's law is validated yet again.
post #1599 of 1844
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Originally Posted by papa_laz View Post

where is the link to the owners manual for the 4520 - all I see on that euro site is a link to the 2 page pdf file?
There was no manual AFAIK it is only the 2 sheets.
post #1600 of 1844
Unsettling that the 4520 weighs less than the 4311. How are they getting that "extra" power? Traditional class A/B amps require capacitors and transformer cores to supply current. More, not less, is what gives you more power.
post #1601 of 1844
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Originally Posted by IwantmyTHX View Post

There was no manual AFAIK it is only the 2 sheets.

+1

The Owner's manual has not been published yet. The "manual" on that website is just a 2 page product sheet. Denon didn't publish the 3313CI Owner's manual for a few weeks after it was released so anticipate a possible delay with the 4520CI manual as well.
post #1602 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

Unsettling that the 4520 weighs less than the 4311. How are they getting that "extra" power? Traditional class A/B amps require capacitors and transformer cores to supply current. More, not less, is what gives you more power.

the 190wpc is likely a 6 ohm spec... which would be the same, iirc, as the 4311... the euro datasheets seemingly often spec 6 ohms...

they likely shaved some weight off the casing, random spots in tne chassis, etc... of course, that doesn't mean that the power supply hasn't been put on a diet... wink.gif plus a bit larger fan that operates at a slightly higher rpm (which would be completely inaudible when it was called upon to work at that rpm) would go a long way towards reducing weight related heat removal requirements...

plus cutting out the s-video ports saved AT LEAST an ounce... may even two... tongue.gif
post #1603 of 1844
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post


plus cutting out the s-video ports saved AT LEAST an ounce... may even two... tongue.gif
They gave that back with the new denon link connection though.wink.gif
post #1604 of 1844
Just out of curiosity, has there been any further word on the alleged "advanced" pre-amp mode for the 4520? IIRC, Batpig speculated this might mean a true shut down of the amp's power supply when using this mode. If they do indeed make this a reality for the new model then there seems little point in producing a separate pre/pro for the foreseeable future.

Chris
post #1605 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Hudda View Post

Just out of curiosity, has there been any further word on the alleged "advanced" pre-amp mode for the 4520? IIRC, Batpig speculated this might mean a true shut down of the amp's power supply when using this mode. If they do indeed make this a reality for the new model then there seems little point in producing a separate pre/pro for the foreseeable future.

Chris

There would still be the slightly reduced air flow as a side effect of simply having the physical objects (circuit boards, transistors, etc) getting in the way.
post #1606 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Hudda View Post

Just out of curiosity, has there been any further word on the alleged "advanced" pre-amp mode for the 4520? IIRC, Batpig speculated this might mean a true shut down of the amp's power supply when using this mode. If they do indeed make this a reality for the new model then there seems little point in producing a separate pre/pro for the foreseeable future.

Chris

come now chris... you should know by now that the mere presence of the amplifiers in the box, whether powered on or not, do so much damage that they render the music virtually unlistenable....

tongue.gif
post #1607 of 1844
I haven't seen any more mention, just the marketing copy that claims "Advanced Pre-Amp Mode" and "Free Amp Assign". Everything beyond that AFAIK is speculative.
post #1608 of 1844
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

come now chris... you should know by now that the mere presence of the amplifiers in the box, whether powered on or not, do so much damage that they render the music virtually unlistenable....
tongue.gif

Mea Culpa. wink.gif It works perfectly as implemented in the 4311 but you are right - there will always be those who won't consider anything but physical separates. It's always irked me that the preamp version of an avr platform minus the amps virtually always costs more than than the box with the amps. Denon is smart by heading in this direction. Lower manufacturing costs by producing an all-in-one box. smile.gif

@batpig - Thanks for the update. We shall see...

