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post #1681 of 1844
Just read it - as someone that's sound quality focused, LFC and 32-bit ALC are about the only things that seem remotely useful over the feature set of the 4311. With a plasma set that's < 80",and a preference for BluRay quality over Oppo to streaming over Netflix, I don't think I'll particularly care about "new smoothest diagonal edge video interpolation" and 4K pass-through, and I'm not going to be cranking my 8 ohm speakers above reference enough to need "high current" or "high burst" power. Or know if they really make a difference over a presumably less "high burst" enhancement.
The rest of the improvements are functions in search of a purpose IMO, at least for most users, if you cough up a hundred bucks or so for ATV and own iDevices, the smartphone functionality is redundant. And $400 extra to have Neo:X and a prettier GUI aren't worth it by themselves.
post #1682 of 1844
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

re: matrix...
yup... sorry to the op, we had discussed that so much before, i should have pointed out exactly what the cut sheet said and what it implied... redface.gif that will help out a few people... it's "limited", in that it appears (from the cut sheet wording) it will ONLY send a different source to the hdmi zone than what is being sent to the main zone...
they should also really say "upscales to almost 4k"...

That's it ccotenj - you're off the list! No 4520 for you tongue.gif

Yeah, I was wondering about the odd upscaling number as well. Meaningless, but strange.
post #1683 of 1844
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Originally Posted by sdrucker View Post

Just read it - as someone that's sound quality focused, LFC and 32-bit ALC are about the only things seem remotely useful over the feature set of the 4311. With a plasma set that's < 80",and a preference for BluRay quality over Oppo to streaming over Netflix, I don't think I'll particularly care about "new smoothest diagonal edge video interpolation" and 4K pass-through, and I'm not going to be cranking my 8 ohm speakers above reference enough to need "high current" or "high burst" power. Or know if they really make a difference over a presumably less "high burst" enhancement.
The rest of the improvements are functions in search of a purpose IMO, at least for most users, if you cough up a hundred bucks or so for ATV and own iDevices, the smartphone functionality is redundant.

+1

I'm not interested in LFC for my setup (no need, thankfully), but if it works as advertised, a lot of sub manufacturers are going to be contacting old clients who live in apartments and condos.
post #1684 of 1844
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

re: matrix...
yup... sorry to the op, we had discussed that so much before, i should have pointed out exactly what the cut sheet said and what it implied... redface.gif that will help out a few people... it's "limited", in that it appears (from the cut sheet wording) it will ONLY send a different source to the hdmi zone than what is being sent to the main zone...
they should also really say "upscales to almost 4k"...

That's it ccotenj - you're off the list! No 4520 for you tongue.gif

Yeah, I was wondering about the odd upscaling number as well. Meaningless, but strange.

bah... humbug... biggrin.gif

it makes sesnse, in that it is the uhdtv standard for 2160p... "4k" consumer displays will come in this flavor...
post #1685 of 1844
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

bah... humbug... biggrin.gif
it makes sesnse, in that it is the uhdtv standard for 2160p... "4k" consumer displays will come in this flavor...

Wasn't up to speed on the uhdtv standard of 3840 × 2160 . Thanks - learned something today.

Can't say I've spent much time digging into the details of 4K - guess it's time.
post #1686 of 1844
Yup ... and UHDTV2 (8Kx4K) is 7680x4320 (IMAX) – 16x resolution of 1080p
post #1687 of 1844
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Yup ... and UHDTV2 (8Kx4K) is 7680x4320 (IMAX) – 16x resolution of 1080p

Think my 1960's black and white 13" CRT will support that? smile.gif
post #1688 of 1844
Maybe on the commercials. tongue.gif
post #1689 of 1844
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

bah... humbug... biggrin.gif
it makes sesnse, in that it is the uhdtv standard for 2160p... "4k" consumer displays will come in this flavor...

Wasn't up to speed on the uhdtv standard of 3840 × 2160 . Thanks - learned something today.

Can't say I've spent much time digging into the details of 4K - guess it's time.

oh, it's such fun... smile.gif

as a general rule... 4k displays are gonna be 3840x2160 (uhdtv 2160p standard)... 4k pj's* pretty much look to be 4096x2160 ("real" 4k)... which introduces some interesting decisions for whoever decides to provide source material/players...

* putting aside the jvc "faux-k"... which i have heard looks quite good...
post #1690 of 1844
Hometheater.com mentioned the 4520 in it's CEDIA media preview. Of all things they chose to highlight the ethernet hub rolleyes.gif

"...with four, count 'em, four ethernet inputs. "
post #1691 of 1844
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Originally Posted by DANNER View Post

Hometheater.com mentioned the 4520 in it's CEDIA media preview. Of all things they chose to highlight the ethernet hub rolleyes.gif
"...with four, count 'em, four ethernet inputs. "

Yeah, funny thing is they are all excited about this, and while it is a good idea, Sony ES started this like 2 years ago
post #1692 of 1844
I read that the 4520 was lighter than the 4311. But Amazon is taking pre-orders of the new model and it states the 4520 weighs 49.1 pounds agains the 4311's 38 pounds. Is that correct?
post #1693 of 1844
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I read that the 4520 was lighter than the 4311. But Amazon is taking pre-orders of the new model and it states the 4520 weighs 49.1 pounds agains the 4311's 38 pounds. Is that correct?

Amazon is way wrong.
post #1694 of 1844
Never rely on Amazon specifics...
post #1695 of 1844
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Originally Posted by waltie View Post

I read that the 4520 was lighter than the 4311. But Amazon is taking pre-orders of the new model and it states the 4520 weighs 49.1 pounds agains the 4311's 38 pounds. Is that correct?

