When do the 2013 Denon's come out? Any new features we should expect? - Page 21

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Bill

I haven't read this thread, way to long

But I thought I'd let everyone know that the Denon 1712 is going for $312 on amazon right now.

I just got one

CNET has a good comparison between the 1513, 1613, 1713, and 1913 models.
see Denon's 2012 AV receivers announced: AirPlay-friendly

I have read articles in various online magazines( dont ask which ones) that a good number of installers prefer component over HDMI for it's stability. Unless HDMI 2.0(yes, I know it's not implemented yet) can effectively eliminate the HDCP problems entirely, I believe that component input/output should remain on AVRs until (and if) HDMI/HDCP problems are resolved. At such time, I will be more than willing to say good bye to component inputs/outputs. Just my 2 cents. -Bill

I agree. I suspect this has to do with the 1513-1913 units having a smaller number of selectable inputs. I would thus not be surprised if the inputs on these models also cannot be renamed.

But when you look at the back panel of these units, it is pretty obvious that their flexibility is seriously constrained.

The cnet article above includes a link to the relevant Onkyo receivers. Going by the difference in the back panels, the Onkyos seem better. Where does Denon hide its value?

Less problems then Onkyo's run into.

In the past Denon was quicker out the gate with a fix for a particular issue, then Onkyo.

Because we are getting into low cost Ethernet based AVR's, it will be interesting to see how well each vendors supports compares.

Couldn't wait any longer; got the 2112 from EE for 449 and free shipping (ordered last Saturday) Hope that gives you some reference if/when prices start to drop as the xx13's hit the street.

With better audio fidelity ..... all new Onkyo models that feature Audyssey from the 717 on down, only use the most basic version of 2EQ which cannot EQ the sub, something that even the 1613 with MultEQ can do. MultEQ also has 2x the speaker filters as does 2EQ.

All models from the 1613 and higher retain the ability to "rename" the source.

HDMI handshake issues not withstanding, due to the "analog sunset" restriction put in place, Blu Ray players can no longer be mfr'd with component outputs capable of HD video as of Jan 1, 2011 and future BD's may include a flag that will downconvert HD video to 480i on current BDPs that can output HD video over component outputs.

Twice.com article notes Spotify to be added via summertime firmware upgrade (which is why it's not listed in the respective Owner manuals).

http://www.twice.com/article/483630-...ng_In_AVRs.php

So then what does it mean that the inputs aren't "assignable"?

^^^

exactly that... you can't take the port labled "bd", for example, and assign it to the "dvd" input...

in the end, it doesn't really matter, and likely (given the ongoing confusion we've seen around assigning inputs) isn't a bad thing overall...

there nothing stopping the user from ignoring the labels and plugging any device into any input...

If the apple crowd has home audio integration they're happy, and if they're happy they aren't whining. This is a good thing, because there are a lot of them

There is no need for "androidplay" because it's not built within a proprietary system. There are multiple ways of integrating android into a home system, they're just not wrapped into a name.

There are android centric households my friend, the difference is they're tools and not a way of life - yet. Once Android@home is mainstream this will change, bigtime. Today most of my devices can be controlled via Android (or iphone), even my thermostats can be controlled remotely, from anywhere in the world.

While I don't own Apple products or leverage the benefits of Airplay I think it's a great addition to our gear. Innovation has a way of trickling into other products such that we all benefit. Also, it makes my life so much easier - as an old nerd I am always asked to help, and Airplay has saved tons of time.

I agree. While I wouldn't want a receiver without assignable inputs, for the masses its not a requirement and adds unnecessary confusion. Like analog inputs, if this is something you need there will be options available to you.

Okay, I think I must still be missing something. What's the use case where assignable inputs add value for you? The ability to rename inputs covers pretty much everything I can think of (but I'm new here ).

Denon Expands AirPlay, Networking In AVRs
By Joseph Palenchar -- TWICE, 4/25/2012
Mahwah, N.J. - Denon is bringing down the cost of AirPlay and networking in it's A/V receiver (AVR) lineup to a suggested $399 from $549 with the launch of four new core series models.

The core series consists of the 7.1-channel AVR-1913 at a suggested $579 and three 5.1-channel models. They are the $449 AVR-1713, $399 AVR-1613 and $249 AVR-1513.

All of the receivers feature short signal-path circuit design to optimize audio and video playback.

Besides AVRs, Denon also announced an AVR-based HTiB bundled with Boston Acoustics 5.1 speaker system, pricing it at a suggested $599 like its predecessor.

The AVR lineup starts with the $249 5x110-watt AVR-1513, which features Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master decoding, 192kHz/24-bit DACs, four 3D-capable HDMI 1.4a inputs (one on the front panel), one 3D HDMI 1.4a output, front-panel 3.5mm aux input, and a graphical user interface with overlay on an HDMI source.

