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post #1711 of 1844
Fair enough...cool.gif
post #1712 of 1844
Video and article out on the 4520 at Digital Trends.

The Product Manager in the video says "This particular unit happens to have three HDMI monitor outputs: dual Simultaneous, the matrix out, plus a dedicated zone 2 component video output, giving the ability to actually have 3 video zones". So the 4520 is kind of a 7x3 video switch with 1 of the 3 being being component and the other 2 being HDMI. Not a true full 7x3 HDMI switch, but still nice that it's got 3 output zones.

The DigitalTrends staff got to hear an 11.2 demo which impressed them. They also noted that the HDMI switching was pretty fast, so I'm looking forward to a good user experience in addition to all the features and great A/V performance.
Edited by DANNER - 9/7/12 at 11:11pm
post #1713 of 1844
So who's placed an order for the 4520CI here in USA?
1st user report?
post #1714 of 1844
Keeping in mind that the 4520CI isn't likely to be released for another 4 weeks.
post #1715 of 1844
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Originally Posted by DANNER View Post

Video and article out on the 4520 at Digital Trends.

The Product Manager in the video says "This particular unit happens to have three HDMI monitor outputs: dual Simultaneous, the matrix out, plus a dedicated zone 2 component video output, giving the ability to actually have 3 video zones". So the 4520 is kind of a 7x3 video switch with 1 of the 3 being being component and the other 2 being HDMI. Not a true full 7x3 HDMI switch, but still nice that it's got 3 output zones.

The DigitalTrends staff got to hear an 11.2 demo which impressed them. They also noted that the HDMI switching was pretty fast, so I'm looking forward to a good user experience in addition to all the features and great A/V performance.

just a note... remember that the "component out" will only work with a "component in".... not hdmi...
post #1716 of 1844
if anyone out there has two sinks that don't share common input resolution capabilities, it would be interesting to see a test that shows things "working the way they should" (i.e. the source sends the lowest common denominator) vs. "it fails"...

"working the way it should" would at least show that the avr isn't "doing anything" when this situation occurs... it won't prove that it will "always work", but will at least allow us to point to the source (or the sinsk, but that's unlikely) when it doesn't...

similarly, "it fails" won't prove the avr isn't doing anything (could still be a source/sink problem), but it would give us a data point to work with...

c'mon, someone "break it", so we can figure it out... smile.gif
post #1717 of 1844
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

So who's placed an order for the 4520CI here in USA?
1st user report?

I have mine on order... Hoping to get it before Oct... (Finally replacing my still-wonderful 4306)
post #1718 of 1844
Something I find interesting...I noticed that this model is missing any 7.1 Surround DSP's... including the "7.1 Widescreen" DSP....

That is something I use quite a bit...what do you guys think is the replacement?
post #1719 of 1844
Nothing as it's more than likely a feature. Although "Widescreen" mode was dropped from the lower level models a few years ago, that section of the "Sound Modes" was likely just copied from the 3313CI spec page which is why it was mentioned a few posts back not to trust the spec pages, rather wait until the Owner's manual comes out for confirmation.
post #1720 of 1844
I just placed an order for mine at Amazon and hope to get it soon. I will be selling my 4308 on ebay once it arrives. My 4308 is bulletproof and is working beautifully but need some of the new features. I hope the unti works as described and I do not run into any major issues...
post #1721 of 1844
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

I just placed an order for mine at Amazon and hope to get it soon....I hope the unti works as described and I do not run into any major issues...
Cool to hear your in the game. I missed the "unti". Is that some sort of Updated New Technical Interface?tongue.gif
post #1722 of 1844
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Originally Posted by DenonLover View Post

I just placed an order for mine at Amazon and hope to get it soon. I will be selling my 4308 on ebay once it arrives. My 4308 is bulletproof and is working beautifully but need some of the new features. I hope the unti works as described and I do not run into any major issues...

You are my benchmark then!
I also have the 4308CI since Dec-2007 in basement HT.

I'll be reading the 4520 owners thread come October.

Expecting good reports, etc, the 4308 will go into my family room setup as replacement to 2000 Onkyo 787.


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Edited by mtbdudex - 9/9/12 at 3:05am
post #1723 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Strider- View Post

I can definitely verify that this works properly on the 3313. Chances are the 4520 is using the same Silicon Image matrix switch chip, which means it's a full matrix implementation (any of the 6 inputs can be connected to any of the two outputs, or both.

When playing a DD/DTS 5.1 source to both Zone 2(HDMI) connected directly to a TV and the main zone, does the audio in the main zone get down mixed to stereo as well or does it pass as DD/DTS 5.1?
post #1724 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

When playing a DD/DTS 5.1 source to both Zone 2(HDMI) connected directly to a TV and the main zone, does the audio in the main zone get down mixed to stereo as well or does it pass as DD/DTS 5.1?

That I'm not sure (I'm on the opposite side of the planet from my 3313 right now, so I can't double check) but I suspect that the Sony i've got hooked up to zone 2 takes the 5.1 and down mixes itself, so it's not a very good test. Right now, I have all the analog home-run to the receiver anyhow, so it's a bit of moot point as long as it doesn't actually force the main zone to 2 channel. :P

My eventual plan is to actually use my AVR-888 to drive zone 2, with the thing set to remote #2 so as to not get things confused for the remotes.
post #1725 of 1844
I'm more interested to learn whether the main zone still plays 5.1, so please report back when you're back in town. Thanks.
post #1726 of 1844
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Originally Posted by DANNER View Post

Video and article out on the 4520 at Digital Trends.
The Product Manager in the video says "This particular unit happens to have three HDMI monitor outputs: dual Simultaneous, the matrix out, plus a dedicated zone 2 component video output, giving the ability to actually have 3 video zones". So the 4520 is kind of a 7x3 video switch with 1 of the 3 being being component and the other 2 being HDMI. Not a true full 7x3 HDMI switch, but still nice that it's got 3 output zones.
The DigitalTrends staff got to hear an 11.2 demo which impressed them. They also noted that the HDMI switching was pretty fast, so I'm looking forward to a good user experience in addition to all the features and great A/V performance.

