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post #2671 of 4662
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Originally Posted by PrimeTime View Post

Okay guys, time for a break from the Acer grinding, don't you think?

I realize that it takes some degree of grinding to get a company to respond to problems, especially minor ones. (And make no mistake: this is a minor problem.) Expecting Customer Service staff to be up to speed on every little technical aspect of every product they have to juggle is somewhat unrealistic. When CS staff doesn't seem to breathe the same air of urgency that "perfectionist" enthusiasts do, it's a bit of a reach to bash their product on Customer Review sites. Unless one feels that you're really being jobbed and ripped off, a more appropriate reaction might be to confine "venting" to sites like this one.

The venting may continue if and when owners are required to send their units in for upgrade rather than merely upload one. That's not an unreasonable price to pay for perfectionists, is it? When Kuros came out, I wonder how many Pioneer owners gnashed their teeth that their $4K displays couldn't be "upgraded" to a Kuro.

While I'm at it -- no, I don't work for Acer, but I have stayed in the Engineering Holiday Inn a few times -- it might also be relevant to keep another factor in mind: Acer is (or at least, has been) a company that focuses almost exclusively on computer, not home entertainment, products, as many reviewers have pointed out. This may explain/excuse why their PC input works "better" than HDMI, as it is of less interest to TV and movie people than Power Point users who are their primary customers.

Similarly, I expect that the 3-D and CFI functions were likely almost an afterthought -- "oh, this is for Home Theater now, so we'd better put that in too." So it is not surprising that Acer did not anticipate the degree of interest aroused in the Home Theater community by the H9500BD, and therefore was caught a little short with the supply of 3-D viewing glasses.

Okay, that's probably enough Counterpoint for now.

On the customer service point only......I work with the public solving computer network related issues and I am aware that it is intrinsically frustrating when you are experiencing a problem. Further, I don't expect CS reps to have all the answers and I wasn't blaming them for not having them. I happen to be quite good at this part of my work because I follow a couple of simple rules. First off, if I don't have the information, I either tell them where they can get it or look for it myself and get back to them. Secondly, I ANSWER questions in a straight forward fashion and don't say things like "As I've already told you...." when I didn't say it.

For the record, I don't have a beef with Acer (though it may come across that way). I never trashed their projector, but was honest about it's shortcomings. Nothing wrong with that IMO. I also don't have a problem sending my PJ in for a firmware update (though I do them all the time for network equipment and it REALLY shouldn't be that big of a deal) AS LONG AS IT REALLY FIXES THE PROBLEM and I get an, even marginally, clearer picture. What will piss me off is being without my PJ and having it come back in the same or worse condition.

I agree with you about the focus of Acer as opposed to BenQ. I think Acer did the right thing by fixing this issue. They made a projector with a very good picture, but it clearly has some reliability issues. As I've said before, I saw that as the price I paid for saving $1000 to $1500 and I was happy to go through three projectors before getting one that worked properly. Not everyone had that experience (those pesky laws of probability at work here), but some did.

I don't regret buying the Acer and plan on editing my reviews as appropriate.
post #2672 of 4662
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

Where's Mike?
Or is he already 4-5 shots (of you know what) down?

Ouch, that smarts. I had already checked in earlier then had work to do.

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Originally Posted by InCali View Post

According to my chat with the Acer Tier 2 support person, this will mean sending in your projector.

I think it'll be worth it, but I'd like to see some pixel by pixel photos.

Good news to be sure, but we'll have to jump through some hoops.

Great news InCali. Just a matter of getting to the right people as I was saying all along.

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Originally Posted by PrimeTime View Post

Okay guys, time for a break from the Acer grinding, don't you think?

Perhaps, we shall see. I still have not heard back from them regarding my call to level 2 support last week about a possible update. It is possible that my case # is on a hold pending an official release of information or something. This is the first time my call has not been returned, well at least from Acer lol. I will be one of the first ones to amend my reviews when the time comes.
post #2673 of 4662
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Originally Posted by magicone_fr View Post

No, I don't use my projector to play.
When I watch a video in side by side (left/right) in 1080p (any frequency), the 3d picture is teared.
This issue doesn't appear in 1080i or 720p and it doesn't appear with top/bottom videos even in 1080p.
You can download some samples here:

http://www.freehd3d.info/index.php?o...id=4&Itemid=92

Is everyone having this problem too? I want to make sure this isn't an isolated issue.
post #2674 of 4662
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

Ouch, that smarts. I had already checked in earlier then had work to do.

