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post #1771 of 1844
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

Thanks to all who have posted info from the 4520 German owner's manual.
Does the 4520 still have a HDCD decoder like previous models (4x10,4311,
5308,etc)?
If anyone has downloaded the German owner's manual for the DBT-3313UD,
do we know yet how the player handles SACD over HDMI and Denon Link HD?
Specifically, I'd love to know if the SACD as PCM is hi-res (88.2 or 176.4 kHz)...
(some previous models output DSD as PCM @ 44.1 kHz)

The A1UDC, 4010 and A100 send out DSD when partnering with a DenonLink compatible AV Pre or AVR
post #1772 of 1844
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

Thanks to all who have posted info from the 4520 German owner's manual.
Does the 4520 still have a HDCD decoder like previous models (4x10,4311,
5308,etc)?
If anyone has downloaded the German owner's manual for the DBT-3313UD,
do we know yet how the player handles SACD over HDMI and Denon Link HD?
Specifically, I'd love to know if the SACD as PCM is hi-res (88.2 or 176.4 kHz)...
(some previous models output DSD as PCM @ 44.1 kHz)

No mention of HDCD anymore in the 4520 manual. For DBT 3313 DSD over HDMI is possible. Not clear how DSD to LPCM is performed if necessarily. For BD and DVD LPCM is stated as: 2 Hz - 88 kHz (192 kHz Sampling).
post #1773 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

PREAMP Mode
The exact same wording is used as in the 4311 manual so the 4520 likely reacts the same as the 4311 (ie. amps remain active with signal cut to them).

According to the German manual, all amps are shut down when in pre-amp mode: "Wenn der Vorverstärker-Modus verwendet wird, ist der Betrieb des internen Leistungsverstärkers abgeschaltet und die Störung des Vorverstärkers durch den Leistungsverstärker kann damit reduziert werden". To reduce interference...
post #1774 of 1844
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Originally Posted by KidHorn View Post

I agree that having 9 internal amps is somewhat confusing. I would think they would either have 7 or 11. My guess is they had an older model that had 9 and could only use 9 and it was cheaper to re-use it then to design a new setup. Anyone buying the 4520 who wants to go beyond 7.x will go to 11.x. The only reason to stop at 9.x would be because you don't want to use an external amp.

I bought the Onkyo 3010, which has the same limitation as the 4520 wrt amps. I stopped at 9.2 because I do not have anywhere to put front wides.
post #1775 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Mark1000 View Post

According to the German manual, all amps are shut down when in pre-amp mode: "Wenn der Vorverstärker-Modus verwendet wird, ist der Betrieb des internen Leistungsverstärkers abgeschaltet und die Störung des Vorverstärkers durch den Leistungsverstärker kann damit reduziert werden". To reduce interference...

Yes, and as I noted, this is exactly the wording used in the 4311 manual as well, which isn't the case in reality.
post #1776 of 1844
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

I'm still a bit skeptical about losing my DenonLink4 4010 and 4810 combo but I doubt I want to switch to the lower spec new BDP so it looks like it's either the Marantz AV PrePro based on the 4520 or Onkyo's 5510

I'm using the DL4/4310/4311 combos myself with the DBP-A100 version of the 4010.
Is your comment "lower spec new BDP" a reference to the DBT-3313UD w/DL HD?
Please elaborate on how you think it is lower spec compared to the 4010, I'm
interested in your skepticism and would appreciate hearing more about your impressions
and opinion irt 4520/DBT-3313...
Wonder if next year they'll come out with a DBT-4520UD?
Maybe not, OPPO may have killed the $1500-2500 player market...

If you look at the brochures of the 4010 vs the 3313, it seems to me the 4010 was pitching to be more of a reference level product. I recall that was what they originally pitched it as.

I still use the 4810 with external power amps and really looking to upgrade to another 11 channel device that can do DTS Neo X and LFC along with XT32.
Edited by Woof Woof - 9/16/12 at 6:49am
post #1777 of 1844
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

Thanks to all who have posted info from the 4520 German owner's manual.
Does the 4520 still have a HDCD decoder like previous models (4x10,4311,
5308,etc)?
If anyone has downloaded the German owner's manual for the DBT-3313UD,
do we know yet how the player handles SACD over HDMI and Denon Link HD?
Specifically, I'd love to know if the SACD as PCM is hi-res (88.2 or 176.4 kHz)...
(some previous models output DSD as PCM @ 44.1 kHz)

HDCD was dropped.


post #1778 of 1844
Well, more waiting and more cost, but if THIS thread is accurate http://www.avsforum.com/t/1425856/integra-dhc-80-4-prepro-speculation it appears those who do not need amplifiers will have an option for multi-zone HDMI/digital zone playback. Enter the Denon "8000" pre/pro. We'll see how accurate it is as I believe Denon has already produced a PRE/PRO with an identical model number although I could be wrong, it's been a while. smile.gif

It's prolly the rumored Marantz 8800/1 pre anyway.

Regardless, prices on pre/pros don't tend to move much until they near the end of their product line-life, so if this one doesn't I'll likely be sticking with my 4311 for awhile as I'm not spending $3,000 for marginal "upgrades".