DigitalTrends video and data says that I'll put 150 watts per channel and on Denon's Uk website it says 190 watts per channel... Maybe the info on the video is not as accurate?
post #1727 of 1844
no, one is the 8-ohm spec and the other is the 6-ohm spec.

you can see them both listed in the specs on this product sheet: http://usa.denon.com/DocumentMaster/US/de_avr4520ci_e3_eng_bg101.pdf
post #1728 of 1844
150 @ 8-ohm
190 @ 6-ohm
post #1729 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

150 @ 8-ohm
190 @ 6-ohm

I am assuming the 4Ohm is around 230?
post #1730 of 1844
Somewhere around that ... on the 4311CI it's around 220W @ 4-ohm.
post #1731 of 1844
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no, one is the 8-ohm spec and the other is the 6-ohm spec.
you can see them both listed in the specs on this product sheet: http://usa.denon.com/DocumentMaster/US/de_avr4520ci_e3_eng_bg101.pdf

My bad.. I fell on the marketing product display.. Thanks for clearing that up
post #1732 of 1844
Not that it's the end of the world, but with the ability to send 2 channel PCM to the alternate zones, one of advantages of the Denons over the Onkyos has been lost.

I was just thinning aloud: is there anything else one should consider when contrasting a 4520 vs say an Onk 30 or 5010?

thanks.

James
post #1733 of 1844
After thinking about it, as this unit sits, there's simply no way I can send my appletv to three zones like I currently do. Just no way.

HDMI 1 and 4 can cover (2) of course (WRONG! See edit below), but nothing for the third. Unless any HDMI's input audio can be pumped to any zone and I'm misinformed.

I also can currently overlay my DirecTV input with the toslink for the apple tv and have it go to the other (2) zones so I can watch the D* video in the main room with apple tv audio in all 3...great for sport get-togethers.

That too is now lost.

Wow, this is so frustrating with a $2500 avr.

Odd how it was important enough to have it around on the upper-level AVRs for years and now it simply vanishes. Did they assume that one additional HDMI output would replace it when the reality is what most people REALLY want is simply stereo music pumped to other areas? Sheesh.

WAIT/EDIT: actually- unless I'm in error here- you cannot pump the HDMI audio ANYWHERE ELSE without incorporating another AVR to take on the HDMI output of zone 4!!! This is is dreadful.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 9/12/12 at 6:39am
post #1734 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

What is the crying about? Doesn't ATV have analog out? Or Dish? Generally, the analogs are ALWAYS active even if using HDMI. This is how I use my LG BD570 to play audio to Z2 using L/R analog output AND HDMI to Z1. Really isn't an issue at all. rolleyes.gif

Nice unnecessarily hyperbolic response. When you understand the appletv (and many other modern media streamers) do not possess analog outputs, you can begin to understand why this is an issue for those who want to simply playback music in other zones.

Not that deep, really, Just a crap omission that has a real consequence for a good number of users.

James
post #1735 of 1844
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Not that it's the end of the world, but with the ability to send 2 channel PCM to the alternate zones, one of advantages of the Denons over the Onkyos has been lost.
I was just thinning aloud: is there anything else one should consider when contrasting a 4520 vs say an Onk 30 or 5010?
thanks.
James

Low Frequency Containment and a usable 12v trigger are the two that pop into my mind.
post #1736 of 1844
sorry for taking over this thread, but I did recall a "workaround" I had thought of in the past:

what if you just split the analog outs of zone 4 to your amp and the analog ins of the apple tv input? Then the other zone that does not accept HDMI or digital could work off those analogs?

Oh wait, there's no analog outs for zone 4 so forget it. Also, forget any audio that's not coming out of a television for zone 4 unless you incorporate another AVR or pre/pro and separate amplifier.

and the additional zone hits just keep on coming...

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 9/12/12 at 6:41am
post #1737 of 1844
I too am disappointed in Denon's decision to eliminate the digital inputs to zones 2 & 3 (4?) And as much as I hate to use them, there is a solution...

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042302&p_id=6884&seq=1&format=2

Ed
post #1738 of 1844
^ Problem is I've heard they're not terribly reliable.

Outside of the Neo X, 2nd HDMI, and borderline worthless 4k up-scaling and LFC, the 4311 looks like 99+% of the machine at 50% of the price.

James
post #1739 of 1844
Monoprice shows a 91% (of 250 reviews) rating, so it apparently works for the majority of users.
post #1740 of 1844
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WAIT/EDIT: actually- unless I'm in error here- you cannot pump the HDMI audio ANYWHERE ELSE without incorporating another AVR to take on the HDMI output of zone 4!!! This is is dreadful.

welcome to the party tongue.gif

it's a matrix switch, it doesn't actually have a complete 2nd HDMI decoding/processing solution. It just passes through. You don't have to have another AVR, you could send that output directly to another HDMI display (e.g. have a multich setup in the living room and then also feed HDMI to a bedroom TV or something).

It's not really the same concept as the traditional "zones" and it's easiest not to think of it in that light, but rather just as an HDMI matrix switch built in (which is what it is).

I also think it sucks that they got rid of the SPDIF 2.0 PCM to other zones, but the problem is solved with a simple optical>analog converter as pointed out above.
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