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post #4321 of 4744
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Originally Posted by joepaiii View Post

I was talking about in the service menu that you also asked about. You probably want to stay away from mucking with it unless you are very comfortable with breaking things.

I have absolutely no issues mucking around these settings. I have already made it 70/10/10.
The only question was does it come in play when you move the "Dynamic Black" out from Advance menu from its "off" setting or is it always there.
Because the moment I set "Dynamic Black" to "Middle", the pumping starts. Hence the question.
For now I have set "Dynamic Black" to "off" to avoid the annoying pumping..
post #4322 of 4744
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Originally Posted by Acerarien View Post

Hello, Could someone tell me how to set up checkerboard on Acer H9500BD for playing Games on PC at 1080p/60Hz please ?
I can't stand 24 Hz to play and 720p is not a good solution... frown.gif
Thanks in advance ! smile.gif

Nobody knows how to do it or at least if it is possible ?
post #4323 of 4744
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Originally Posted by InCali View Post

... Also, look into the new BenQ1070 (on the forum) and be aware that others (Optoma, Acer, etc.) will be offering up new products soon....

Do you have any links, or model numbers for the new projectors coming so i can go and have a look ?
post #4324 of 4744
In answer to InCali's question: I bought my Acer 9500 from NewEgg about two months ago and it had the new firmware installed. I think all of their machines are now shipped with the new ROM.

I am having a problem with my 3D glasses losing sync. I have to push the little button on the right ear piece ten or more times while watching a movie. I have to hold my head very still or the 3D flips off.

Finally I think that I need a real bat cave like Home Theater set up for 3D. My Home Theater has light colored walls and ceiling. During the day it serves as my office/den. I generally don't fire up the projector until at least five.This time of year the sun sets shortly thereafter. I can close the light proof curtains. That arrangement works fine for 2D but for 3D the light bouncing off the ceiling and walls is distracting. That's why I wanted 3D glasses with bigger lenses. I wanted to restrict the visual field to the scrren.

Last night I watched The Avengers from a rented 3D Blu-ray. I put a dark wash cloth on my head to block the light reflected from the ceiling. It helped. The 3D picture for that movie is just stunning but it still needs benefits from light blocking. I got this idea from my Sony 3D helmet. It has a couple little rubber tabs that fit below your eyes. These tabs seal your face from external light from below. The top is already sealed. I think I want something like this for the active DLP-Link 3D glasses also. In my experience a 3D film benefits much more from visual isolation than does a 2D one.

There is a dispute about whether 3D will last or just be a passing fad again. I saw Bwana Devil when it first came out in 1953. I saw Jaws 3D in the next wave of theater 3D in the seventies. And of course I saw Avatar in a first run theater. I like 3D but I think home 3D needs to get better. When you have a good 3D Blu-ray and everything is set up perfectly it is very, very good. But there are so many things that can go wrong. And at least with the ACER it takes some effort to set up. For example, I leave the 3D off (of course) for normal TV viewing. I leavethe 3D processing on Automatic, but Starz 3D is side by side and the projector has to be changed manually. Other Comcast 3D is top and bottom and that has to be manually set too. Then I have to check if the 3D is reversed. All this has to be done again is reverse order to go back to 2D. In my opinion 3D will die out again unless all this can be made simpler and more automatic. Right now it's more suitable for hobbyists like me.

Of course I don't have little kids around the house. I don't watch cartoons. I saw the first Toys but none of the sequels or spin offs. I did see Finding Nemo on a blind date (Oh the horror!) but otherwise I never watch such things. These I'm told are the real beneficiaries of the 3D effect. I wanted 3D for the big, loud, effects drenched action movies that I crave. So maybe my opinions are not relevant.

A final observation. I tried to watch 'Priest' from the cable Starz 3D OnDemand. The picture kept burbling . I got it work smoother by turning off the Accu-motion - or whatever they call the frame interpolation feature. I think the projector just couldn't keep up with the computation demands of all that processing. Also thatparticular movie is quite dark. These very dark films are not completely appropriate for 3D. The 'Avengers' which is a more conventionally light balanced movie, looks richer when it is in 3D. It benefits from the darkness that 3D adds. But already dark movies get too dark. You simply can't see what's going on.

