or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Digital Projectors - Under $3,000 USD MSRP › The Official Acer H9500BD Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The Official Acer H9500BD Thread - Page 125

post #3721 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by InCali View Post

Many of you have probably heard that Avatar (3D Version) will be released on Oct 16. A first day buy for me. I can't wait to see how the cinematography compares with "Hugo" (my best disk from the perspective of 3D).
I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad I didn't give in to the lure of the pumped us prices on EBay. I guess those folks will have to figure out a new way to make money now. I would probably have paid about $35 to $40 for it awhile back, but I just couldn't stomach the $70 price tags I was seeing.....

Own a Panasonic VT20 and Panasonic gave the movie to purchaser's. Still have my copy it looks fantastic on the Acer, you will dig it.
post #3722 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by man4mopar View Post

Own a Panasonic VT20 and Panasonic gave the movie to purchaser's. Still have my copy it looks fantastic on the Acer, you will dig it.

Do you have "Hugo". If so, how do you think they compare from a cinematography standpoint? Do others out there have both? If so, how do you think they stack up? I'm very interested in this as Hugo was as well done as I've seen.
post #3723 of 4744
I have seen a few posts about screen size and it looks like maybe the numbers on projector central are a bit off for the H9500BD.

I would love to hit 150 inches. My current setup is an acer h5360 and 106 inch screen. We are closing on a new house next month and I get a bigger room to play with!

What size screen is everyone using and how many feet back is your projector?
post #3724 of 4744
Haven't seen Hugo, tried to before heading south but didn't happen, looking forward to watching it when home.
post #3725 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyohan View Post

I have seen a few posts about screen size and it looks like maybe the numbers on projector central are a bit off for the H9500BD.
I would love to hit 150 inches. My current setup is an acer h5360 and 106 inch screen. We are closing on a new house next month and I get a bigger room to play with!
What size screen is everyone using and how many feet back is your projector?

I have a 120" screen and am back about 15'. I'm on the upper part of the zoom, but not maxed out. Coderguy's calculator was pretty much dead on as far as the distance.

My projector hasn't had a hiccup and looks really, really good. I haven't even watched Hugo since the upgrade and it looked awesome before that.
post #3726 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by joepaiii View Post

I still think that having no save settings is the biggest flaw that this projector has. I don't think I have seen a worse system on a video display.

Quote:
Originally Posted by man4mopar View Post

I set it and leave it, not the type to have different calibrations for different content or input devices. I have seen some displays that all you have are preset choices, so there is worse out there.
I agree with both of you. There are better and there are worse, but no real saved setting on a $1500+ projector is regrettable. Therefore a agree more with joepaiii that this is the biggest flaw with the projector. I cannot just set it and forget it. I like to play with it.smile.gif I have yet to determine the extent of what changes causes what to change, but needless to say if you calibrate the unit, then make the mistake of watching it in say bright mode for a certain content and adjust one thing BAM, that is your new user setting. Bright default settings with the adjustment you made. At least that is how I understand it right now but I need time to verify whether the global settings change as well.

As I mentioned earlier, I also played with the brightness and contrast in 3D mode. I believe these to be different than the 2D settings and do not affect those but again I have to verify all of this my next day off. Again, do not be afraid to play with those settings if you like. I made some changes that surprised my on the latest Pirates 3D movie. Though I probably will not like Hugo from an action storyline standpoint, I understand it is a well shot 3D so I will probably pick it up when I catch a good deal on it. As for Avatar, I watched it on demand for free and it has good effects but I would not say the best 3D movie I have seen. But I am funny about movies. Let me put it this way, I am not in a hurry to pick up Avatar but if someone gives it to me I will take it and put it in the cabinet.

Anyway.......I will let everyone know what I find about the user setting thing when I am off and have time to find out what adjustment affects what. I have been playing with it some as I compose this and I think the wife has had enough.wink.gif
post #3727 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by InCali View Post

I have a 120" screen and am back about 15'. I'm on the upper part of the zoom, but not maxed out. Coderguy's calculator was pretty much dead on as far as the distance.

Is Coderguy's calculator the projector central calc? The reason that I thought the calc was off was because I read some posts about not being able to hit 120 @ 14 feet. According to the calc you should be able to (at zoom) hit it at 13.1 feet. So I thought maybe the amount that it is off for 150" screen would be even greater. confused.gif
post #3728 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyohan View Post

I would love to hit 150 inches. My current setup is an acer h5360 and 106 inch screen. We are closing on a new house next month and I get a bigger room to play with!
What size screen is everyone using and how many feet back is your projector?

