The Official Acer H9500BD Thread - Page 74

In my current setup,
- my mount is 6 inches
- ceiling to lens center is about 9 inches (on Sanyo plv-z2000).
- Screen viewing area (top) starts at about 19 inches from ceiling.
- throw distance is 14 feet

Now I am wondering if the lens shift provided by the Acer would be enough to have 0 to minimal keystone?

Heck.. I missed that... Now I am just waiting for it to drop..

Wow, Kfor!

That mounting shelf is awesome. Exactly what I want to do. Can you list the parts? Links maybe if home depot? Thanks!!!

I believe you are good to go as long as your current mount is centered on the screen horizontally. Pretty sure you can get 7" of vertical shift easily without any horizontal shift. (That is 7" of lens shift plus the minimum 3" offset at zero shift giving you the 10" difference from your current setup.) Does that make sense?

Phew! Just finished reading THE WHOLE THREAD. Started last night.
When TD drops the price back down I'm good. I think fatwallet takes 4% off too.

It may not be centered exactly, but close. I started with Infocus SP 4805 that did not have any shift what so ever. The screen was matched based on the 4805. My move to Sanyo was pretty easy as there was more than enough room to wiggle.

PS: Just measured and it is about 71" from side wall (on the lens side) and about 67" from the other. Worst may be I have to move the mount.. if at all

Here is my post about this from back in January:

In my boring measurement exercise I noted that the 5% offset is about right but the lens shift numbers are far less. I noted that there was a max of about 13" horizontal shift with zero vertical and surprisingly less vertical shift at about 11" with zero horizontal shift. That is nothing like the manual says with my particular unit so beware if you need a greater offset. If you are counting on anything greater than about 14" of offset you may be taking a chance based on what I saw. I was easily able to obtain a 120" image at about 13' 3" of throw. I will not be testing max throw because of a wall.

Here is a copy of a post about this issue in the BenQ W7000 thread and it exhibits the same symptoms as the 9500. I can send you a link to a file that looks even worse via HDMI input from PC if you are interested. The issue is that if the 9500 is downsampling 1080 to 720 and then upsampling to 1080 this could be causing this. It will be less evident via video viewing than via single pixel PC display items.


Why do I care about this you may ask since I use BD or TV receiver input and not PC? Simple, as good as the picture looks to you, it is rumored that the best picture is obtained via VGA input and that goes for movies too. Now just imagine your movie viewing being even sharper and having more pop than it does now. Do you get where I am going? Some think it is a digital to analog loss, and some think it is a 1080>720>1080 thing and for all we know it is both. That is what I want Acer to explain. I can tell you that viewing via a PC via VGA input is super sharp. I do not like that.

Congrats - you win the most committed prize! I had to laugh because I remember reading through this thread twice early on (far fewer posts) as I was deciding to buy the projector.

I am doing almost the same..

You guys have no idea how many projector threads I went through before buying the 9500 so do your research. I am happy with my Acer but I would like to be even happier. I am happy to answer any questions I can about it and the ones I cannot I put to Acer support. As with all projectors it has strengths and weaknesses. You have to choose your horse and ride it.

+1..

I need to upgrade my AVR as well. So my eyes are set on Denon 1712..

This is a great thread and thanks to everyone who put so much work into it

Hope to join the ranks soon

Then don't recommend the projector.

I suspect this hdmi issue is happening in many if not most projectors, cos even epson 3010 owners have confirmed to have this problem- i will try to take a screenshot of the difference in VGA-blu ray to show you what you are missing..

and what do you recommend? I am still happy with the unit for price and performance. I hope you do not say Mitsu 7800.

To Mikes2cents....

Agreed. I wish people who think there's a problem with any device would make recommendations which they believe to be better (don't know anything about the Mitsu you're talking about). Every device I've ever come across has its strengths and weaknesses (reliability, performance, price, etc.). As far as I can tell, most of the people on this thread have been straightforward about their experiences with this projector and, as much as anyone, you have been completely honest about what you perceive as the Acer's pluses and minuses. I have tried to follow suit.

In my opinion, these forums exist because they allow people to engage in a discussion of pros and cons and, therefore, make informed decisions. I wouldn't listen to anyone who I think is a mouthpiece for any corporation. My needs are to get performance in a 3D projector at as good a price as possible. If someone has a better idea (Optoma??), please feel free to chime in. Waiting to see what comes around the bend and at what price isn't an option for me (especially at 1500 bucks). Of COURSE there's a downside in this price range, but, please, if there's a better option out there, I'm like Ross Perot (all ears).

I've explained WHY I bought this projector and what I think its drawbacks are. Anyone should feel free to give me the name of a better projector in this price range that suits my needs. I'll jump ship like a hungry rat in a sea of cheddar.

Mike,
First why are your trying to box-up and stifle my opinion?
Are there other choices available to consumers?
Is not buying right now an excellent choice?