A post final observation. I have a relatively simple set up but it is still too complex for my Logitech Harmony 650. I have more devices than it recognizes and it doesn't support the Acer's 3D functions very well. When I want to watch something in 3D I have to use the original Acer remote control also. This defeats the whole purpose of a universal remote. As I remember the Logitech has three subscreens for the Acer, My Onkyo receiver I think has eight. Logitech doesn't seem to have gotten around to fully supporting the Acer.

I tried last week to solve this by installing some software on my 7" Android tablet. There are many choices. I chose iRule because it seemed to have the best support. However its tutorials are way out of date. They don't work and they never return calls. I may yet hunker down and solve this puzzle but I'm so mad after paying them $50 that I can't concentrate. If I do get this to work with the Acer I will post how I did it. I want a single button (no menus) macro that takes you into 3D and out again. iRule looks like it has that kind of power. But if anyone out there has already had experience with another Android product that gives you Universal Remote functionality, please tell me.
Edited by PLB - 11/24/12 at 9:36am
post #4325 of 4744
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Originally Posted by TLJester View Post

Do you have any links, or model numbers for the new projectors coming so i can go and have a look ?

The BenQ has a thread on the forum. I don't know for sure what other mfrs are going to release, but I don't know of any released just yet for the low cost 3D market.
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Hi everyone. After some break I'd like to share with you some of my experience /bad I'm afraid/ with my H9500BD after the new FW. I'm using for 2D my other Acer H7531D which is one small, great vivid colors and bright projector and I love it !
However I notice that after the FW upgrade , the brightness was significantly cut down and compared to H7531D the difference is more than twice . when I browsed some old screen shoots I noticed that the settings and numbers under "analog settings" and "DA settings" has been changed and maybe that's the reason.
Unfortunately I couldn't find a way to change any of numbers under "analog setting" so I'd appreciate any help. I'm running always on Full power mode , no Dynamic black with Brilliant color ON , but sill the brightness is not acceptable , especially for 3D frown.gif
Someone in Taiwan screw this nice projector with sloppy FW frown.gif

PLEASE respond if you have the same numbers under "Analog settings" after the FW update. I'm very unhappy of the colors and brightness at all, especially compared to my other projector.
THANKS in advance !
post #4327 of 4744
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Originally Posted by Vasim Pathan View Post

so finally got my eecolor CC and darblet inline with the acer, all i can say is WOW! the picture is awesome. darblet does wonders for the already excellent picture. highly recommended.

So I got a chance to hook up the darblet and I see a definite upside. I had it set to 80 and you can definitely see an increase in the sharpness of the picture. I could be imagining it, but the picture looks just a shade brighter too. Here's what I see as a slight downside.....when there is horizontal motion (maybe vertical motion too, but that's doesn't happen as often), especially when the motion is in focus, there is a digital effect. I don't know how to describe it other than to say there are these blurry squares that are about twice as wide as they are high that make up the picture. I suspect that's because the darblet can't process the signal quickly enough when there is motion or there aren't enough frames that are similar enough to make it work right or something like that. The reason the "squares" are about twice as wide as they are high is due to the 1920 by 1080 (H to V) resolution????

Anyway, I'm keeping it as I like the increase in sharpness for most of my viewing. If I run into problems, I can just turn it off.

Any other detailed opinions or explanations?
post #4328 of 4744
Not an opinion or an explanation, but I have noticed many individuals have expressed a preference in setting their darblet around 50. I think mine is between 50 and 55, and it seems to work well there. Above 60 seems to cause some "artefacting".
post #4329 of 4744
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Originally Posted by InCali View Post

Here's what I see as a slight downside.....when there is horizontal motion (maybe vertical motion too, but that's doesn't happen as often), especially when the motion is in focus, there is a digital effect. I don't know how to describe it other than to say there are these blurry squares that are about twice as wide as they are high that make up the picture. I suspect that's because the darblet can't process the signal quickly enough when there is motion or there aren't enough frames that are similar enough to make it work right or something like that.
Any other detailed opinions or explanations?
Just to confirm..did you get the new darblet (latest firmware loaded version)?
post #4330 of 4744
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Originally Posted by hungary View Post

Just to confirm..did you get the new darblet (latest firmware loaded version)?

