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post #691 of 1844
4/27/12 at 7:35pm
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JD, you're a far more patient man than I!

Oy, he didn't answer the question.
A polite no I don't know but maybe someone else does (or you could try calling) would have sufficed. Or perhaps better to not respond at all when one doesn't have the answer. Oh well, I'm not surprised.
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post #692 of 1844
4/27/12 at 9:06pm
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Oy, he didn't answer the question.
A polite no I don't know but maybe someone else does (or you could try calling) would have sufficed. Or perhaps better to not respond at all when one doesn't have the answer. Oh well, I'm not surprised.

He answered your question 3 times and even tried to help you with a better receiver for slightly more money. If you're going to complain about the way he answers questions maybe you should try using the search function or better yet reading. Jd's time could be better spent answering important questions than baby stepping you to an answer though 3 separate post and you still haven't figured it out that he DID answer your question!

Honestly; If you can't figure out the answer to your question from reading jd's post then you don't need a denon. There is no way you will make it past page 3 of the denon manual with those reading comprehension skills. You need to go to best buy and get a Bose wave radio and let the geek squad set it up for you.
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post #693 of 1844
4/27/12 at 11:16pm
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JD, you're a far more patient man than I!

The proverb "You can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink" comes to mind.
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post #694 of 1844
4/28/12 at 3:29am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

It is .... the 3803 went up to the 3808CI ----> 4310CI ----> 4311CI---> 4520CI. The 2809CI was replaced by the 3310CI ---> 3311CI ----> 3312CI ---- 3313CI.


Having owned denon units in the 03 range we must note that even if i agree that the numbers might have moved like you outlined that doesn't mean they are anywhere near the same machines so much has changed that i always need to laugh hard if people say my xx03 is better than the xx12/xx13 because its 10lbs heaver. Facts are unless you have a very limited use they won't be even close.

Daniel.
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post #695 of 1844
4/28/12 at 3:41am
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You need to go to best buy and get a Bose wave radio and let the geek squad set it up for you.

best laugh of the week.
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post #696 of 1844
4/28/12 at 6:20am
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Originally Posted by bcc View Post

Oy, he didn't answer the question.
A polite no I don't know but maybe someone else does (or you could try calling) would have sufficed. Or perhaps better to not respond at all when one doesn't have the answer. Oh well, I'm not surprised.

To be fair, nobody is getting paid here to answer your question. So, when you get an answer you should be grateful since that person could have been doing something else with *their* time.

Now, the important thing in the answer that you did get is to *call*. Many people just use the web sites and they get to pay the MSPR. Others know to call and can get a reduced non-advertised price. It has always been this way with Denon.

And, adding that you're "not surprised" doesn't make you sound good either. You appended to a forum where you aren't surprised at not getting an answer (even though you did)? What were you expecting to get, if not an answer?
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post #697 of 1844
4/28/12 at 7:11am
Off topic but not worthy of its own thread, random thought of the day...what is the proper pronunciation of Denon? Hard e or soft e? Emphasis on first or last syllable? Just curious.

Back on topic, I see where EE has reduced the price of the 2112ci, and with the TAXWIZARD coupon still valid, gets it slightly under the previous call-in only price. Headed in the right direction!
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post #698 of 1844
4/28/12 at 7:20am
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Off topic but not worthy of its own thread, random thought of the day...what is the proper pronunciation of Denon? Hard e or soft e? Emphasis on first or last syllable? Just curious.

It's a contraction of DENki and ONkyo, Den-On originally. So it should be pronounced Den (as in "Den of thieves") On (as in the opposite of Off). But most people just pronounce it as Denun (short e, short u).
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post #699 of 1844
4/28/12 at 7:23am
Passing thoughts... yesterday I ran into a Denon rep... he stated sales were up 12% for x period. Take that for what you wish. Also stated he was (in this area I presume) out of 2112s so I'm guessing they won't have a super size close-out on them. Last thing he stated was none of his dealers (more AV shops versus big box) care about Audyssey. And as previously noted June for the high-end models.
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post #700 of 1844
4/28/12 at 7:47am
call [ kawl ]

verb (used with object) 1. to cry out in a loud voice; shout: He called her name to see if she was home. 2. to command or request to come; summon: to call a dog; to call a cab; to call a witness. 3. to ask or invite to come: Will you call the family to dinner? 4. to communicate or try to communicate with by telephone: Call me when you arrive.
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post #701 of 1844
4/28/12 at 7:50am
With the obvious industry shift towards all HDMI inputs is it just extra DACs that
are needed to pass signal to Zone 2/3?
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post #702 of 1844
4/28/12 at 8:01am
Is there any point in waiting for 9.2 or 11.2 capable receivers? Can anyone with experience with these comment on whether it's worth it? My room is relatively small (18x11x7), but I will do it if it makes a difference!
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post #703 of 1844
4/28/12 at 8:05am
There is a grandslam of a deal going on now from EE, the ci's will be gone in next few hours and I bet ci xx13 info will be out
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post #704 of 1844
4/28/12 at 8:23am
Link? I checked their website and the prices seem the same to me. I got chat prices that are basically the same asothers have reported.