There are several aspects and logical paths to be followed for owners of this years DLP projectors, those which apparently downsample to 1280 resolution, do their processing, then upsample back to 1080p. No longer being an owner, I'm not bent on a path of raising holy hell, unlike some people we know. Its all too predictable (and easily avoidable by making the right choice when to purchase).

As an example, Apple, Google, Facebook and many other software companies have purposefully been gathering personal information without customer knowledge or permission. They acted stupid in public but in reality knew exactly what they were doing.
I submit that the professionals stakeholders here also know the situation and can't wait to introduce new models with full 1080p processing. We share this in common!

Looking back at this great recession, Honda (autos) and Sony (lens) also stripped out quality from their products too. Heck even the new $5K Sharp DLP 3D projector review had to be cancelled because of inferior quality. Never seen anything like it!

if you guys won the 640M lotto today would you buy the Acer again?

Hard to say, I would still look at value to the dollar. But I would also look into much higher priced units then I did while researching for a 3D projector. I do know I preffer active vs passive 3D so far.

Watched the Underwolrd Trilogy over the last few days in HD and the Acer was fantastic. Dark movies and the details where still present, love this projector.

Interesting, as always, and I wouldn't dream of stifling anything. The downsample upsample processing theory is about the one that makes the most sense and I am watching where it goes here and on the W7000. Of course we could wait for the next crop, then watch while new owners evaluate them, then discover the problems with those and await a fix and then the next year looms, and then......this one time, at band camp, I think you get my point and I certainly get yours.

To put it succinctly, "No"....(I have $20 worth of tickets on my table) nor would I be showing up to work on Monday without a horrible, but VERY expensive champagne headache. I would be too busy finding as large a home as possible on the beach in Santa Cruz and researching a passive, dual projector setup with a (minimum) 20' screen which would blow your socks off. Then all your families would be flown out to the new Santa Cruz Film Festival.

I will, in fact, be asking and answering questions on this thread and having my paycheck deposited in my account at the usual time. I'll just be $20 poorer

This was my exact take earlier with regard to when to pull the trigger on a purchase. I don't use a computer or do any gaming (though I'm sympathetic to those who do and in fact called Acer Tier 2 to complain). This projector, in spite of the problems I've experienced, has an excellent picture, the price was right, and it had features which were important to me.

That's it....that's my explanation for spending less than $1500 out the door on a 3D projector with a quality picture. Which, by the way, is more than I can say for "Wrath of the Titans"....a LOT of ghosting (IMAX; passive linear glasses) albeit better conversion than the first one (of course my Acer and Sony 780 blu ray did a better job than they did on that one). I like these kinds of movies, but this one kind of sucked. Stick to "The Hunger Games" in my "Not So" humble opinion.

Have a nice weekend folks.

Thanks for that. Did you speak with Ryan and what did he or whomever tell you? The more the merrier on this. I may put up some pics of my own of this phenomenon that clearly show it at its' worst as I will have the PJ on again tonight.

You have a good weekend too. Cheers.

If you call them there is small little chance that they will honor the last week's price. I tried to do that over chat and was turned down saying you have to call their senior sales rep.

Unless Ryan is a woman, I didn't speak to Ryan. The person I spoke with (and I'm convinced the group I spoke with) clearly either doesn't have the authority to speak about engineering issues or doesn't have access to engineering updates for this projector.

I called the Acer number I posted a page or so ago and eventually got to someone who had some knowledge of the product.

I suspect that the gaming problem people are seeing is inherent to the projector (please.....I'm not anything close to an expert and am basing that opinion on the general response I got). I further suspect there may be some initial engineering issues (again, this is simply based on the response I got) which are dealt with when production units are returned (I posted something about this process earlier).

In any case, I didn't have a lot of luck getting specifics and don't bet on my impressions or, generally speaking, the lottery.

Speaking of the lottery.....C'mon you stupid little ping pong balls....papa needs a new pair of shoes.....

OK thanks for the info. Well I forgot Bellator was on so the PJ is not yet on. That MTV2 signal is not worthy of bulb life even upscaled to 1080P via my AVR. I still need to test the new Acer glasses so it will probably be a late night. Tough job but someone has to do it.

Bellator?? Wazzat? Is that some sort of Kardashian thing? Poor Lamar Odom. First he gets married and then traded.....You'd have to talk to my daughter about that one. I thought MTV was the station they played a Pat Benatar or Devo vid on every few hours.....

It is MMA. Use your google. I love watching those fights. Really getting tired of UFC and their PPV greed. MTV and VH1 are nothing like they used to be and I do not generally watch that anymore.

I'm watching my Sanyo PLV Z2000 and can see why some people like DLP and others don't. The Sanyo has a really nice crisp picture too, but the colors are definitely more subdued and is not as bright.

On the MMA stuff....well.....not really MMA, but I used to box as an amateur. My father boxed professionally way back when at the old Olympic Auditorium and was managed by a man who was a rather legendary figure in the Los Angeles boxing scene. His name was Jackie McCoy.