Chris
post #1609 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Hudda View Post

Just out of curiosity, has there been any further word on the alleged "advanced" pre-amp mode for the 4520? IIRC, Batpig speculated this might mean a true shut down of the amp's power supply when using this mode. If they do indeed make this a reality for the new model then there seems little point in producing a separate pre/pro for the foreseeable future.
Chris

Considering the marketing for the 4311CI is " ... and there's also a special Pre-Amp only mode that completely disables the internal power amplifiers", regardless of the 4520CI wording, we may have to wait for an actual 4520CI owner to confirm what is actually happening.

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Originally Posted by Hudda View Post

Mea Culpa. wink.gif It's always irked me that the preamp version of an avr platform minus the amps virtually always costs more than than the box with the amps.

Marantz charges $100 less for the AV7005 than the SR7005, and likely to be the same with the AV7701 and the SR7007 as well.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 8/23/12 at 4:49pm
post #1610 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

The house sound was still in the Marantz SA-8003 I had a few years back.

If the Marantz AV8003 had any "house sound," it was due in part to a contoured frequency response that actually lowered fidelity.



http://www.hometheater.com/content/marantz-av8003-processor-and-mm8003-amplifier-ht-labs-measures

AJ
post #1611 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Hudda View Post

Mea Culpa. wink.gif It works perfectly as implemented in the 4311 but you are right - there will always be those who won't consider anything but physical separates. It's always irked me that the preamp version of an avr platform minus the amps virtually always costs more than than the box with the amps. Denon is smart by heading in this direction. Lower manufacturing costs by producing an all-in-one box. smile.gif
@batpig - Thanks for the update. We shall see...
Chris

To be fair, the Denon processor (AVP) has a more advanced architecture/design, so it's not really correct to compare the price to their similar reciever version (AVR-5308CI).
post #1612 of 1844
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the abandoning of backwards-compatibility for DenonLink is definitely a bummer, no argument from me there.

I wonder if it will be possible for someone to create a DL to DL-HD converter.

I imagine that it would take a fair amount of reverse engineering to understand the two different interfaces and that Denon will have no interest in it because they want to sell their new BluRay players, not continue to support the older DVD players.
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post #1614 of 1844
The official announcement for the 4520CI has been pushed back to CEDIA Sep 5-8 with the actual release of the unit by vendors being late Sep/early Oct.
post #1615 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Perhaps a device like this would work?
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-V2eztpYKySa/p_190C5DA/Niles-C5-DA.html

JDSmoothie, that seems like it would do the electrical and physical adaptation, but without seeing the pin out assignment, we don't know if it will be compatible with DL3 RJ45.

It might take a bit of surgery inside the case, or a specially wired CAT6 cable to go between this and the AVR DL RJ45 connector.

As I mentioned in the AVP thread, my take is that DenonLink HD is nothing more than DenonLink 4 that routes all audio streams over HDMI and uses the DenonLink cable strictly for clock signal. Since it's just a clock, they dropped the RJ45/CAT6 link, and went to simpler coax-based method of clock signal exchange.

Surely some adapter (maybe this one as we speculate) can be engineered to match the new to the old. From a protocol basis, I doubt they changed the signaling..
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Can someone post that pic as a standard attachment? Not everyone has FB.
post #1618 of 1844

Here you go..
Looks similar to the 4311 in general architecture..
post #1619 of 1844
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Originally Posted by petetherock View Post


Here you go..
Looks similar to the 4311 in general architecture..

Thanks! Seems rather shallow, but there could be something wrong with the image. It would be nice if we can find a similar pic of the 4311.
post #1620 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The official announcement for the 4520CI has been pushed back to CEDIA Sep 5-8 with the actual release of the unit by vendors being late Sep/early Oct.

 

Thanks Jd for the update, I've set my sights on this model after hearing some of the design quirks of Onkyo 3010 wouldn't work best for my set up.  Oh well, was hoping these would have been available right after the show, but now have a little more time to divert funds from my paycheck to the 4520 Fund :)

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