The Official Acer H9500BD Thread - Page 12

My media room will be ready in less than a month. So I am going to have to make a decision soon. When do you think you will pull the trigger?

Waiting on Amazon, then we will see. Need to sell the 8350 too.

myself and Mark H. from AVS will be checking out the BenQ W7000 when it's released. no word yet on pricing. I've owned 6 3D projectors (Acer 5360, JVC RS40, RS50, Sony HW30, Qumi LED and Optoma 500 LED) and looking forward to seeing the W7000.

I know what good and bad 3D looks like, the W7000 by all accounts should be at the top of the list. Especially if it's as sharp as my Benq W6000 and BenQ SP890 that I use at work. The W7000 has the same chassis. The lenses look like fisher price toys, but it's remarkable how sharp they are from edge to edge, top to bottom.

I was thinking about picking up the 9500, but the limited lens shift isn't going to be ideal for my 142" 2.8HP screen, I like a center mount, 6" above eye level for max gain.. there is no such thing as too much light for light-robbing 3D shutter glasses. The W7000 is a dream come true for the HP owners due to it's flexible lens shift.

all you guys picking up the 9500, please let the group know your comments. 1080P 3D DLP is going to own LCOS/LCD for at least this year, especially with SBS and 3D gaming.

3 reviews at amazon.de .....so far so good

Here are the Amazon reviews translated to English:

http://translate.google.com/translat...607%26sr%3D8-1

That link shows the number of segments, not the actual speed. I have been looking for the wheel speed myself and would be interested in seeing a link to your sources if you have a chance. I can't find any on Google.

I just asked Art in his blog:

http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog...comment-213726

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I cannot seem to figure out the CW speed on the Acer either.

I apologize, I thought a 6 segment color wheel = a 6x speed. But now that I read up on color wheel speeds, a 6 segment wheel could be 4x speed depending on the implementation. Neither my wife or I are susceptible to RBE, so I personally would not have any concerns unless the wheel speed was less than 4x. I guess you could always have a guest over and they could see RBE effect, so that would be a concern for a 4x color wheel, but I would think we are talking about a small percentage of people here.

Thanks Zombie. Any idea on when you might receive this projector? I was hoping it would get released by the end of the year, and if not, I will have to take it off my list as I will be purchasing a projector before Jan 1.

LOL i'm back with my couple of days testing on my new beamer.
Well , I recently used an Acer H7531D for almost an year and now I can compare the two side by side:
Cons of H9500BD compared to the H7531D
No auto keystone , no auto detection of projection place , lazy menu response ,much less sharper(have to set the max sharpness to 15 to get the same one on H7531D at 7)and the picture is not so good in 2D mode as my "old" Acer.That's weird because it's seems every specs to be exactly the same.Slow signal detection(especially when turning on the 3D takes about 15sec/Big remote control and only half of it is usable/most of the buttons are not functional/ Heavy and bulky/well I know other projectors are more but.../The big disappointing was that I got exactly the same screen size at the same distance at max ZOOM! Common !!! It's suppose to be 1.5 zoom compared to 1.2 ! And the lens is much bigger too ! So with the same lens throw how can I get the same size with these specs !?!!Short lamp life - 2500 hrs at ECO
Pros:
Bright enough even in ECO mode, impressive 3D , no ghosting or visible crosstalk, great 3D glasses/the included one/ I got second one Ultimate3Dheaven but the picture was kind of grey tinted.

If you are looking mostly for 3D viewing , this is the best 3D projector on the market at the price range under 2K with deepest blacks. You should know that these contrast ratios are forced by so called Auto iris so be aware of the native contrast ration. DLP rules over LCD in this aspect At the end I want to say that the 3D is great ! I'm kind of use to the cons of this projector with every day spend watching blu ray 3D movies Be sure that you will see the difference of playing 720p side by side and 1080p frame packing content

To some this may be a positive. I know some go to extreme length to avoid keystoning, though I am sure it can be shut off in the H7531D. Auto detection, guessing if upside down or right side up? Good to know information though.


Confused a little, which if I read the manual could answer it quickly. Is 15 the highest the 9500 goes? If not I wouldn't get hung up on numbers, is common in recievers to have differing sound level numbers.


Could you explain what is not done as well? Thinking maybe sharpness at 15 is the highest so not as sharp a picture maybe? Color calibration not as good or as deep? Do you think a HTPC with more calibration tools could fix the issue? Do you notice the Iris more on the 9500 example pumping or worse drastic changes in picture depth/color?


I think you are saying the Acer glasses work great but the Ultimate3Dheaven glasses add a grey tint? If so that is great to know, wonder who makes the ACER glasses since unable to locate a way to purchase more of the ACER's.


Sounds great, maybe you mentioned before what other 3D set ups have you viewed in comparison?
Thanks for your write up, more information is awsome.

@Kfor

Are you sure the difference in sharpness isn't related to lens shift, do you have lens shift enabled?

Do you have any keystone enabled?

If you have lens shift enabled, it could be distorting your sharpness, also I've found with some projectors there can be sweet spots in placement to increase sharpness. If the projector is mounted too close you will lose sharpness sometimes on projectors that have cheaper optics. Furthermore, using both keystone and lens shift at the same time could really kill the sharpness.