Well color me dumber than a bag of hammers biggrin.gif I didn't even know there was a firmware update, but, after a few glasses of wine, I do seem to recall reading something along those lines (it's called state dependent learning). I'll tone down the darblet and see what's up. What's the "latest" firmware update?
post #4331 of 4744
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Originally Posted by Raul GS View Post

Not an opinion or an explanation, but I have noticed many individuals have expressed a preference in setting their darblet around 50. I think mine is between 50 and 55, and it seems to work well there. Above 60 seems to cause some "artefacting".

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Originally Posted by hungary View Post

Just to confirm..did you get the new darblet (latest firmware loaded version)?

Thanks to you both. I've been playing around with the settings from 50-80. How well this little darblet works is less important to me than how it works and why I'm seeing what I'm seeing at various settings.

The info I have is:

SW ver 2.8.2214, FW ver 1.3.21

so it looks like I'm good on the SW/FW angle.

I'll poke around. There is an undeniable improvement in the sharpness of the image. The motion/blurring issue I noticed is probably some sort of trade off over the range of the settings. If this technology really works well, I would try to sell it to the PJ manufacturers directly rather than produce a little external gizmo.

Ahhhhh, but I ramble. It's almost 1am my time and it's been a very long day.
post #4332 of 4744
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Originally Posted by Acerarien View Post

Hello, Could someone tell me how to set up checkerboard on Acer H9500BD for playing Games on PC at 1080p/60Hz please ?
I can't stand 24 Hz to play and 720p is not a good solution... frown.gif
Thanks in advance ! smile.gif
Nobody knows how to do it or at least if it is possible ?

I found it in the nvidia's driver after I installed a new beta driver and 3DTV Play.
The problem is that even with HDMI Checkerboard activated in the driver, I can see that it works at 1080p/60Hz or 720p/120Hz but I see exactly the same sing behind or without the activated galsses...! Glasses are working but it's look like every frame include right and left pictures at the same time or glasses are working two times to slow...confused.gif
I tested it with HDMI and DVI, at PC's 1080p/60Hz and HD's 1080p/24Hz, it's the same.

Somebody help please !

Thanks !
post #4333 of 4744
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Originally Posted by kfor View Post





Hi everyone. After some break I'd like to share with you some of my experience /bad I'm afraid/ with my H9500BD after the new FW. I'm using for 2D my other Acer H7531D which is one small, great vivid colors and bright projector and I love it !
However I notice that after the FW upgrade , the brightness was significantly cut down and compared to H7531D the difference is more than twice . when I browsed some old screen shoots I noticed that the settings and numbers under "analog settings" and "DA settings" has been changed and maybe that's the reason.
Unfortunately I couldn't find a way to change any of numbers under "analog setting" so I'd appreciate any help. I'm running always on Full power mode , no Dynamic black with Brilliant color ON , but sill the brightness is not acceptable , especially for 3D frown.gif
Someone in Taiwan screw this nice projector with sloppy FW frown.gif
PLEASE respond if you have the same numbers under "Analog settings" after the FW update. I'm very unhappy of the colors and brightness at all, especially compared to my other projector.
THANKS in advance !

My projector has the second set of Analog settings (511 and auto). I have eco mode on and brilliant color off. I'm not, however, having any brightness issues whatsoever. I don't use htpc and have my projector connected directly to the source (blu ray and cable box) so maybe that's the issue? Try it from another source would be my advice if it's too dim. The other projector might just be brighter and you're used to it or maybe they boogered something up during the update??? As I understand it, your projector seemed dimmer after you got it back from being updated??? I noticed nothing of that sort.
post #4334 of 4744
Last night I compared the 3D of my 32" flat screen Vizio E3D320VX with my Acer H9500BD. The flat screen uses passive glasses and the Acer uses active shutter glasses. I compared them using a Blu-ray of 'The Avengers'.

