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post #391 of 4744
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

Thanks man4mopar. I don't know if it makes a difference with my glasses. Guess we will find out soon when Ack gets his stuff. Would you be willing to check what is available in the service menu? I asked about this here previously but nobody has responded yet. Thanks. BTW I used to be a huge Mopar fan. Had a 70 Challenger R/T 440 SixPak. Man I wish I had kept that car but I had to sell it in 86. That thing would bring a fortune today.

See if I can attach these crappy pictures from my phone of the menu's.
!!These pictures are taken quickly with a phones camera do not judge the sharpness etc from them, posted for menu options only!!

Hope they post anyway.
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post #392 of 4744
And the last one. All the colors on picture 162 can be tuned, so unless I am missing something the grey scale should be able to be calibrated.
Using a HTPC I am able to dial in grey scale etc with the onboard calibrating it has. Grey scale, contrast picture and brightness etc.

Does that answer what you are after Mike? And yeah I bet you do wish you had that old mopar back. At the moment I have a 79 D100 with a 400 Bblock with a 4spd manual and a 98 Ram 4x4 2500 12v diesel 5spd manual.
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post #393 of 4744
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Originally Posted by man4mopar View Post

And the last one. All the colors on picture 162 can be tuned, so unless I am missing something the grey scale should be able to be calibrated.
Using a HTPC I am able to dial in grey scale etc with the onboard calibrating it has. Grey scale, contrast picture and brightness etc.

Does that answer what you are after Mike? And yeah I bet you do wish you had that old mopar back. At the moment I have a 79 D100 with a 400 Bblock with a 4spd manual and a 98 Ram 4x4 2500 12v diesel 5spd manual.

Was that the service menu? At any rate it looks like the unit is good to go and thanks for posting those long overdue menu pics. Unfortunately there is two settings or adjustments one must make with all the colors and that is probably what Art was talking about when calibrating gray scale.

EDIT: BTW I will say this again in case I was not clear. I have no intentions of calibrating the 9500 and have not done so with my 8350 which I am currently watching the Giants Cowboys game on. So to each their own but I bet few calibrate anyway. Art says it is good if you do not calibrate and I venture to say that is 90% plus here, and those that do probably do less than a favorable job. If I feel a need to calibrate the unit it will be with my AVR. So if you read the review, take away what you should. It appears to be a high contrast unit that has very good out of the box calibration. If you are calibrating, you need good equipment. I doubt most folks have this or the know how.
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post #395 of 4744
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Originally Posted by man4mopar View Post

See if I can attach these crappy pictures from my phone of the menu's.
!!These pictures are taken quickly with a phones camera do not judge the sharpness etc from them, posted for menu options only!!

Hope they post anyway.

I tried these settings and they look pretty good, I was wondering if anyone has the original settings because I forgot to write them down. . Also, I was wondering if anyone has tried to turn dynamic black off, and in doing so, having a black screen, a few times I have tried this and been unable to get the screen up unless I was lucky enough to get the setting to middle; is it a huge no-no changing around the dynamic iris with the picture paused?
post #396 of 4744
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

My new review is online :

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/tests/313...H9500BD-0.html

automatic translation :

http://translate.google.fr/translate...H9500BD-0.html

Thanks for posting that. Your review and Art's seem to echo each other, but Art preferred Bright Color mode and you did not (I believe).

One thing I am confused about (and perhaps it is just the interpretation from Google) but you say there is no way to adjust RGB, but the sceenshots posted by man4mopar show that you can.
post #397 of 4744
Ack_BK They are adjustable on my unit. His review also stated that the gamma was not adjustable, mine is adjustable. On my machine if it is not adjustable it is blacked out/not selectable.
post #398 of 4744
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Originally Posted by man4mopar View Post

Ack_BK They are adjustable on my unit. His review also stated that the gamma was not adjustable, mine is adjustable. On my machine if it is not adjustable it is blacked out/not selectable.

I wonder if he received a preproduction unit??
post #399 of 4744
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

Was that the service menu?

