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post #721 of 1844
^^^

I'm good to go if there is a pop quiz on the Hdmi Cable.
post #722 of 1844
Guess still no news on the 2113ci or 2313ci? Thanks
post #723 of 1844
^^
Denon just announced the 1913 and lower models last week which are now available. As the 2113CI and 2313CI aren't being released until May and June respectively ,it'll likely be at least another two weeks before an official release, although not likely to be more than is already known as listed in this post.
post #724 of 1844
You of course notice that Big George's hasn't posted anything about the new Denon's since their original screw up.
post #725 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Denon just announced the 1913 and lower models last week which are now available. As the 2113CI and 2313CI aren't being released until May and June respectively ,it'll likely be at least another two weeks before an official release, although not likely to be more than is already known as listed in this post.

When are we likely to know the specs on the 3313CI?
post #726 of 1844
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Originally Posted by JakeRobb View Post

When are we likely to know the specs on the 3313CI?

I'm curious on this as well. It looks like it will be a few weeks as jd mentioned about the 2113CI and 2313CI releases.

Bill
post #727 of 1844
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Originally Posted by JakeRobb View Post

When are we likely to know the specs on the 3313CI?

As it's not due out until June, likely towards the end of May.
post #728 of 1844
from areadvd.de, Germany, translated with google:

http://translate.google.de/translate...ort-von-denon/

the news says, the 2313 and 3313 will show next week, also both will have multEQ XT, sadly no XT32.

In addition Denon presents a new transport BDP!
post #729 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Questioneer View Post

from areadvd.de, Germany, translated with google:

http://translate.google.de/translate...ort-von-denon/

the news says, the 2313 and 3313 will show next week, also both will have multEQ XT, sadly no XT32.

In addition Denon presents a new transport BDP!

Looking at that link I see no mention of the 3313. The link discusses the 2113 and the 2313.

Bill
post #730 of 1844
These Amazon links confirm the following (note that the 6Ω rating is listed on the webpage):

3313CI - 7 CH, 125W

http://www.h-online.com/priceinsight/eu/762497

2313CI = 7 CH, 105W

http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASI...A3JWKAKR8XB7XF

2112CI = 7 CH, 90W

http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASI...A3JWKAKR8XB7XF
post #731 of 1844
Current information learned so far (as of 5/3/12) from various resellers and the Owner's manuals posted on Denon's website(some features are listed in notes section) ...

1513 (MSRP $249.99) ----> 5.1, 75W, 4/1 HDMI, AM/FM, GUI, HDMI Standby pass through, 3.5mm jack, No ARC, No Audyssey, No USB, (April)
1613 (MSRP $399.99) ----> 5.1, 75W, 5/1 HDMI, FM only, MultEQ (April)
1713 (MSRP $449.99) ----> 5.1, 80W, 6/1 HDMI, MultEQ XT, Zone 2 (preouts only) (May)
1913 (MSRP $579.99) ----> 7.1, 90W, 6/1 HDMI, MultEQ, Adv GUI, Zone 2 (Amp Assign), Comp video IN (1), Analog-->HDMI, 1080p/24hz upscaling, PLIIz (April)

2113CI (MSRP $649.99) --> 7.1, 90W, 6/1 HDMI, 4k upscaling, MultEQ XT, (May)
2313CI (MSRP $849.99) --> 7.2, 105W, 6/2 HDMI, 4k upscaling, MultEQ XT, Audyssey DSX, Comp video IN (2)/OUT (1), DSD over HDMI, Audyssey Pro ready (June)
3313CI (MSRP $1199.99) --> 7.2, 125W, 7/3 HDMI, (same as 2313CI)+ MultEQ XT(?), Denon Link HD, Aluminum faceplate w/trap door, Zone 2 HDMI Out, Zone 2/3 preouts (June)

4520CI (MSRP $2500) --> (?) 9.3, 140W, 7/3 HDMI, (same as 3313CI)+ Audyssey LFC, DTS Neo:X (Sep)

NOTES:
* Front HDMI (all models)
* Networking/Airplay (Zone 2 independent from main zone)/SiriusXM/Flickr, Pandora (1613 and higher)
* Spotify (1913 and higher via firmware upgrade later this summer)
* GUI (1513, 1613, 1713); Advanced GUI (1913 and higher)
* "Auto Standby" feature: [2hrs, 4hrs, 8hrs, Off] (1513 only), [30min, 60min, Off] (1613 and higher)
* "Dialogue Level" (enhance center channel dialog), Front USB, GUI overlay on 3D video, HDMI Control (1613 and higher)
* Web Control w/SAVE/LOAD of config file/Audyssey (1713 and higher)
* Dynamic Volume renamed from (Day, Evening, Midnight) to (Light, Medium, Heavy)(1613 and higher)
* Audyssey "Manual EQ" relabeled "Graphic EQ" (1913 and higher)
* Audyssey mic ACM1HB replaces DM-A409 (1613 and higher); cosmetic changes made only, interchangeable with DM-A409
* No mention of firmware update via USB in Owner manuals(?)
* iPad connection to USB (1713)
* Larger font size single line display on front panel display
* New Denon Remote App Ver 3.0 with XX13 model unique features (Frequency Direct FM Tuning, Fast Internet Radio Browsing,,Volume Limit Setting)
* Unique remote for each model (ie. no extraneous buttons for features only offered on higher model)
* New INFO button on each remote
* Stand alone "power indicator light" replaces "power ring indicator"