The first thing I noticed was how easy it was to use the flat screen. I just put on the light weight circular polarized glasses and fired up the disk. The image was deep, rich and stable. But of course it was rather small. A minor problem was that I was running my full 5.1 sound system rather than the TV's speakers. The big sound was a little too big for the small picture. But otherwise it was a very pleasant way to watch this kind of big effects driven movie.

When I switched to the projector I had to press a lot more buttons. I think I needed three separate remotes one of which is a so called universal remote. So start up was more bothersome. The picture was just as good but twelve times larger. In fact I think its too large. My screen is eight feet wide and I sit about ten feet away. This works great for 2D but I seemed to find that that distance was too little for 3D. I liked it better when I moved all the way against the back wall. When I was a little kid I always sat in first row. As I got older I moved back to about the middle. If I'm right about this effect that means that for a 3D movie I should sit maybe another five rows back. Too soon yet to be certain.

I'll experiment some more but for now I'm reporting that in terms of picture quality I don't see any difference between passive and active. I realize that to have a passive 3D projector you need a special screen so we're unlikely to see many of those soon.

I'm expecting to have some friends over next week. I'll have to lay out well over a hundred dollars to buy two pair of active glasses. I had been hoping that the cheap Playstation glasses would work. But no luck. I'll probably get Optomas. I already have three or four pair of the cheap passive glasses. Every time you see a 3D movie in a theater you get another pair for free.

I see that a large (55") 3D flat screen from LG costs about the same (c$1,500) as the Acer but of course it has a viewing area only one fourth the size. That's a bit too small for me. I would like to have an even bigger screen for 2D.

I think tonight I'll try adjusting the screen size down.for 3D. If nothing else that should make the image brighter. The calculator over at Projector Central suggests that if I shrink the image width by 20% I should get a 40% increase in brightness.
post #4335 of 4744
hi guy,

just install complete my first projector with da lite 2.4 high power screen and so currently issue i have is the brightness is too bright on my hp screen and i am currently using timduru's settings, so how do i need to properly adjust the acer projector brightness down without effecting the black?

Thanks
post #4336 of 4744
I have had a sudden insight as to why my glasses wouldn't hold sync the other night. It might have been that I was sitting off axis. I have a Da-lite Hi-Power which is a retroflective screen. It bounces the light back along the same path it came in on. So I sit near the projector. Of course the only way it can create a brighter picture is to restrict the off axis light. I'm thinking that the IR signal off axis is also restricted. That could be why two nights ago it wouldn't stay synced but when I sat in my normal spot it was stable. I'm assuming that the Hi-Power is also retroflective for IR.
post #4337 of 4744
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Originally Posted by PLB View Post

When I was a little kid I always sat in first row. As I got older I moved back to about the middle. If I'm right about this effect that means that for a 3D movie I should sit maybe another five rows back. .

That only means that you have gone much older now... wink.gif
post #4338 of 4744
hi PLB,

u have the same da lite high power screen as mine so how your setting for 2d movie as mine is too bright when viewing 2d blu ray movie.

Thanks
post #4339 of 4744
is it possible to check the projector temperature?If yes how do i check it?

Thanks
post #4340 of 4744
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Originally Posted by InCali View Post

The info I have is:
SW ver 2.8.2214, FW ver 1.3.21
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Then yes.. you have the latest firmware version (as of a month ago)
post #4341 of 4744
Well, I just ordered this projector from Newegg, here's to hoping it has the upgraded firmware and I can't wait to experience all this projector has to offer. I'm upgrading from a Sharp DT-510, which has been a nice little projector but I'm ready for 1080p and 3D. Now I have to sell my Sharp... lol. Hopefully I can get some good change for it since it has low hours on the bulb.
post #4342 of 4744
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Originally Posted by InCali View Post

My projector has the second set of Analog settings (511 and auto). I have eco mode on and brilliant color off. I'm not, however, having any brightness issues whatsoever. I don't use htpc and have my projector connected directly to the source (blu ray and cable box) so maybe that's the issue? Try it from another source would be my advice if it's too dim. The other projector might just be brighter and you're used to it or maybe they boogered something up during the update??? As I understand it, your projector seemed dimmer after you got it back from being updated??? I noticed nothing of that sort.