Is the only menu I know of, maybe I am unsure what you mean by service menu.
I can say the menu without a source on is limited and with a source it expands to what I posted.
post #400 of 4744
This isn't a RGB balance, it's not possible to adjust the greyscale with this menu :



It's only a mini-CMS.

If you turn brilliant color on, here are the results :



You will get too much noise in the picture, by turning the BC off the picture is clean :

post #401 of 4744
kraine, if you still have the 9500 can you see if there is a proper CMS option in the Service Menu?

Got this from coolmo on the 7531 thread. It is for the 7531 but I suspect the 9500 will be the same. Thanks.


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Just downloaded the service manual for the H7530D. Haven't tried it yet.

4-2 Service Mode
1. Turn on the projector
2. Do the following actions sequentially to get into Service Mode
(1) Press "Power", "Left", "Left" and "Menu" buttons sequentially.
(2) Service Mode will be shown.
(3) Choose "Exit" to leave the Service Mode after confirming the configuration.

Also, of note a couple of those guys in that thread played with the iris settings in there. Just something to look at if you are curious.

Guys what is needed is at least brightness/contrast or gain/offset or whatever the manufacturer names it for the primary colors at least. The single slider for the colors of the Acer does what? I have no clue.

Ack_bk are you tracking your 9500? When is it due?
post #402 of 4744
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

kraine, if you still have the 9500 can you see if there is a proper CMS option in the Service Menu?

Got this from coolmo on the 7531 thread. It is for the 7531 but I suspect the 9500 will be the same. Thanks.


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Just downloaded the service manual for the H7530D. Haven't tried it yet.

4-2 Service Mode
1. Turn on the projector
2. Do the following actions sequentially to get into Service Mode
(1) Press "Power", "Left", "Left" and "Menu" buttons sequentially.
(2) Service Mode will be shown.
(3) Choose "Exit" to leave the Service Mode after confirming the configuration.

Also, of note a couple of those guys in that thread played with the iris settings in there. Just something to look at if you are curious.

Guys what is needed is at least brightness/contrast or gain/offset or whatever the manufacturer names it for the primary colors at least. The single slider for the colors of the Acer does what? I have no clue.

Ack_bk are you tracking your 9500? When is it due?

Just got shipped from Newegg and I should have it by Wednesday evening or Thursday morning... I hope to have some time to play with it this week but am working on getting my media room built by the end of the month

I will certainly fire it up using some default settings and let you know how it compares to the 3010.
post #403 of 4744
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

This isn't a RGB balance, it's not possible to adjust the greyscale with this menu :


It's only a mini-CMS.

If you turn brilliant color on, here are the results :



You will get too much noise in the picture, by turning the BC off the picture is clean :


Thanks for answering these questions Kraine and thanks for posting your review. You also mentioned that it was a 4x color wheel which was an outstanding question (Art thought it was 5x).

All in all, it sounds like this projector pretty solid, and if Acer would have offered greyscale control, it would have been just about perfect for it's price range.

One other question that I have (perhaps I missed it in your review and will go back and read it again), but what size screen do you have and what gain when you were testing 3D? Once of my concerns about this projector in 3D was if it had enough lumens in 3D for a 120-125" 1.2 gain screen.

Thanks!

EDIT: Nevermind found it:
Screen: 2.20 meters wide (gain 1)
post #404 of 4744
Art (Projector Reviews)doesn't compare the Epson HC5010 to the Acer H9500BD but if you compare the Star Ship photos from each review the 9500BD seems to have as good or slightly better black levels than the HC5010.

Acer 9500 is first photo, HC5010 2nd. 3rd is Sony VPW95ES is third photo and has much blacker blacks, but it's $10K. Question is how does the Acer get such good blacks for a budget projector, that is, if these photos are a true representation of actual images on the screen, I don't see much difference.

I added the pt-ae70000 (last photo) for another reference, they look pretty close.
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post #405 of 4744
Mike2cents,

Just noticed from Kraine's review:

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It is also a 3D Ready diffuser face, since it is compatible with the signals DLP Link. This is a technology that requires no transmitter to synchronize special glasses, the projector will flash white as the receiver picks up glasses DLP Link to synchronize and display an image on three dimensions.