It smarts a LOT less after 4 or 5....
post #2675 of 4662
When the fix does come out, who's gonna play guinea pig?? I think it should be someone besides me because I'll develop a severe case of separation anxiety magnified by the uncertainty surrounding the resolution of my issue (My wife's a therapist by the way....).
post #2676 of 4662
i hope we don't have to send the unit in, sounds like a hassle. i would just like to drop in a new firmware via USB and be done with it. Mounting mine was a pain, taking it off will be annoying too.
post #2677 of 4662
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Originally Posted by Vasim Pathan View Post

i hope we don't have to send the unit in, sounds like a hassle. i would just like to drop in a new firmware via USB and be done with it. Mounting mine was a pain, taking it off will be annoying too.

I wish you luck, but, IMO, ain't gonna happen. It is a pain to mount, but look at the bright side. After awhile you get really good at it. Take it from someone who has mounted their PJ 4 times.....
post #2678 of 4662
lol, i put it up holding the projector in one hand screw driver in the other and three little kids trying to shake the ladder demanding the movie to start. hahah.
post #2679 of 4662
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Originally Posted by Vasim Pathan View Post

lol, i put it up holding the projector in one hand screw driver in the other and three little kids trying to shake the ladder demanding the movie to start. hahah.

Again, where's the rolling on the floor laughing icon when you need it. See? You're already better at it than I am....
post #2680 of 4662
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post

On Page-41 of the manual they have described USB connector for firmware upgrade... (Or to make it usable for firmware upgrade it might need a firmware upgrade..)

Anyways.. Let's wait and see..

I didn't quite catch that the first go around but that is funny. I have poison ivy and was taking Benadryl last night so after checking the thread earlier I went to bed. Missed this during my lunch break earlier but makes me chuckle now.

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Originally Posted by InCali View Post

It smarts a LOT less after 4 or 5....

True, true especially combined with Benadryl. What poison ivy?

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Originally Posted by InCali View Post

When the fix does come out, who's gonna play guinea pig?? I think it should be someone besides me because I'll develop a severe case of separation anxiety magnified by the uncertainty surrounding the resolution of my issue (My wife's a therapist by the way....).

Well if their support would ever make me feel any better I will send mine in. I can use my Epson 8350 in the meantime so I won't be totally out of my big screen viewing, except for 3D which I am not sure I will ever watch on my DLP TV again. That is, if for some silly reason they elect to not use the USB port which as pointed out above is supposed to be there for that purpose. That would be so cool. They will have fully redeemed themselves, almost, that SBS thing I have seen but I have not dug into it yet. I may play a bit there too if I get a chance but that has not been a big issue for me.

InCali, thanks for the idea of contacting Art and doing it. And a big thanks to Art for looking into this on our behalf and of course for the sake of accuracy of his review. Now let's hope for a speedy user update fix.
post #2681 of 4662
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Originally Posted by magicone_fr View Post

No, I don't use my projector to play.
When I watch a video in side by side (left/right) in 1080p (any frequency), the 3d picture is teared.
This issue doesn't appear in 1080i or 720p and it doesn't appear with top/bottom videos even in 1080p.
You can download some samples here:

http://www.freehd3d.info/index.php?o...id=4&Itemid=92

So do you have a display that this content does not tear in 3D and is indeed the H9500BD that causes the issue and not the content? All movies I know of are frame packed so if in SBS or TB it would be a conversion and conversion's almost always have flaws. Even games are coming frame packed now vs SBS or TB least on the consoles.
post #2682 of 4662
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Originally Posted by man4mopar View Post


So do you have a display that this content does not tear in 3D and is indeed the H9500BD that causes the issue and not the content? All movies I know of are frame packed so if in SBS or TB it would be a conversion and conversion's almost always have flaws. Even games are coming frame packed now vs SBS or TB least on the consoles.

This is a known issue. Search for my previous posts in this thread or google it. I posted a vid on youtube.
post #2683 of 4662
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Originally Posted by InCali View Post


You may very well want to change your mind with regard to not buying the Acer.....I have some very good news for everybody (just hope it's true).

Read on....from Art Feierman and submitted word by word as he requested.

************************

OK, I've got something for you. A bit of clarity.

BTW I did send in excerpts (that you sent) of that conversation with Acer support.