Thank you so much inCali for the advice ! I'll try these options.
post #4343 of 4744
I watched The Avengers again last night in 3D. This time I reduced the projected sceen size about eight inches per side. I think that helped. But maybe I'm just just getting super familiar with this particuar movie. It's like when I flunked French II (the second semester of college French). I took it again and flunked it again. The third time I took it I got a B. But I had just memorized that particular book. I flunked the third semester of French too when I had to use a new book I hadn't memorized.

The slightly smaller screen is a bit brighter and it seems to fit in my visual field better. In any case it seemed to be a little easier to watch. I don't trust my first impressions so I'll experiment some more. I haven't cranked up my 3D helmet yet and I have finally had to send The Avengers back to the 3D Blu-ray rental people. So I'll have more experiments with even more variables.

I will continue to follow the Darblet discussion with interest. I need more gadgets.
post #4344 of 4744
Just had my Acer shut down on me. It was only on for five minutes and heat wasn't an issue. This happened once or twice before but it has been many months since my last shutdown. I can't see my LEDs since the projector is inverted on a shelf. Pulled the power plug and fired it back up.

Since I am soon down to the end of my factory warranty I am wondering if anyone had this issue successfully debugged and fixed by acer.
post #4345 of 4744
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Originally Posted by joepaiii View Post

Just had my Acer shut down on me. It was only on for five minutes and heat wasn't an issue. This happened once or twice before but it has been many months since my last shutdown. I can't see my LEDs since the projector is inverted on a shelf. Pulled the power plug and fired it back up.
Since I am soon down to the end of my factory warranty I am wondering if anyone had this issue successfully debugged and fixed by acer.

I had mine shut down once since the firmware update, but was able to see the LEDs. I don't remember the details about the problem, but think it might have been heat related (though that didn't make sense given the ambient temperature and the fact that it hasn't happened since). Can you get a small mirror and check out he LEDs if it happens again?
post #4346 of 4744
This unit is on my short list to replace my aging Panasonic PT AX 100u but I have no desire to use 3D. Does the Acer have a good enough 2D picture to justify its cost? My setup (low ceiling) pretty much requires a lense shift and this unit has one, I could probably make an Optoma HD23 or HD20 work too as they have a fairly mild throw angle. I'm using in a light controlled room in the basement on a 92" DaLite pure white screen with no gain. Any thoughts from those on this thread? Thanks...
post #4347 of 4744
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Originally Posted by lpolarin View Post

This unit is on my short list to replace my aging Panasonic PT AX 100u but I have no desire to use 3D. Does the Acer have a good enough 2D picture to justify its cost? My setup (low ceiling) pretty much requires a lense shift and this unit has one, I could probably make an Optoma HD23 or HD20 work too as they have a fairly mild throw angle. I'm using in a light controlled room in the basement on a 92" DaLite pure white screen with no gain. Any thoughts from those on this thread? Thanks...

If you aren't interested in 3d, the BenQ 1070 (reviewed on the forum and mentioned on this thread) might fit the bill. According to Kraine, it wasn't that great on 3d, is a little bit noisy, but has a really nice 2d picture, longer bulb life, uses a newer TI chip (better contrast and blacks??), has a vertical only shift, and should be released soon in the US for under $1000. It's new so we don't know what the bugs are (if any).

Just a thought......
post #4348 of 4744
Thanks InCali I was actually just reading about the BenQ, hope there's some info about it soon.
post #4349 of 4744
My Acer has shut down twice. I just unplug it for a few seconds and it starts right up. I assumed that it was heat. Tnat's probably wrong.
post #4350 of 4744
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Originally Posted by lpolarin View Post

Thanks InCali I was actually just reading about the BenQ, hope there's some info about it soon.

Try this:

http://translate.google.fr/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiovideohd.fr%2Ftests%2F344-Benq-W1070-0.html

There seems to be some dispute as to whether it is really a 6X color wheel. Some are saying it's really 3X. If you're RBE sensitive, that might influence what you purchase. As he told me "The 2D is good, but they have to work on the 3D". That doesn't seem to be a problem for you.
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