So there you go, no red flash
post #406 of 4744
Thank you Kraine! I always look forward to your reviews, I like the detail you present them with.

Will you be reviewing the Benq W7000 in the future? Thats another interesting 3D DLP slightly more expensive than the Acer.
post #407 of 4744
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

Mike2cents,

Just noticed from Kraine's review:



So there you go, no red flash

@ack_bk thanks. Yes I saw all of that and also saw the 4x CW speed. I also saw some other info and that prompted me to look at the HD33 review they did. It also has no full CMS according to that review. More on that in a moment but I wanted to check out lumens since he posted those. Now if I am not mistaken they measured 160 Lux behind the glasses on the 9500 which if my calculations are correct means looking at 419 lumens. Now stay with me here, I assume that is what you get with one eye. Now I also presume you get the same on the other eye and 419 plus 419 adds up to uhmm probably 419. Yeah I know but could not resist. Now, I decided to check the HD33 review and see that behind the bezel which I presume is glasses, 3D on that unit measured 288 lumens. So if I am correct the 9500 should be quite a bit brighter in 3D than the HD33. Unfortunately the reviews only show the lumens of the 9500 in brightest 3D mode (not the HD33) which they said was 570Lux or 1493 lumens. That appears to be close to the approx 75% loss through the glasses everyone talks about so I am going with those numbers, which BTW are not mine so don't flame me. So ack_bk, the 9500 ought to be brighter in 3D than the HD33 and you can use the iris and cfi.

Now for the Contrast, yes if you pause the pic with the iris enabled on max/high, I expect it to deliver and it does. Funny thing is both reviews say it pumps/yoyos, even PC review of the 7531 said the same thing which BTW since I am bringing that review of similar model up, let me reitirate what they said about the CMS on that unit which is the same as the 9500: it can be calibrated but not without difficulty. Just read the review of that unit where at least they went to the trouble to see what they could do instead of throwing in the towel immediately and saying it cannot be done. Also 7531 owners have gotten into the Service Mode of the unit and corrected some of the Iris issues. I am still curious what can be done in the Service Mode of the 9500.

I saw the 9500 available on Amazon today at MSRP. I sent them a message about the price. Could have had it here tomorrow but not for that price. I have time.

Before I post this up, I only mentioned the CMS lack in the HD33 based on kraine's review of that unit. This CMS business is not going to be an issue with me because I am sure I can correct anything I need to with my AVR if, and that is a big if, I decide I cannot live with the picture. I will not get on my rant about who calibrates, who does not, and who should. All I want to say is that if you are determined to calibrate this unit, you can do it, but not without some difficulty. If you are a videophile you will figure this one out. Then again, if you are a videophile you probably may not be buying this unit even though it can spank some more expensive units in some areas so a videophile may just be intrigued by the value and potential. After all, in a year or two who knows what will be available. My 4k video scaler in my AVR immediately comes to mind. Spend as you see fit.

Edit: Whoopsie, forgot to mention that I am not sure the red flash vs white flash is going to be any issue whatsoever with the 3d heaven glasses. I doubt it but who knows? Ack_bk will very soon but I do not foresee any issues.
post #408 of 4744
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

kr.

4-2 Service Mode
1. Turn on the projector
2. Do the following actions sequentially to get into Service Mode
(1) Press "Power", "Left", "Left" and "Menu" buttons sequentially.
(2) Service Mode will be shown.
(3) Choose "Exit" to leave the Service Mode after confirming the configuration.

That works on the H9500bd as well, will post crappy camera phone pics tomorrow.
post #409 of 4744
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post


@ack_bk thanks. Yes I saw all of that and also saw the 4x CW speed. I also saw some other info and that prompted me to look at the HD33 review they did. It also has no full CMS according to that review. More on that in a moment but I wanted to check out lumens since he posted those. Now if I am not mistaken they measured 160 Lux behind the glasses on the 9500 which if my calculations are correct means looking at 419 lumens. Now stay with me here, I assume that is what you get with one eye. Now I also presume you get the same on the other eye and 419 plus 419 adds up to uhmm probably 419. Yeah I know but could not resist. Now, I decided to check the HD33 review and see that behind the bezel which I presume is glasses, 3D on that unit measured 288 lumens. So if I am correct the 9500 should be quite a bit brighter in 3D than the HD33. Unfortunately the reviews only show the lumens of the 9500 in brightest 3D mode (not the HD33) which they said was 570Lux or 1493 lumens. That appears to be close to the approx 75% loss through the glasses everyone talks about so I am going with those numbers, which BTW are not mine so don't flame me. So ack_bk, the 9500 ought to be brighter in 3D than the HD33 and you can use the iris and cfi.