Features not carried forward from XX12 model:
* Rhapsody and Napster (all networking models)
* Ipod docking station jack (S-Video)
* Assignment of HDMI inputs
* AM radio (1613 and higher)
* Component IN/Out (1713)
* Number of analog audio inputs reduced
* Reduction of 2" of depth in unit dimension (1913 and lower)
* Preouts: 1513 (Surr Back), 1613 (Surr Back/Front HT)
* Custom 2CH Direct/Stereo settings, Auto Surround, EQ Customize (1713, 1913)
* Party Mode (network audio to multiple Denon AVRs in house)
* Denon remotes no longer preprogrammed with other device codes
* Double line display on front panel reduced to single line to include removal of "input"/"output" icons on "CI" models
* "CH LEVEL" button removed on all but 1513 remote (can only adjust channel levels via the Manual Setup sub menu)
post #732 of 1844
^^

I wonder how these hardware manufacturers are QC'ing 4k upscaling. FWIW this is not a feature I would add to my 'must have' list just yet.
post #733 of 1844
^^^

if i had to "guess", they are implementing it straight from the cookbook... limiting it to just scaling/deinterlacing (emasculating all the rest of the chip) is likely pretty straightforward... as far as qc goes, probably did some type of rudimentary testing, and let it fly...

fwiw, it's not on my list of "must have" either, and likely never will be... putting aside the (lack of) usefulness of 4k for virtually all home users (heck, most don't sit close enough to resolve 1080p, let alone require "more" resolution), any 4k display that comes out will already include it's own video processing (just like every fixed pixel display does today)...

just another marketing bullet point that will get humped relentlessly as being an "important feature" that has no usefulness for virtually anybody... we've seen this story before...
post #734 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Questioneer View Post

from areadvd.de, Germany, translated with google:

http://translate.google.de/translate...ort-von-denon/

the news says, the 2313 and 3313 will show next week, also both will have multEQ XT, sadly no XT32.

In addition Denon presents a new transport BDP!

Looks like they've already removed the post but I managed to view it from Google cache. I found some more info on the new Blu ray player on a different site. I started a thread in the Blu ray section
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1408187
post #735 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

^^

I wonder how these hardware manufacturers are QC'ing 4k upscaling. FWIW this is not a feature I would add to my 'must have' list just yet.

They probably don't for all but a few protoypes. They probably assume the chip manufacturers do their own QC.

You don't have to actually have a display to check (although they do exist). You just need to send some sample input and read some sample output and make sure the RGB's are what they're supposed to be.
post #736 of 1844
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Originally Posted by Nethawk View Post

^^

I wonder how these hardware manufacturers are QC'ing 4k upscaling. FWIW this is not a feature I would add to my 'must have' list just yet.

Most 4k will be at the display for a long time and upscaling should be done there in my opinion no need to create more bits/bandwidth before that point. And even if you get 1 4k source going direct would solve that.

Maybe not a fair compare but with all these features going off and on these new models i have a good feeling about my old 2007 designed avp with the new 3d upgrade seems it will be ok, wonder what the 4520 will bring.

Pity if xt32 doesn't come down the line as much as i hoped i would advice that for most people for sure. Also the use and control of how direct and pure-direct is done is very useful imho.

Daniel.
post #737 of 1844
Man, I want 9 channels!
post #738 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Current information learned so far (as of 4/30/12) from various sources (some features are listed in notes section) ...
Features not carried forward from XX12 model:
* Reduction of 2" of depth in unit dimension

I hope this isn't a typo on Denon's website. For those of us with less-than-deep cabinets, this is kind of a big deal. In my case, 15" is about the max depth of a receiver my cabinet will hold. Even then, it's kinda tight as there's a support pole directly behind the receiver. But with Onkyo, I'm severely limited. The TX-NR717 fits as it's 14-15/16" deep while the TX-NR818 won't as it's 17-1/8" deep.
Jim
post #739 of 1844
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Originally Posted by cybrsage View Post

Man, I want 9 channels!

so use them... no one is stopping you...
post #740 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jim97219 View Post

I hope this isn't a typo on Denon's website. For those of us with less-than-deep cabinets, this is kind of a big deal. In my case, 15" is about the max depth of a receiver my cabinet will hold. Even then, it's kinda tight as there's a support pole directly behind the receiver. But with Onkyo, I'm severely limited. The TX-NR717 fits as it's 14-15/16" deep while the TX-NR818 won't as it's 17-1/8" deep.
Jim

if that is correct, it's going to actually be a bigger selling point for many than a lot of the other fluff that is being added on... there's many many threads from people looking for an avr that isn't too deep...
post #741 of 1844
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Originally Posted by gibsonpa View Post

Any suggestions on a good place to sell nice equipment?