Thanks.
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post #705 of 1844
4/28/12 at 8:26am
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It's a contraction of DENki and ONkyo, Den-On originally. So it should be pronounced Den (as in "Den of thieves") On (as in the opposite of Off). But most people just pronounce it as Denun (short e, short u).

That brings up the point that DENON is actually an acronym. Jeff T used to always capitalize the entire word (and it wasn't just for emphasis). So, the correct way of writing Denon is actually DENON. But it just looks silly in sentences since we use it as a company name and not the original acronym.
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post #706 of 1844
4/28/12 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by BeechTom View Post

Off topic but not worthy of its own thread, random thought of the day...what is the proper pronunciation of Denon? Hard e or soft e? Emphasis on first or last syllable? Just curious.

Back on topic, I see where EE has reduced the price of the 2112ci, and with the TAXWIZARD coupon still valid, gets it slightly under the previous call-in only price. Headed in the right direction!

So what's that code worth? %off?
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post #707 of 1844
4/28/12 at 8:46am
There are other forums for % off
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post #708 of 1844
4/28/12 at 8:51am
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There are other forums for % off

Understood. I didn't see any new posts in the deals thread though.

EDIT: Okay found it on slickdeals. A little less than the best quote I've received thus far.
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post #709 of 1844
4/28/12 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by mjpearce023 View Post

He answered your question 3 times and even tried to help you with a better receiver for slightly more money. If you're going to complain about the way he answers questions maybe you should try using the search function or better yet reading. Jd's time could be better spent answering important questions than baby stepping you to an answer though 3 separate post and you still haven't figured it out that he DID answer your question!

Honestly; If you can't figure out the answer to your question from reading jd's post then you don't need a denon. There is no way you will make it past page 3 of the denon manual with those reading comprehension skills. You need to go to best buy and get a Bose wave radio and let the geek squad set it up for you.

Wow, unwarranted character assasinations for a simple price&availability question.
I've been a denon user for years so I don't need your condescension about that either.
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post #710 of 1844
4/28/12 at 9:25am
move on please...
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post #711 of 1844
4/28/12 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by alk3997 View Post

To be fair, nobody is getting paid here to answer your question. So, when you get an answer you should be grateful since that person could have been doing something else with *their* time.

Now, the important thing in the answer that you did get is to *call*. Many people just use the web sites and they get to pay the MSPR. Others know to call and can get a reduced non-advertised price. It has always been this way with Denon.

And, adding that you're "not surprised" doesn't make you sound good either. You appended to a forum where you aren't surprised at not getting an answer (even though you did)? What were you expecting to get, if not an answer?

Not that I should need to defend myself but...

I'm well aware of the technique of calling retailers. That is how I got a deal on my last denon avr years ago. I asked a simple question and am getting hounded with many rude responses.
I was prepared a few snide responses but also someone with actual data for xx13 pricing. This is the xx13 thread after all, and pricing&availability is quite important with such consumer electronics.

Rather than discuss pricing&availability, you guys prefer to bring down the thread with a discussion of the meanings of words (Denon, call). This sort of behavior is why I (and many other technical people) rarely post on this forum.
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post #712 of 1844
4/28/12 at 11:06am
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Not that I should need to defend myself but...

I'm well aware of the technique of calling retailers. That is how I got a deal on my last denon avr years ago. I asked a simple question and am getting hounded with many rude responses.
I was prepared a few snide responses but also someone with actual data for xx13 pricing. This is the xx13 thread after all, and pricing&availability is quite important with such consumer electronics.

Rather than discuss pricing&availability, you guys prefer to bring down the thread with a discussion of the meanings of words (Denon, call). This sort of behavior is why I (and many other technical people) rarely post on this forum.

Your loss (and many technical people with many degrees post on this forum).

Oh and I believe pricing discussions are against forum rules other than general discussions (not specific to a retailer). The Denon web site is a good place to find the authorized e-tailers.
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post #713 of 1844
4/29/12 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Right .... ACM1H is also the mic used on the Marantz models as well. So then this newer ACM1HB is either just a more accurate mic or something has changed within MultEQ.