Now for the Contrast, yes if you pause the pic with the iris enabled on max/high, I expect it to deliver and it does. Funny thing is both reviews say it pumps/yoyos, even PC review of the 7531 said the same thing which BTW since I am bringing that review of similar model up, let me reitirate what they said about the CMS on that unit which is the same as the 9500: it can be calibrated but not without difficulty. Just read the review of that unit where at least they went to the trouble to see what they could do instead of throwing in the towel immediately and saying it cannot be done. Also 7531 owners have gotten into the Service Mode of the unit and corrected some of the Iris issues. I am still curious what can be done in the Service Mode of the 9500.

I saw the 9500 available on Amazon today at MSRP. I sent them a message about the price. Could have had it here tomorrow but not for that price. I have time.

Before I post this up, I only mentioned the CMS lack in the HD33 based on kraine's review of that unit. This CMS business is not going to be an issue with me because I am sure I can correct anything I need to with my AVR if, and that is a big if, I decide I cannot live with the picture. I will not get on my rant about who calibrates, who does not, and who should. All I want to say is that if you are determined to calibrate this unit, you can do it, but not without some difficulty. If you are a videophile you will figure this one out. Then again, if you are a videophile you probably may not be buying this unit even though it can spank some more expensive units in some areas so a videophile may just be intrigued by the value and potential. After all, in a year or two who knows what will be available. My 4k video scaler in my AVR immediately comes to mind. Spend as you see fit.

Edit: Whoopsie, forgot to mention that I am not sure the red flash vs white flash is going to be any issue whatsoever with the 3d heaven glasses. I doubt it but who knows? Ack_bk will very soon but I do not foresee any issues.

Looking through the 7531 thread, it does appear you can adjust the iris speed and color/grayscale via the service menu.. Like you said, not easy, but doable.
post #410 of 4744
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

@ack_bk thanks. More on that in a moment but I wanted to check out lumens since he posted those. Now if I am not mistaken they measured 160 Lux behind the glasses on the 9500 which if my calculations are correct means looking at 419 lumens. Now, I decided to check the HD33 review and see that behind the bezel which I presume is glasses, 3D on that unit measured 288 lumens. So if I am correct the 9500 should be quite a bit brighter in 3D than the HD33. Unfortunately the reviews only show the lumens of the 9500 in brightest 3D mode (not the HD33) which they said was 570Lux or 1493 lumens. That appears to be close to the approx 75% loss through the glasses everyone talks about so I am going with those numbers, which BTW are not mine so don't flame me.

This information seems to contradict observations that the 5360 is brighter than the 9500. It seems like the 9500 allows 3D close to their 'torch' setting 1493 lumens (419 through glasses which I believe its the highest I've seen of any 3D projector (maybe not the epson.)) I wonder how colors look in this 3D mode (Kraine can you comment?) Most manufacturers preset their 3D mode with a lower brightness (than max) to at least get close to 6500k and good grey scale. I think we need to be careful in evaluating lumens in 3D from manufacturer to manufacturer because it may not be apples to apples. And within 3D mode the user may be able to bump brightness up from the preset.
post #411 of 4744
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

My new review is online :

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/tests/313...H9500BD-0.html

automatic translation :

http://translate.google.fr/translate...H9500BD-0.html

Kraine

can you please comment on the 3D brightness (with glasses on) of H9500BD vs HD33 ?

according to you, which is a better PJ and why ?

also do you plan to have a review up for Epson 3010, 5010 or 6010 soon ?
post #412 of 4744
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Originally Posted by derek View Post

This information seems to contradict observations that the 5360 is brighter than the 9500. It seems like the 9500 allows 3D close to their 'torch' setting 1493 lumens (419 through glasses which I believe its the highest I've seen of any 3D projector (maybe not the epson.)) I wonder how colors look in this 3D mode (Kraine can you comment?) Most manufacturers preset their 3D mode with a lower brightness (than max) to at least get close to 6500k and good grey scale. I think we need to be careful in evaluating lumens in 3D from manufacturer to manufacturer because it may not be apples to apples. And within 3D mode the user may be able to bump brightness up from the preset.

