When do the 2013 Denon's come out? Any new features we should expect? - Page 20

Guess I just don't have all that as the HTPC replaces most of it and I don't game... Soon the BRP (BDP) won't even be in the picture as I rip more and more of my Blu-ray collection for instant playback and so it isn't taking up shelf space.. Wait, hey! I only need two then one after the STB/PVR go away. Maybe I don't even need a new receiver so long as one of my HDMI inputs remains stable.

BTW, what is xa2? and I assume atv is apple tv and mac mini is a laptop/netbook?

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xa2 = toshiba hd dvd player...

mac mini = ummm, mac mini?

click me for mac mini

Yeah a computer. Does it have a PVR and will it playback blu-ray to mkv rips over the network? I don't know anything about the specs on it because it looks to cost a lot more than my HTPC with 6 TB HDD storage cost me so I never went any farther.

Be careful? I'm well aware that XT32 is Audyssey and I'm hoping that the 3313 will have XT32 opposed to just XT.

Bill

And it looks like we're a few years away from the new flavor of Dolby (Atmos) to be implemented - let alone - content that features it - to be included in the consumer side. FilmMixer and his ilk are looking to some proof of concept stuff next year, if the dedicated thread to it is any guide.

On second thought, unless Denon really surprises us, I think your feet on the A100 will be in your house for a more years.

Sorry Bill since your reply came after the comment/question about AL32 i figured people might mix things up. Agreed having XT32 for the last week now in my setup and it rocks .

Daniel.

Daniel,

Not a problem. I understand as all these 32's are getting thrown around. I have XT in my 886 and I recently heard both the Onkyo 3008 and 5508 with XT32 and I was very impressed.

Bill

I don't blame you. I hoping the 3313 is "close" to the 4311/A100 not better (although that would be nice). You should do well with the A100 as that is the limited edition with the super shiny faceplate.

Bill

doubt it. Possibly the 4520, but not the 3313. That's really a niche thing that only high end audiophiles will care about (and its practical use is pretty debatable) and is exactly the type of thing that could entice deep pocketed buyers to step up to the 4520 from the 3313.

historically, the 29xx/33xx model tier has had AL24+ on the front L/R channels only, and the higher level models have Advanced AL24 on all channels. The only AL32 application that I am aware of is in high end Denon SACD/universal players.

Thus far it looks like waiting isn't really neccesary as there's really nothing spectacular to wait for, especially when on clearance the XX12's may go for 25% to 30% off next month.

basically it's upsampling. AFAIK it ONLY works on PCM input signals (e.g. digital audio from a CD transport or multich decoded PCM from a digital blu-ray or SACD player).

- original "ALPHA" processing expanded bit depth from 16 to 20
- AL24 = bit depth expansion to 24 (so 16/48kHz signal goes out as 24/48)
- AL24 Plus = same as AL24 but adds support for 192kHz sample frequency
- Advanced AL24 = bit depth expansion to 24 and also upsamples to 192kHz (so 16/48kHz signal goes to the DAC's as 24/192)
- Advanced AL32 = increased bit depth to 32

In my experience it makes 2ch CD audio sound "cleaner" and more "transparent" and detailed on the high end models. I haven't ever heard it applied to multich audio (which would require having the player decode to multich PCM from what I understand).

yea, i've been lurking along in that thread... nothing to see here, move along...

although when it does get to "consumer stage", i'm gonna be MIGHTY interested...

yea. it's not going anywhere... the first avr/pre-pro to stay in my rack for more than a year in a LONG time, and it's not like there haven't been some pretty good ones... that says something right there...

i'm set for hardware, period, for awhile... at least until an under $10k "real 4k" pj comes out (along with enough source material to make it worthwhile)... especially if it's led...