YMMV.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 9/17/12 at 6:00am
post #1779 of 1844
Yes, more likely the Marantz 8801 which will have the same capability as the 4520CI in that Zone 4 (HDMI) but analog only to Zones 2/3.
post #1780 of 1844
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

why is it confusing? it's the same way that it's been done for years with both the highest end Denon (4810, 4311) and Onkyo (starting with the x008 models) receivers, plus I believe even newer flagship Pios and Yammy's have 9 amps. It's not like they arbitrarily decided to do this for the first time with the 4520. So maybe it's confusing only if you haven't been paying much attention to the high end receiver market.
yeah, sorry, that's just false...

Just because everyone does it doesn't change my opinion. I've read many posts from people who wish they included 11 internal amps. So I'm far from being alone in my opinion.
post #1781 of 1844
I agree, it would be nice if the flagship receivers had 11 amps. Had the economy not stayed bad for these last 4 years, they might have built them with the extra amps and beefier power supplies and therefor much higher cost. But since the economy is not good and does not look to get better any time soon, but companies built cheaper receivers so they would survive until the economy actually does improve. While it sucks, it is the reality of the situation. In 6 or 8 years from now, I suspect you will start to see a new level of flagship receiver like there used to be in the past. Until then, buy a 2 channel amp.
post #1782 of 1844
What's the ampere needed to drive 11 channels from 1 plug?
post #1783 of 1844
^^^

how long is a rope? wink.gif

not enough information given to give an intelligent answer... need to know the load...
post #1784 of 1844
I suspect not enough for a regular 10A or 15A plug
post #1785 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yes, more likely the Marantz 8801 which will have the same capability as the 4520CI in that Zone 4 (HDMI) but analog only to Zones 2/3.

C'mon JD, you KNOW the 8801 will offer HDMI to ALL FOUR ZONES! smile.giftongue.gif

James
post #1786 of 1844
I don't know if this has been posted, but amazon has the 4520

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-4520CI-Networking-Theater-Receiver/dp/B0092KZCKC
post #1787 of 1844
they are taking pre-orders-check out the availability statement
post #1788 of 1844
I think I mentioned this before, and it affects me in no way, but incredible that there isn't a torroidal power supply...just saying.
post #1789 of 1844
They're penny Yen-pinching. The current state of the global economy means that they need to keep prices down and profit margins up. Torroidal transformers are more expensive.
post #1790 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

I think I mentioned this before, and it affects me in no way, but incredible that there isn't a torroidal power supply...just saying.

not really. There wasn't one on the 4311, 4310, or 4810, so why should this be any different?
post #1791 of 1844
Just got word from my dealer (Dean at Design Installations) that the 4520 we ordered for my currently under construction theater shipped out today from Denon. He said he will have it by the end of this week or beginning of next. It may be time to start an official AVR-4520 thread.
post #1792 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jchasen View Post

Just got word from my dealer (Dean at Design Installations) that the 4520 we ordered for my currently under construction theater shipped out today from Denon. He said he will have it by the end of this week or beginning of next. It may be time to start an official AVR-4520 thread.

Now I'm getting excited...I hope that means my Amazon Preorder is will get a ship date soon!
post #1793 of 1844
I thought the 4520 was the new 'flag ship' is all.
post #1794 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

I thought the 4520 was the new 'flag ship' is all.

It is, but due to the economy they are keeping the price down. Other manufacturers have decided to take the gamble and use the costlier transformer in theri flagship models.
post #1795 of 1844
Yes, this is true. And to be honest, I hear just as much with my 4310 non torroidal as I do my subs with torroidal. But still, if I had the choice... wink.gif
post #1796 of 1844
AND I just thought of something...the power conditioner has a massive torroidal and the 4310 (and 1 of 2 subs) is powered by it...kinda gets one thinking... tongue.gif

No wonder I think my 4310 sounds so awesome and have no desire for the 4311 OR 4520. The/my 4310 IS powered by torroidal after all! wink.gif
post #1797 of 1844
Englsih version of Denon AVR-4520 user manual, you can find here:
http://www.audioproducts.com.au/downloadcenter.aspx

Select Denon Consumer->AV Receivers & Amps->...
post #1798 of 1844
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Originally Posted by IcetomLT View Post

Englsih version of Denon AVR-4520 user manual, you can find here:
http://www.audioproducts.com.au/downloadcenter.aspx
Select Denon Consumer->AV Receivers & Amps->...

Excellent find. Thanks!
post #1799 of 1844
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Originally Posted by IcetomLT View Post

Englsih version of Denon AVR-4520 user manual, you can find here:
http://www.audioproducts.com.au/downloadcenter.aspx
Select Denon Consumer->AV Receivers & Amps->...

Actually...I don't see the full manual...only:

Leaflet
Getting Started guide
Instruction manual
IR Codes
Protocols
post #1800 of 1844
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Originally Posted by mrkalel View Post

Actually...I don't see the full manual...only:
Leaflet
Getting Started guide
Instruction manual
IR Codes
Protocols

The instruction manual is 44 meg so that is probably it and it is named AVR-4520E2_ENG-CD_ROM_V00.pdf
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