419 through the glasses would be a lot and while Art did not measure the 9500, he did notice a drop in lumens between 2D brightest mode and 3D mode and thought the lumens were somewhere between brightest and best.

Kraine did rate the 9500 a 5/5 for brightness however, he seems to think it was more than ample on his 86" wide 1.0 gain screen. Which is good news for me. I had the Epson 3010 which was nice and bright, even in 3D on the dynamic setting. I am not expecting the 9500 to be as bright as the 3010 in 3D, but I am hoping it is acceptable. The vast majority of my viewing will be in 2D, but when we do watch 3D movies, games, or shows, I don't want it to be so dim that it is not enjoyable on a 120" 1.2 gain screen.
post #413 of 4744
The acer is brighter than the HD33 in 3D behind the glasses.

Contrast and blacks are better on the H9500BD, 120h mode works also better on the Acer. I prefer the H9500BD.

My next review will be the JVC X70. After it I will take some holidays, and start again with the reviews and the Epson Models on January 2012.
post #414 of 4744
Oups I forgot to tell you that the H9500BD have the better 2D/3D conversion that I have tested for the moment.
post #415 of 4744
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

The acer is brighter than the HD33 in 3D behind the glasses.

Contrast and blacks are better on the H9500BD, 120h mode works also better on the Acer. I prefer the H9500BD.

My next review will be the JVC X70. After it I will take some holidays, and start again with the reviews and the Epson Models on January 2012.

What, you are taking time off!! How dare you!

Thanks for your feedback to these forums Kraine. It is always refreshing when a reviewer will answer more detailed questions. It certainly adds to the forum. I am sure you look forward to the JVC, and I am curious to see how it does in 3D vs the Acer.
post #416 of 4744
The 3D on the H9500BD is much better then the 3D on the X30 or X70. There is absolutly no ghosting on the Acer and you can switch the 120hz mode on.
post #417 of 4744
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

Oups I forgot to tell you that the H9500BD have the better 2D/3D conversion that I have tested for the moment.

Better than what? I thought the H9500BD was the *only* projector with 2D-to-3D conversion? Have you compared the H9500BD's 2D-to-3D conversion to a Samsung Blu-ray player's 2D-to-3D conversion? Thanks.
post #418 of 4744
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Originally Posted by srauly View Post

Better than what? I thought the H9500BD was the *only* projector with 2D-to-3D conversion? Have you compared the H9500BD's 2D-to-3D conversion to a Samsung Blu-ray player's 2D-to-3D conversion? Thanks.

I think he meant better than the HD33. Getting very interested in this projector to replace my Epson 6100. My only concern is the fan noise, might be louder than the Epson. Everything else would be better I think ?

Have 2 weeks off starting next week so need a new toy to play with !
post #419 of 4744
I am thinking of upgrading from Epson 8350. I have a 120" Draper High Contrast Gray screen (gain 0.8). My walls and ceiling are white and gray screen works well. Mostly watch at night. 90% will be 2D (sports and movies) and 10% 3D blu ray. Is Acer bright enough for this screen? Based on what I have read, should be fine for 2D and maybe too dark for 3D.

Probably will have to wait until 5010 prices come down.
post #420 of 4744
Projectorreviews.com posted lag test results of 80-100ms on this projector in 2D. The reviewer also says in his companion review that 3D lag was similar.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/proj...-lag-test.html

I don't want to believe this; I was almost ready to buy this projector, but this is unacceptable for gaming, if true. Can someone else please do a lag test to confirm or deny these results?
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