At $399, the 5x120-watt AVR-1613 adds AirPlay, DLNA 1.5 networking, Windows 7 compatibility, vTuner Internet radio, Pandora, SiriusXM Internet Radio, photo streaming from a networked PC and from the Flickr website, FLAC HD playback, and support for Denon's Remote app for Android and iOS. The app lets users control the AVR's main controls from Apple and Android handheld devices.

Also at $399, Denon adds a front-panel USB port that charges iPods and iPhones and captures their music content in digital PCM form. Other features starting at $399 include Compressed Audio Restorer, auto lip sync, HDMI standby passthrough, and onscreen Setup Assistant, an instructional feature that includes a speaker connection guide, speaker calibration, source setup and simple network configuration. Audyssey's Dynamic Volume, Dynamic EQ and MultEQ technology also starts at $399, and the AVR gets five HDMI inputs, one on the front.

At $449, the 5x120-watt AVR-1713 adds HDMI audio return channel, a sixth HDMI input and second-zone audio via an add-on amplifier.

At $579, the AVR-1913 adds 7x125-watt amplification, Dolby Pro Logic IIz front-height channels, 1080p up-scaling, the Spotify music service (via a summertime firmware upgrade), and second-zone audio using the AVR's two surround-back channels.

Well, that's pretty much it. I'll go out on a limb and presume you can't rename inputs if it's unassignable, but I don't really know. I have a bunch of devices, so this is important.

My HT is in the process of being re-equipped. I've been out of the game for a few months, but a 4311 arrives today. If a better use case comes up I'll report back, although I'm sure if there are others folks here will speak out.

The PT DVD-A releases sound fantastic utilizing XT32. The Anesthetize BR might sound even better!

Go for it Bill! (it's fun to spend someone else's money)

I don't think I could go for that. When I hit listen to music on my harmony I like to see the AppleTV on the Denon screen. I don't want it to be called aux or video 2. I like to display exactly what input I'm on. I'm not worried about the 1913 and below but it should be a feature on the 2113 and above or I will be pretty disappointed.

^^^

you can still do all of that (exactly the same way as you would today ) with non-assignable inputs...

To make sure I understand:

In the menu system, you will see HDMI 1 set to TV (just as an example). You will not be able to assing HDMI 1 to DVD, but you CAN rename TV to DVD. Is this correct? I assume you will have to first rename DVD (or should) to prevent future confusion.

So if HDMI 3 is assigned to DVD, but you want to use it for AppleTV, you simply plug the AppleTV into HDMI 3 and then rename HDMI 3 to Apple TV. HDMI 3 will ALWAYS be in the same location in the menu system (cannot reassign it), but you CAN rename it to whatever you want and it will display that new name on the front panel.

Correct?



As an aside, I want more info on the higher level models! I need at least 9 amps in the AVR.

^^^

assuming what we have seen from the specs is correct*, yes...

* which can sometimes lead us down the garden path, as the website has been known to list incorrect specs even months after models are released...

Yep, my bad. I looked at the manual. I just assumed that non-assignable meant you had to use the name that was assigned by Denon. Glad I was wrong.

^^^ Me too. Then what is the benefit of assignable inputs? Or more importantly, what is the detriment to unassignable ones if they can be labeled appropriately?

Thank you JD for your response. I just worry that without an alternative to HDMI, will this push the HDMI/HDCP people to fix the handshake issues, or will we the consumers have to settle for a half-baked product?

That's what I was getting at with my earlier question. I'm thinking it might be the ability to rearrange and enable/disable the inputs.

Rearrange seems trivial -- just plug them in on the back panel in the order you want. Disable, OTOH, seems like it could be useful. If you have six or seven HDMI inputs and you're only using two or three (as I will be), it'd be nice to have the AVR not even show you those inputs in the UI. As you get more and more inputs of different types, it seems like this would get more and more useful -- I can scarcely imagine that anyone with a 3312 (or higher) has anywhere close to every single input occupied.

I feel like assignable made more sense in the pre-HDMI days, where you might have three component video ins, two s-video ins, and two composite, and then you had several analog audio ins plus a few coax and a few SPDIF. You'd want to be able to mix and match the video connections with the audio connections, depending on what output your device supported, and that's what I think of when I hear "assignable inputs." Now that one input = one cable, it doesn't make sense to me anymore.

Exactly the case. When you needed to mix and match, it was a very useful and important feature. Now that it is not used much anymore, they are doing away with it - mostly becaues the less features included the less bugs introducted.

I know I'm looking ahead here but is there any chance there will be phono inputs in the 2113 or 2313? I'd like to stay under $1,000 when I finally upgrade.