Mine is just a hair over 13'6" from a 120" screen. I believe I could/would go to about 135" max but then I would be concerned about lumens unless you go big time dark man cave. Just my opinin and you can check some of the calculators for the lumen output, but I do not believe anyone has done actual readings in order to justify the lumen output of the 9500 in those calculators so beware.
post #3729 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by InCali View Post


My projector hasn't had a hiccup and looks really, really good. I haven't even watched Hugo since the upgrade and it looked awesome before that.
You are of course referring to your latest projector I am sure.
post #3730 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyohan View Post

Is Coderguy's calculator the projector central calc? The reason that I thought the calc was off was because I read some posts about not being able to hit 120 @ 14 feet. According to the calc you should be able to (at zoom) hit it at 13.1 feet. So I thought maybe the amount that it is off for 150" screen would be even greater. confused.gif

Find a post from Coderguy and the site is posted below. I think it's called "EliteCalculator" or something like that. It worked for me.
post #3731 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

Mine is just a hair over 13'6" from a 120" screen. I believe I could/would go to about 135" max but then I would be concerned about lumens unless you go big time dark man cave. Just my opinin and you can check some of the calculators for the lumen output, but I do not believe anyone has done actual readings in order to justify the lumen output of the 9500 in those calculators so beware.

Are you using eco mode or no?
post #3732 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by InCali View Post

Find a post from Coderguy and the site is posted below. I think it's called "EliteCalculator" or something like that. It worked for me.

I was on their site today. They use the same calc from projector central, if you look at the picture of the screen it even has the projector central logo. smile.gif

Sounds like it is pretty close then, thanks!
post #3733 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyohan View Post

Are you using eco mode or no?
Yes eco mode but be advised that full bulb is not drastically brighter in my experience with it. And you can be sure all calculators are using manufacturer specs for the unit at full power/lumens. That is advertised lumens in what I am sure is optimum conditions. And then we do not know how that was measured or calculated either.

Edit: even in eco mode my projector is good enough for me. Some of the brighter modes do look better with the lights on but that is not how I roll when getting down to serious viewing enjoyment.
post #3734 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyohan View Post

I was on their site today. They use the same calc from projector central, if you look at the picture of the screen it even has the projector central logo. smile.gif
Sounds like it is pretty close then, thanks!

Unless I misunderstood your post, let me add a correction here...

www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com is my calculator and it has no affiliation with projector central (or any company), you are thinking of ELITE the screen manufacturer, a totally different site.

The numbers in my calculator have no basis or relation to where the numbers from PJC gets their data from. My numbers also completely ignore the MFR specs. Instead, I average out reviewers and user measurements using a percentile multi-averaging system. I would also note that I have a somewhat more limited amount of averaging data for the Acer 9500bd projector than others due to inconsistencies in reviews. However, what my calculator does is show actual best mode numbers and post-calibrated on a new lamp, rather than MFR numbers. My calc has been tested to be within 15% error most of the time (and usually falls under 10% error), but there will be some lamp and unit variance as always even on a new lamp.

For 3D mode, I have less reliable LUMENS data for the Acer than any other projector, mainly because the reviewers didn't seem to clearly state what the maximum 3D achievable lumens really were (pre-glasses of course).
Edited by coderguy - 8/20/12 at 10:19pm
post #3735 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Unless I misunderstood your post, let me add a correction here...
www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com is my calculator and it has no affiliation with projector central (or any company), you are thinking of ELITE the screen manufacturer, a totally different site.

You are absolutely right. I took "EliteCalculator" to be a reference to the Elite Screens Calculator. Sorry about that and thanks for the clarification!
post #3736 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