I have heard back from one of my contacts - a manager at Acer - can't say which. , They provided me with a genuine quotable statement from Acer, which they said I could publish and share. That means you can quote this as it appears below, on the forums. I would but I'm just so slammed I won't be on the forums again for days. I will try to add to the Acer review and blog about it in the next few days. Meantime, I pass the "baton" to you: Please do not say that this is from Acer - IF you change any of the wording. But if you post it word for word, definitely point out it came from Acer management:

"...I learned today that the HDMI blurring issue can be fixed with a firmware update, which is being developed right now. It should be available by end of month (May). I'll send the link to it on the Acer Support Site once it's posted. Thanks again for bringing this issue to my attention!"

(I added the bolds and inserted the (May) for clarification. I bolded the really important points.

I will post a link as well in my review, when they tell me "the fix is in."

This should calm some folks down... And, as I don't have much experience with Acer, it's nice to see they seem to be reacting the way a good company should, once everyone there is communicating.

-art

Art Feierman
Editor and President
Projector Reviews, Inc.

Nice update! Did they mention the 3d tearing issue?
post #2684 of 4662
If they fix the gaming and blurring then acer has themselves a customer. Thanks to all the guys here who really pushed this issue forward
post #2685 of 4662
If there is an HDMI blurring issue while playing movies from Blu-Ray on my Blu-Ray player via HDMI, or watching TV/movies from my DirecTV receiver via HDMI, I just don't see it from my seating distance. So if there is a fix that requires you to ship them your projector, I don't even know if it is worth the effort (for me). For those of you that this really seems to affect, I think it is great that there will be a fix and resolution.
post #2686 of 4662
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

If there is an HDMI blurring issue while playing movies from Blu-Ray on my Blu-Ray player via HDMI, or watching TV/movies from my DirecTV receiver via HDMI, I just don't see it from my seating distance. So if there is a fix that requires you to ship them your projector, I don't even know if it is worth the effort (for me). For those of you that this really seems to affect, I think it is great that there will be a fix and resolution.

The thing is that you never know if you can see the difference until you do. I used to think my standard def TV was perfectly clear until I actually saw HD.

One thing that Art Feierman said to me was "Hey, for $1500, you've got a hell of a projector. Remember, there are issues with PJs that cost $10K. You're not going to get everything for the price you paid." He wasn't really referring directly to the blurring issue, but sort of overall (menu, lag, etc.). It makes sense and most of us have said so at one point or another. I'm glad Acer is fixing the firmware and interested to see how much the PQ improves.

On a side note....saw The Avengers and it was pretty entertaining ($207M+ in one weekend? Are you kidding me???). Took the day off and bought the new Underworld 3D disc (Wow, is Kate Beckinsale talented or what???)
post #2687 of 4662
i'd get the acer again in a heartbeat. the image it throws is spectacular, 3D is virtually ghost free and the picture pops (literally) out of the screen. like everyone here i was worried about the blurring, shutdowns, tearing issues, but i didn't see any of that. only thing i added to the mix was a color corrector. kudos to acer for making a killer projector under 1500 bucks.
post #2688 of 4662
It is very true they all have issues, I have had $2000 projectors, $3000 projectors, $1000 projectors, and $500 projectors. So far the Viewsonic Pro8200 has been the one with the fewest issues and it cost me $450 refurbished (pretty funny). The image isn't as good as my JVC, but it's really surprisingly (shockingly) close in many scenes except the dark ones, it's not quite as sharp as the JVC which mine tends to be sharper than most DLP's I've seen (go figure). Though my JVC RS-45 has the lamp issue, it sure does do good in dark scenes though (50,000:1 on/off with no IRIS).

The best setup is a JVC RS-45 or RS-55 with a lumagen and then to buy lots of lamps to keep refilling it as the lamps don't last very long, and then get a DLP for 3D. That is the best thing to do in today's PJ world for those that can afford it (it's not cheap though, we're still talking $5000+ by the time you buy 2 PJ's, and a lumagen).
post #2689 of 4662
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

It is very true they all have issues, I have had $2000 projectors, $3000 projectors, $1000 projectors, and $500 projectors. So far the Viewsonic Pro8200 has been the one with the fewest issues and it cost me $450 refurbished (pretty funny). The image isn't as good as my JVC, but it's really surprisingly (shockingly) close in many scenes except the dark ones, it's not quite as sharp as the JVC which mine tends to be sharper than most DLP's I've seen (go figure). Though my JVC RS-45 has the lamp issue, it sure does do good in dark scenes though (50,000:1 on/off with no IRIS).

The best setup is a JVC RS-45 or RS-55 with a lumagen and then to buy lots of lamps to keep refilling it as the lamps don't last very long, and then get a DLP for 3D. That is the best thing to do in today's PJ world for those that can afford it (it's not cheap though, we're still talking $5000+ by the time you buy 2 PJ's, and a lumagen).