I'm definitely again any digital or optical correction , so I'm not using neither the lens shift or keystone.The projector is about 15 ft from the screen at diagonal size 126 inches.I've tried everything but the picture is like out of focus. Well , I cannot be sure an 100 % that the projector is perfectly mounted... If it has auto keystone I could be sure by seeing its correction.Thats why it is important to have it./like H7531D/

I would return or exchange it just to be sure, as you may have a defective lens assembly or focus attachment or something.

I assume you tried to move the projector an inch or two forward or back and then re-focus one final time.
You might also try to reset to factory defaults, but also check keystone = 0 in the menu, but I'm assuming you did that already...

Art @ Pjreviews.com is pretty good at evaluating sharpness, out of all the projectors I've seen and owned (and it's been many) his sharpness comparisons have been spot on most of the time.

"The H9500BD looks very nicely sharp. Optics seemed fine, a nice clear image. No lens gives you a perfectly focused image from center to corners, but the Acer seems fairly typical, with little to note. As a single chip DLP Projector, there are no convergence issues, unlike LCD and LCoS projectors, which helps keep the Acer nice and sharp." ---- Art

So for now my assumption is you have a defective unit or you have something setup incorrectly, unless the difference in sharpness between the two units is just normal (who knows).

I tried to tweak the zoom . lens shift , focus , everything but I still cannot get the sharpness of my H7531D . Don't get me wrong , even the little text is clearly readable , but comparing to my previous projector this one is less sharper.I just removed my border tape and found that the 3D is more impressive without it.It's like you have no limit on the window and the pop up effect is more effective

Hi The auto keystone can help to be sure the projector is properly mounted.I used to tweak my old projector until I see the keystone is dead 0
15 is the max sharpness on the Menu - yes
As for the 2D picture , it seems H9500BD is doing it not so better than H7531D mainly because of the sharpness.Everything else seems to be equally.
3D glasses can be found at http://www.expansys-usa.com/acer-e1b..._campaign=base

You could try an exchange or return, that's what I'd do just to satisfy my curiosity to see if the next one might be slightly sharper.

So, this is my first projector and I am still waiting on my screen. I was anxiously awaiting my screen, so I cleared off a wall and fired it up. The initial setup was frustrating, as the orientation was upside down and reversed, but I persevered and eventually was able to get an image up. At this time, this is the best purchase I have every made. Just the sheer size of the image on a blank white wall makes me giddy.

Couple of more questions:

1.) Is the dynamic iris considered dynamic black with settings being off, middle, high?

2.) On a ps3, does this projector support RGB FULL? I have a test pattern of 4 slides and it shows all but the top row, whereas my Panasonic G10, only shows the middle squares.

3.) I have the picture setting as dark cinema, beyond that does anyone have any picture settings they can recommend?

4.) What about a good ceiling mount?

I looked at the demos on Vudu of Tron, and Tangled in 3D and thought they both looked very good. I have the God of War Origins, so I even played some of that just to get a feel about it. It will be even better on the screen, and when I can sit in my coach facing the right direction of my speakers. By the way, I have been running in eco mode, and the 3D is plenty bright, and the color is quite accurate using anything blu-ray. There is a lot of nitpicking out there considering it is a budget 1080p 3D projector.

DHL should have my screen from Visual Apex in today, after work I'll see if I can get my screen up and everthing else setup.

Chuck, congrats!

I can answer the first question: Yes, Dynamic Black is DLPs name for Dynamic Iris. It should improve black levels a lot compared to DLP projectors that don't have this feature, like the Optoma HD33 or Mits HC4000.

Do the pixels on the 9500bd have an extra pixel thickness from fringing or any added color to them, or is it purely focus.

If you see an "Extra Pixel" or fringing effect that looks like mis-convergence, it could be Chromatic Abberation.
If it appears to be primarily focus and the pixels seem to look the same overall but more blooming, then it sounds like a focus issue.

Judging from the difference in those 2 screenshots, I would exchange your 9500 for another one just to be sure.

Have you tried this sharpness test with a different source such as a test pattern and calibration disk? Seems there may be a situation where your PC or whatever is optimized for your 7531 and not so much for the 9500. Does it look this way for all material? Art would have toasted the unit if it looked that crappy.

It appears to these noob eyes that the menu looks equal which would make me think that the source is the problem. No?

That is a keen obervation, but it's hard to say for certain, as bolded white text on blue background often makes text look sharper (it hides lack of sharpness).

I've always been suspicious as to that's why some MFR's love white text on blue for menu text :P

Are any of the owners of the 9500 noticing the yo-yo iris issues that Art noted in his review?

Sure looks that way to me also. This was the problem I had initially with the 5360. Some of the default settings (Standard, Movie, etc...) apply different amounts of sharpening/image enhancements. I use the projector all the time as a PC display, so it stood out like crazy in some instances where text looked weird due to artificial sharpening, etc... Fortunately I found a combination of settings that reduced this to a tolerable level. I have to wonder if the 9500 is doing this also and there is no way to turn it off 100%.

Still, given how blurry that 2nd shot is, I would also recommend an exchange just in case. Purely judging from the screenshot, I've never owned a projector that looked that bad and I've had several DLP's (X1, 4805, X10, HD1000U, and 5360).

The Acer is available to order from Amazon now. Ships in 3 to 5 weeks.

Dear Tim,
I am interested in the projector-will u consider accepting an offer to buy at $1350 as I am on a tight budget..

Many thanks!