I agree with both of you. There are better and there are worse, but no real saved setting on a $1500+ projector is regrettable. Therefore a agree more with joepaiii that this is the biggest flaw with the projector. I cannot just set it and forget it. I like to play with it.smile.gif I have yet to determine the extent of what changes causes what to change, but needless to say if you calibrate the unit, then make the mistake of watching it in say bright mode for a certain content and adjust one thing BAM, that is your new user setting. Bright default settings with the adjustment you made. At least that is how I understand it right now but I need time to verify whether the global settings change as well.
As I mentioned earlier, I also played with the brightness and contrast in 3D mode. I believe these to be different than the 2D settings and do not affect those but again I have to verify all of this my next day off. Again, do not be afraid to play with those settings if you like. I made some changes that surprised my on the latest Pirates 3D movie. Though I probably will not like Hugo from an action storyline standpoint, I understand it is a well shot 3D so I will probably pick it up when I catch a good deal on it. As for Avatar, I watched it on demand for free and it has good effects but I would not say the best 3D movie I have seen. But I am funny about movies. Let me put it this way, I am not in a hurry to pick up Avatar but if someone gives it to me I will take it and put it in the cabinet.
Anyway.......I will let everyone know what I find about the user setting thing when I am off and have time to find out what adjustment affects what. I have been playing with it some as I compose this and I think the wife has had enough.wink.gif

I watched Harry Potter 8 in 3D on On Demand the other day and there is simply no comparison to watching it on 3D blu ray (I have the blu ray, but was watching it on On Demand to see if I could pick up any differences). The scenes where there is fast motion get really blurry when you watch it On Demand and it's just not as sharp....clear.....whatever. If you think about frame packing (essentially two 1080p images per frame) vs 1080i (my cable resolution), the differences I saw make sense. Don't make the mistake of comparing apples to oranges.
post #3737 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Unless I misunderstood your post, let me add a correction here...
www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com is my calculator and it has no affiliation with projector central (or any company), you are thinking of ELITE the screen manufacturer, a totally different site.
The numbers in my calculator have no basis or relation to where the numbers from PJC gets their data from. My numbers also completely ignore the MFR specs. Instead, I average out reviewers and user measurements using a percentile multi-averaging system. I would also note that I have a somewhat more limited amount of averaging data for the Acer 9500bd projector than others due to inconsistencies in reviews. However, what my calculator does is show actual best mode numbers and post-calibrated on a new lamp, rather than MFR numbers. My calc has been tested to be within 15% error most of the time (and usually falls under 10% error), but there will be some lamp and unit variance as always even on a new lamp.
For 3D mode, I have less reliable LUMENS data for the Acer than any other projector, mainly because the reviewers didn't seem to clearly state what the maximum 3D achievable lumens really were (pre-glasses of course).

I used it mainly for mounting and found it pretty much spot on with regard to screen size. The brightness didn't concern me as I have almost complete light control (except when my dog pushes the door open to say hi....he never shuts it behind him) and find the Acer to be plenty bright in all modes.

Oh yeah......I'll get you those light measurements soon.
post #3738 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by InCali View Post

Don't make the mistake of comparing apples to oranges.
I have seen the bluray 3D version as well, just not all of it and that is because I do not own it. However, you make a good point.
post #3739 of 4744
where do you guys rent 3D blurays?
post #3740 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by InCali View Post

It looks like Tiger Direct is the only place that is carrying the Acer. Amazon and NewEgg are out. I'd bet that when/if they get them in, it will be with the new firmware.
Hey aarnaddeeman and Onetski.....your reviews on Amazon don't look like they've been updated.

Been very busy lately. So busy that I haven't really used my projector. I haven't even watch a full movie yet. I turned the projector twice or thrice just to make sure it works and to check out that HDMI blur issue. I don't even have a screen yet. Been debating whether to get a gray or white screen. The projector will go to my family room so there is ambient light galore. But today I called acer support to send in my projector for the firmware update. I have a case number but I'm gonna have to pm you incali because they only want to pay one way shipping. Anyway, I will update my reviews once I get back my projector. And also I want thank all those people in this forum who worked so hard in prodding acer to release a firmware update. You're all my heroes.
post #3741 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonetski View Post

Been very busy lately. So busy that I haven't really used my projector. I haven't even watch a full movie yet. I turned the projector twice or thrice just to make sure it works and to check out that HDMI blur issue. I don't even have a screen yet. Been debating whether to get a gray or white screen. The projector will go to my family room so there is ambient light galore. But today I called acer support to send in my projector for the firmware update. I have a case number but I'm gonna have to pm you incali because they only want to pay one way shipping. Anyway, I will update my reviews once I get back my projector. And also I want thank all those people in this forum who worked so hard in prodding acer to release a firmware update. You're all my heroes.

You should have the contact info for shipping. Let me know if there's a problem.
post #3742 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasim Pathan View Post

where do you guys rent 3D blurays?