I see myself going in slightly different direction in a couple (few??) years. I'm more than happy with my Acer, but see it as an affordable bridge until I settle on a new approach.

I considered the "3D Now" solution as a bridge until some smart, informed person said (essentially) "Hey, why don't you think about the Optoma or the Acer for just a few bucks more?" I had looked at the Optoma, but didn't want to go there because of the lack of shift. For an extra $700, I got the Acer (plus the 3D Now glasses cost a lot).

Long term, I really like the dual projector 3D approach (Ultimate 3D Projector thread), but think that technology needs to mature a bit (filters, screens, light loss, etc.) and it's also not cheap. I take my hat off to some of the people on that thread (believe I read some of your posts there too) as they are both very knowledgeable and clever. I'm drooling at the thought of a dual 4K projector, 20' screen down the road as soon as the source material is available.

Cheers.
post #2690 of 4662
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Originally Posted by Vasim Pathan View Post

i'd get the acer again in a heartbeat. the image it throws is spectacular, 3D is virtually ghost free and the picture pops (literally) out of the screen. like everyone here i was worried about the blurring, shutdowns, tearing issues, but i didn't see any of that. only thing i added to the mix was a color corrector. kudos to acer for making a killer projector under 1500 bucks.

I think I remember a post from you about this color correction device??? I remember looking at some Kodak device?? which seemed way out of my price range (or at least what I wanted to pay). Can you either PM me or post the device you use? What does it buy you? Does it markedly improve the picture and/or give you more functionality with regard to multiple settings (a dramatic shortcoming with the Acer)?
post #2691 of 4662
If a cheap mini-VP exists and actually works, I also need to get a cheap color correction device (would prefer a standalone not an HTPC one). I know about Lumagens and Duo/Edges, but those are kind of pricey.
post #2692 of 4662
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGCUQBQDuz0

i use the color corrector on and off. some movies really help to have THX certified color, makes the picture look great, some movies its not necessary. t he video above explains the effect perfectly.
post #2693 of 4662
Could someone recommend 3D glasses that would be able to be worn over prescription glassed for the Acer. I remember someone stating that the Optoma 101s that don't fold are pretty close in picture quality as the Acer glasses and that they were big. I know they now have 201s but those are pretty steep at $100 a pair. I'm just guessing that the Acers wont fit over prescription glasses as they seem fairly small. I need to buy a couple more Acer glasses from Tiger Direct but am holding off until I can find some that will fit over prescriptions. Thanks in advance.
post #2694 of 4662
i wear glasses and the acer's fit fine, i just took off the nose piece and it was comfortable to wear over glasses.
post #2695 of 4662
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Originally Posted by Vasim Pathan View Post

i wear glasses and the acer's fit fine, i just took off the nose piece and it was comfortable to wear over glasses.

Thanks Vasim that is great news. I guess I would just be concerned with women's glasses(I'm not a male chauvinist if there are any ladies out there) as women sometimes wear larger frames if they are in style.
post #2696 of 4662
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Originally Posted by Vasim Pathan View Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGCUQBQDuz0

i use the color corrector on and off. some movies really help to have THX certified color, makes the picture look great, some movies its not necessary. t he video above explains the effect perfectly.

I'm not paying more for the video processor than I did for my projector....

post #2697 of 4662
Now that I'm a believer in the 9500 all that is left is to find it for a good price. Art on PR states a street price of 13. I cant remember anyone here getting it for less than 15 ?
post #2698 of 4662
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Originally Posted by dbox1080p View Post

Now that I'm a believer in the 9500 all that is left is to find it for a good price. Art on PR states a street price of 13. I cant remember anyone here getting it for less than 15 ?

I think art had the pricing wrong. New 9500s haven't been less than 1499 to my knowledge.
post #2699 of 4662
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Originally Posted by dbox1080p View Post

Now that I'm a believer in the 9500 all that is left is to find it for a good price. Art on PR states a street price of 13. I cant remember anyone here getting it for less than 15 ?

$1499 (free shipping and no tax) is the best price I've seen.....and I "seen" pretty closely.........
post #2700 of 4662
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Originally Posted by joepaiii View Post

I think art had the pricing wrong. New 9500s haven't been less than 1499 to my knowledge.

Ditto..

TG keeps switching between 1699 and 1499 in 2 week cycles ( I guess)..
You can use the FW Cash back to bring it down a bit more...
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