...and don't know the best way to get my nearly new 2112 to someone else to enjoy for a good price.

Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

Kindly message me your price for Denon-2112.

Thanks, Rajkumar
post #742 of 1844
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Are you referring to the "Front B" capability itself, or the ability to change the setup from A/B/A+B using either a front panel button or the remote? If the former, all current Denon 7.1 AVRs have the capability to use the Surr Back/Amp Assign posts as "Front B" posts (and no reason to believe that will change with the new XX13 models); however, you must go into the GUI to change the configuration as the front panel/remote buttons were removed beginning with the 3311CI. You can however, add the functionality back using a Harmony remote.

Yes smoothie, the a/b/a+b... a is the living room l+r and b is the kitchen ceiling speakers. The living room and kitchen are right next to each other, so while you might want one or the other or both, you'd never want two different sourced together.

Thanks,

Jason
post #743 of 1844
^^
Then no, not likely to be added back to the 3313CI since that capability was removed from earlier models.
post #744 of 1844
2113 Front:

2113 Rear:

2313 Front:

2313 Rear:


Source: http://hu.horn.eu/hu/HU/TERMEKEK/OTT.../AVR-2313?s1=1
post #745 of 1844
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

so use them... no one is stopping you...

The 2xxx and 3xxx have a reported 7 channels only. Cannot use what is not there.
post #746 of 1844
^^^

so buy something that does...
post #747 of 1844
Wow!!! No AM is a deal breaker for me. And I understand the reason behind it what with Internet radio but what IF one doesn't have internet? Strange but does happen. What happens, heaven forbid, a disaster hits and all you have is a generator and your xx13? But besides that, I listen to AM talk radio alot.

Another thing I don't recall mentioned is the green power lite is now just a LED instead of the ring around the standby button. Minor I know but it was kinda trademark for Denon. At least IMO anyway.
post #748 of 1844
Did anyone notice that full preamp outputs on the 2313? I wonder if the us version will have this as well. That actually makes the 23 series a step up from the 21 series. I think it's a great move on denon's part.
post #749 of 1844
don't hold your breath, the EU model 23xx has maintained pre-outs for years even though the US version dropped them starting with the 2308ci.
post #750 of 1844
Hoping this isn't a rehash of something already posted
AVR-2113
7CH x 125W (6 ohms) - fully discrete and balanced amplifiers
4K and 1080p video scaling, HDMI switching 4k, 4k GUI
Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoders
Audyssey MultEQ XT, Audyssey Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ
Compressed Audio Restore
5 +1 (front) HDMI inputs, 3D, ARC and CEC support
DLNA1.5
Audio streaming from the network (Network), HD playback FLAC files
AirPlay streaming audio
* Support for last.fm music service
vTuner Internet Radio
Flickr Photo Streaming
Front USB input for iPod / iPhone compatible digital
First HDMI inputs
Quick Select button - direct access to your favorite sources
Multilingual Setup Assistant (in 7 languages), and advanced GUI - Simple Setup and Operation
Multi-Zone (Zone 2)
Large character display
Auto power off - energy savings
Denon's new Remote App

AVR-2313
7CH x 135W (6 ohms) - fully discrete and balanced amplifiers
4K 1080p video scaling, HDMI switching 4k, 4k GUI
Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoders
Audyssey DSX
Audyssey Pro Ready
Audyssey MultEQ XT, Audyssey Dynamic Volume and Dynamic EQ
Compressed Audio Restore
5 +1 (front) HDMI inputs with CEC support ARC and 3D
DLNA1.5
Audio streaming in the network (network). HD playback of FLAC files
AirPlay streaming audio
* Support for last.fm music service
vTuner Internet Radio
Flickr Photo Streaming
Front USB input for iPod / iPhone compatible digital
First HDMI inputs
Quick Select button - direct access to your favorite sources
Multilingual Setup Assistant (in 7 languages), and advanced GUI - Simple Setup and Operation
Enhanced multi-zone (zone 2) and RS-232 support
2 x HDMI output (simultaneously)
7.2 channels. pre-outs
DSD via HDMI
Large character display
Auto power off - energy savings
Denon's new Remote App
Available in black

Horn appears to be a Hungarian distributor so if you're not in Europe, YMMV.

I'd like to know what "enhanced zone 2" means. Any clues? Might it mean digital output to zone 2, so I wouldn't have to switch default speaker/receiver in Windows 7 every time I want to use zone 2?

Jim
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