As it turns out, neither of the above is correct. Chris K (from Audyssey) indicated the change to the ACM1HB in the XX13 models is cosmetic only, a different paint job apparently. The ACM1HB is interchangeable with the DM-A409 and ACM1H.
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post #714 of 1844
4/29/12 at 11:22am
The new Denon Remote app ver 3.0 works with models XX11 and newer although adds some unique features to the XX13 models (Frequency Direct FM Tuning, Fast Internet Radio Browsing,,Volume Limit Setting).
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post #715 of 1844
4/29/12 at 12:39pm
Okay so I'm about to pull the trigger on a 3312 and I had a question. I see that the xx13s are getting "4k upscaling." Will the 3312 still be able to pass through a 4k signal, even if it can't up convert to one?
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post #716 of 1844
4/29/12 at 12:48pm
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Okay so I'm about to pull the trigger on a 3312 and I had a question. I see that the xx13s are getting "4k upscaling." Will the 3312 still be able to pass through a 4k signal, even if it can't up convert to one?

Yes, HDMI 1.4 supports 4k, although not every HDMI cable is up to the QC of supporting that, particularly longer cables.

Initially the industry is going the 2k upscaling to 4k because the 4k source content won't be available (no media standard yet), similarly how DVD upscaling was when HDTV was young. This is what I saw from 4K displays demo'ed at CES. The main question here is how many years will it take for 4K HDTV's to be more reasonable. Looks like 2015 is the best guess according to industry pundits,
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post #717 of 1844
4/29/12 at 12:52pm
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Yes, HDMI 1.4 supports 4k, although not every HDMI cable is up to the QC of supporting that, particularly longer cables.

Initially the industry is going the 2k upscaling to 4k because the source content won't be available, similarly how DVD upscaling was when HDTV was young. This is what I saw from 4K displays demo'ed at CES. The main question here is how many years will it take for 4K HDTV's to be more reasonable. Looks like 2015 is the best guest according to industry pundits,

Okay cool. I'd imagine that the 4k TVs will be able to do some of their own upscaling, so I don't really care if my AVR can (especially since we're years out on them, and I'm years out on being able to afford them anyway).

Thanks for the quick response!
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post #718 of 1844
4/29/12 at 3:01pm
^^^

they will have to do ALL of their own upscaling...
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post #719 of 1844
4/29/12 at 4:22pm
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Yes, HDMI 1.4 supports 4k, although not every HDMI cable is up to the QC of supporting that, particularly longer cables.

Initially the industry is going the 2k upscaling to 4k because the 4k source content won't be available (no media standard yet), similarly how DVD upscaling was when HDTV was young. This is what I saw from 4K displays demo'ed at CES. The main question here is how many years will it take for 4K HDTV's to be more reasonable. Looks like 2015 is the best guess according to industry pundits,

A little clarification for someone reading this in the future. The HDMI 1.4a spec is made up of mostly options. A manufacturer can either include or not include each option. It is considered a 1.4a chipset whether or not 3D or 4K or ARC is included (or Ethernet over HDMI). The manufacturer has to specify which 1.4a optiions are included.

There are only two types of HDMI cables with some options. High Speed and Standard Speed cables are the two choices. Certified High Speed cables can handle 4K signals.
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post #720 of 1844
4/29/12 at 4:33pm
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A little clarification for someone reading this in the future. The HDMI 1.4a spec is made up of mostly options. A manufacturer can either include or not include each option. It is considered a 1.4a chipset whether or not 3D or 4K or ARC is included (or Ethernet over HDMI). The manufacturer has to specify which 1.4a optiions are included.

There are only two types of HDMI cables with some options. High Speed and Standard Speed cables are the two choices. Certified High Speed cables can handle 4K signals.

Also to clarify in the case of the 3312 we have no one here that has verfiied 4K pass-through with a 4K projector/HDTV, although you know that the AVR can readily do 3D pass though which is attributed to HDMI 1.4a.

HDMI 1.4 was released on May 28, 2009, and the first HDMI 1.4 products were available in the second half of 2009.[62][175] HDMI 1.4 increases the maximum resolution to 4K × 2K, i.e. 3840 × 2160p (Quad HD) at 24 Hz/25 Hz/30 Hz or 4096 × 2160p at 24 Hz.

HDMI 1.4a was released on March 4, 2010 and adds two additional mandatory 3D formats for broadcast content.
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