Yup .... roughly 2lbs lighter. Amazon lists 41.9 lbs, but still a tad high.

post #1696 of 1844
I see the specs are now listed

When the "Digital to Analog Conversion Multi Zone Outputs" does not have a check mark

Does that mean no running Optical In to Zone2?
post #1697 of 1844
Yes, that's what it means (which is the case with the 3313CI as well), although Denon spec pages are often either wrong or not correctly documenting a feature and therefore not always reliable. The Owner's manual is the only reliable document other than testing it in person.
Edited by jdsmoothie - 9/7/12 at 8:12am
post #1698 of 1844
Here's a blurb about the announcement at CEDIA of the 4520. It's mostly noteworthy for the quote from Denon's product planning manager about the new unit delivering on "Performance is Everything":

http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/Denon-Offers-New-Flagship-9-2-Channel-AVR-4520CI-Home-Theater-Receiver.shtml

I wonder who's going to do the honors and start up a 4520 thread next month?
post #1699 of 1844
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I see the specs are now listed
When the "Digital to Analog Conversion Multi Zone Outputs" does not have a check mark
Does that mean no running Optical In to Zone2?

Lovely. So I can now forget about running my optical DirecTV/AppleTV to Zones 2 and 3.

And yes, I realize the 4th zone can accept a discreet HDMI.

BTW: re the 4th zone HDMI: will it be able to send the same HDMI input that the 1st is receiving? I know the new onykos cannot.

Perhaps we don't/will not know for a spell.

Wouldn't exactly pin the lack of 2 channel digital inputs to other zones under "Performance is Everything, but, sigh, I saw this coming.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 9/7/12 at 10:20am
post #1700 of 1844
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Lovely. So I can now forget about running my optical DirecTV/AppleTV to Zones 2 and 3.
And yes, I realize the 4th zone can accept a discreet HDMI.
BTW: re the 4th zone HDMI: will it be able to send the same HDMI input that the 1st is receiving? I know the new onykos cannot.
Perhaps we don't/will not know for a spell.
Wouldn't exactly pin the lack of 2 channel digital inputs to other zones under "Performance is Everything, but, sigh, I saw this coming.
James

I may stick with my 4311 if this is the case. Having AppleTV in Zone2/3 is important to me. You'll have to buy one of those finicky optical to analog converters.

Someone could make a killing with an AVR that would take HDMI audio and down mix to stereo for the other zones.
post #1701 of 1844
the 3313ci manual doesn't indicate that you can't do the same source in HDMI Zone 2 as with main zone, and in fact they offer a specific caveat (pg 103 of the manual) that selecting the "same input source for MAIN ZONE and ZONE2" may cause issues with audio/video playback (i.e. potential handshake errors with two HDMI sinks).

I can see why Onkyo wouldn't allow this, as it may be easier to introduce this restriction and avoid any potential handshake nonsense, but since the 3313ci allows it I would imagine the 4520ci will as well.
post #1702 of 1844
Of course the big problem is that- seeing you already cannot play back 2 channel digital sources to the zones- you essentially have no means of playing the same digital source in both zones.

So someone with a $3,000 Onkyo AVR cannot play an appletv back in Z1 and Z2 as of September 2012?

L A M E.

Seems Denon is racing to catch up to them in this regard. Hopefully the identical HDMI source will at least work with the 4520. Some may spin it however they wish, but a $2500 flagship AVR in 2012 should be able to send digital inputs to its zones- at least those of a stereo variety.

And not that it matters, but is the zone receiving the discreet 2nd HDMI signal with the 4520 the "4th"?

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 9/7/12 at 11:31am
post #1703 of 1844
yes, the HDMI zone output is designated as "Zone 4", meaning it can be a separate source from the standard Zone 2 and 3 stereo output.

on the 3313ci the HDMI Zone source is tied to Zone 2.
post #1704 of 1844
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the 3313ci manual doesn't indicate that you can't do the same source in HDMI Zone 2 as with main zone, and in fact they offer a specific caveat (pg 103 of the manual) that selecting the "same input source for MAIN ZONE and ZONE2" may cause issues with audio/video playback (i.e. potential handshake errors with two HDMI sinks).
I can see why Onkyo wouldn't allow this, as it may be easier to introduce this restriction and avoid any potential handshake nonsense, but since the 3313ci allows it I would imagine the 4520ci will as well.

I can definitely verify that this works properly on the 3313. Chances are the 4520 is using the same Silicon Image matrix switch chip, which means it's a full matrix implementation (any of the 6 inputs can be connected to any of the two outputs, or both.
post #1705 of 1844
What is the crying about? Doesn't ATV have analog out? Or Dish? Generally, the analogs are ALWAYS active even if using HDMI. This is how I use my LG BD570 to play audio to Z2 using L/R analog output AND HDMI to Z1. Really isn't an issue at all. rolleyes.gif
post #1706 of 1844
Analogue output on the ATV isn't the best, so I can understand what HDMI or optical is important for some.
post #1707 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

What is the crying about? Doesn't ATV have analog out? Or Dish? Generally, the analogs are ALWAYS active even if using HDMI. This is how I use my LG BD570 to play audio to Z2 using L/R analog output AND HDMI to Z1. Really isn't an issue at all. rolleyes.gif

The ATV2 and ATV3 have HDMI and optical only so an optical--> analog converter is required.
post #1708 of 1844
Looks like Denon is moving away from the AKM DACs and returning to Burr Brown DACs in the 4520CI.
post #1709 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Looks like Denon is moving away from the AKM DACs and returning to Burr Brown DACs in the 4520CI.
This is a good thing, yes? I mean, just a curiosoty question as I believe my 4310 uses Burr-Brown DACs as well...
post #1710 of 1844
Burr Brown DACs certainly have more hype about them, but in reality, whether there's really any noticeable difference is likely another story as they are only a piece of the puzzle.
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