Blockbuster has had them though mail rental at least use to be hit and miss, I rented from Family video a brick a mortar store, there is this place but never used them but read of good reviews http://www.3d-blurayrental.com/
post #3743 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasim Pathan View Post

where do you guys rent 3D blurays?

Our local Family Video rents 3D movies.
post #3744 of 4744
I don't know why people trying to compare Optoma H33 with Acer, I had both and I would say you can not even compare it, Acer wins for 3d and 2d. I watching over HTTP, and I do some setting on a PC as well for a better quality.
I really enjoying watch movies on my Acer, no regret at all.
post #3745 of 4744
its probably the #1 projector for 2D and 3D under $1500 made by acer. biggrin.gif
post #3746 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by sars View Post

I don't know why people trying to compare Optoma H33 with Acer, I had both and I would say you can not even compare it, Acer wins for 3d and 2d. I watching over HTTP, and I do some setting on a PC as well for a better quality.
I really enjoying watch movies on my Acer, no regret at all.

Well, the Optoma hd33 has a 6x color wheel and the Acer has a 4x. The hd33 has a full CMS for more accurate color. The hd33 (from what I suspect) is brighter than the Acer in 3D mode, but the Acer is brighter in 2D mode. You can't do a one-shoe fits all in projectors, wish we could, otherwise we wouldn't bother comparing.

The Acer has higher contrast. No offense, but it always makes me suspicious to hear someone say you "just cannot compare it". I compare my $3000 JVC to $500 projectors, and I can compare it just fine.
post #3747 of 4744
i was looking at that screenshot of the w7000 vs the acer on Star wars and picture looked pretty bad from the screenshots, i will try my own comparisons to see if see similar, but i haven't seen acer muddy up a picture like that and lose all the details
post #3748 of 4744
Quote:
Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Well, the Optoma hd33 has a 6x color wheel and the Acer has a 4x. The hd33 has a full CMS for more accurate color. The hd33 (from what I suspect) is brighter than the Acer in 3D mode, but the Acer is brighter in 2D mode. You can't do a one-shoe fits all in projectors, wish we could, otherwise we wouldn't bother comparing.
The Acer has higher contrast. No offense, but it always makes me suspicious to hear someone say you "just cannot compare it". I compare my $3000 JVC to $500 projectors, and I can compare it just fine.

I think "you can't compare them" was being used as a figure of speech (but, hell, I'm no mind reader). The 6X color wheel is certainly a legitimate concern for the "rainbow impaired" (oh, wait, I'm rainbow impaired; not you biggrin.gif ) The 50Hz model, as I understand it, does have a 6x color wheel. For those of us who have good light control, I don't think the Acer brightness in any mode is an issue (3D looks plenty bright to me in eco mode). Also, this person doesn't yet have the firmware update if I understand things correctly. We'll see how the CMS plays out with the Acer. It may well have a full CMS. Have we been able to determine yea or nay on that one?

So, for my usage, the Acer gives me a great picture for a great price and I'm happy. I watched "Hunger Games" the other day and (no matter how many nay sayers don't like it tongue.gif ), the picture was great. After seeing it again, I still really enjoyed the movie.....go figure huh? If this one doesn't break down on me eek.gif , I'll be powerful pleased.

Can't wait for Prometheus (which I thought had really great cinematography, though surprisingly some disagree and thought the Avengers had better photog???) and the Avengers to come out. Nothing like Charlize Theron in a tight uniform to bring out the best in 3D wink.gif

Cheers.
post #3749 of 4744
When I watch movie on my Acer(not updated), it's just a breathtaking experience, my setting:( HDMI Color in Limited Range and Iris medium) and in the result I have an awesome picture, before Acer I tried Optoma and EPSON, but none of them can compare it, Be honest I can not explain why,but when I watched movie on my Sony SXRD TV I was very enjoyed, but the same movie on the projector was a totally different experience, lack of deep colors and sharpness(too much video noise),was made my decision to watch movies on this projector on 3D only, but with a Acer I enjoy watching movies in 2D as well, but I am talking about Blue-Ray, for DVD it's not the best projector.
All my color settings I do on PC, because it has more settings than Acer
post #3750 of 4744
Thanks to Incali, i have sent in and received my projector with the updated firmware. hdmi now sure looks as clean as 1:1 mapping.smile.gif

I have lost all previous settings - can anyone pls advise on the correct settings for best accurate color?

Thanks again!
EK
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Digital Projectors - Under $3,000 USD MSRP › The Official Acer H9500BD Thread