FWIW, OneCall now lists the AVR-1913 on their site as "Coming Soon" @ $579.99. I always keep track of OneCall because they are brick and mortar in my neck of the woods.

http://www.onecall.com/product/Denon...ver/_/R-116258

They are also showing the 1513, 1613 and 1713 @ $249.99, $399.99 & $449.99 respectively.

don't forget the feet!

if the 3313 has XT32 it has a chance to be a real winner if they can maintain that sub-$1000 street price. For all the people who want XT32 but aren't going to go beyond 7ch setups, it could be a really popular option. Especially since it can be assumed it will have full 7.2 pre-outs meaning it could be a killer mid-range preamp.

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yup... that would be a nice little package for that kind of expenditure...

i know if that had been available when i went hunting for xt32, i would have bought one... i'm pretty much locked in at 5.2, and likely not alone...

@batpig
Because the Onkyo 818 has XT32 (but I think it is stripped down), Denon really does need to follow suit. Onkyo has such a better onscreen display that I almost jumped this year when I saw Denon made no changes. But for that level I think XT32 has to be the new baseline

I agree that the 818 will probably be strong competition for the 3313. If the 3313 does not have XT32 then the 818 will have a definite advantage. I'm hoping the 3313 will have a 7.1 analog input but the 3312 doesn't so that option doesn't look good. I have inwall speakers that were from my old Yamaha 3090 (presence speakers) that would make great front height speakers. I'm ready to upgrade the 'ole trusty 886.

Bill

I know X32 is the Audessey to have these days but what more does it provide? The original Audessey does a pretty damn good job. Does having a bunch more psychoaudio filters in the algorithym provide a clearly perceivable improvement?

out of curiosity, how are they "stripping down" xt32?

Thanks batpig -- that explains it.

For my purposes, the xx13s probably aren't worth the extra cost. It is more of a choice between 1912 and the 2112. I'm not an audiophile, so I don't know how much I would appreciate the MultiEQ XT, but the extra warranty year is appealing. I figure for $50-$100 more, the 2112 is probably worth it.

So...those of you that have played this waiting game before, realistically, how far can we expect prices on the 1912 and 2112 to fall? And how long should I wait? Will they fall further once the CI line is announced/available?

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If you give one of several authorized resellers a "CALL" (Electronics Expo, AV Science, J&R), you'll find the 2112CI is selling for only $20-$30 more than the 1912 (actually has been since last summer). Prices are likely to fall even more as new XX13 inventory comes in.

So I am wondering whether that is a small or large distinction from 2 points of view: (1) performance/functionality and (2) cost

For example, is it going to cost me just as much to upgrade from the 1713 to 2113 as it is going to cost to add an amp to the 1713? If so, why would I even waste my time with buying a separate amp. Too much hassle.

Based on batpig's recomendation and a review of the feature sets on each I think thw 2112 is in a sweet spot but right now I think the price spead is more because the 1913 is out whereas the 2113 isn't out yet.

It never hurts to keep your money in your wallet but the manufacurer's and sellers will try to entice you to open it up and hand it over in exchange on the new receiver (or wharever it is) by creating an illusion of limitted stock. So as a buyer you can never be fully informed but I'd venture to guess that there's decent stock available but don't bet on me.

Sounds like you're getting the XT32 itch, Bill. I say go for it--just think how great all those discs will sound .

I've read that on these forums, and I have called a couple of the on-line vendors and have been surprised by how much lower the prices they offer on the phone are. You're right, the difference between the 1912 and 2112 is now well under my threshold, and it sounds like you think prices may continue to fall. This will be a test of my patience.....

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Keep in mind the prices have not fallen yet ... they've been at their current prices since they were first released last summer. At most they may drop maybe $50. Keep checking with the vendors to see as their price will likely change when they get the new stock in hand.

Bear ... poke .... don't

Steve,

I'm definitely getting the itch for XT32. Maybe the 4311 will go on "sale" again for $799 then I'm all over it. But seriously if the 4311 hits close to $1k I think that will be the one for me. I think the added filters of XT32 for my sub alone would be worth it for those 5.1 Porcupine Tree DVD-As.

Bill

When bogus rumors of that "sale" surfaced I attempted to justify buying another 4311, and I was successful .