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post #4621 of 4744
Dear all,
Anyone has any idea how i can order a spare lamp for this projector as i cannot find it from their online store and the tech support has no clue also, except to suggest physically bringing it in for repair replacement..

Many thanks!
post #4622 of 4744
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Originally Posted by engkiat View Post

Dear all,
Anyone has any idea how i can order a spare lamp for this projector as i cannot find it from their online store and the tech support has no clue also, except to suggest physically bringing it in for repair replacement..

Many thanks!

http://www.purelandsupply.com/h9500bd-bulb-acer-projector-lamp.html

However, it seems to be only the bulb, so you will need to reuse the old housing.
post #4623 of 4744
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post


http://www.purelandsupply.com/h9500bd-bulb-acer-projector-lamp.html

However, it seems to be only the bulb, so you will need to reuse the old housing.


Here's one with housing

 

http://www.projectorlampsource.com/acer_h9500_lamp.html

 

You may want to check projectorcentral.com for other locations.

post #4624 of 4744
Anyone care to share what settings they are using with this PJ? Or, tell me where in this thread this is discussed? I've looked through a good chunk of the thread, but only have found a few mentions of settings?
post #4625 of 4744
Just to add, on the acer PJs I've had with the brilliant color/ RGBCMY color wheel, I have had the BC "on" with color temp at "0" with the screen color selection on Gray to get a 6500k white level. This was with a N8.5 screen. I've toggled between degamma setting at 3 and 1.
post #4626 of 4744
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Originally Posted by CaptJosh View Post

Anyone care to share what settings they are using with this PJ? Or, tell me where in this thread this is discussed? I've looked through a good chunk of the thread, but only have found a few mentions of settings?

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Originally Posted by CaptJosh View Post

Just to add, on the acer PJs I've had with the brilliant color/ RGBCMY color wheel, I have had the BC "on" with color temp at "0" with the screen color selection on Gray to get a 6500k white level. This was with a N8.5 screen. I've toggled between degamma setting at 3 and 1.

See post #4163 from timduru. I got the WoW calibration disk and didn't have to touch the settings. Any details you can provide in addition will be appreciated. I've recently noticed a dimmer picture and am sure this is an "older" lamp issue.

Years from now, we'll all be asking ourselves how we could have possibly put up with this primitive technology. Went to see "Oblivion" in IMAX ("Real" not mini or lie MAX) and will do the same for the other cool summer releases. Couldn't help but think "$#!t, I wish I had one of those screens in my house."
post #4627 of 4744
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Originally Posted by aaranddeeman View Post


Here's one with housing

http://www.projectorlampsource.com/acer_h9500_lamp.html

You may want to check projectorcentral.com for other locations.

Acer finally gave me a link to their store to buy the bulb at $251.05 - any input if this is a fair price to pay for spare lamp?

Thanks!
post #4628 of 4744
Can you post the link to the official bulb Acer gave you?
post #4629 of 4744
Thank you for pointing out the post number. Saved me much time. Interesting that this PJ has three controls for each color in the management section. I'm going to try my acers at degamma 0 and give that a try
post #4630 of 4744
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Originally Posted by engkiat View Post

Acer finally gave me a link to their store to buy the bulb at $251.05 - any input if this is a fair price to pay for spare lamp?

Thanks!

Seems a reasonable price to me. I understand that it's a lamp and housing?
post #4631 of 4744
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post

Seems a reasonable price to me. I understand that it's a lamp and housing?

I searched around about 6 months ago and $250 seemed to be about the going price, but I don't think they were OEM lamps. Not sure though. What I do know is I didn't see anything that was substantially lower in price than this.
post #4632 of 4744
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Originally Posted by CaptJosh View Post

Just to add, on the acer PJs I've had with the brilliant color/ RGBCMY color wheel, I have had the BC "on" with color temp at "0" with the screen color selection on Gray to get a 6500k white level. This was with a N8.5 screen. I've toggled between degamma setting at 3 and 1.

Here are the color wheel specs for the ACer 9500. From my calcs, it is a 4x color wheel (US/Canada/etc) and 6x (Euro/Asia/etc). Please excuse the gross over generalizations with regard to countries and so forth.

6 segments
7200 rpm (2X)
9000 rpm @3X PAL 50Hz
Segment Angle: R81Y41G84C31W52B71

RYGCWB are Red, Yellow Green, Cyan, White, and Blue so I don't believe there is a Magenta in the color wheel.

The numbers after the designation are the segment angles and add up to 360.

Anyway, this info is a bit arcane, but thought some might want to know. In any case, the non-US/Canada/etc. model would appear to favor those who are sensitive to the rainbow effect.
post #4633 of 4744
Dear all,
I just found out the link leads to a form that only ask for our personal information below - we need to setup a case ID with them before we submit the below form else they will not know what to do with our information - pls fyi.
https://support.gateway.com/support/contact/secure_cc.aspx?SRN=2600369U&SerialNum=EYJDG01008134001595901
post #4634 of 4744
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Originally Posted by InCali View Post

If you look around, you can probably find a review I did comparing the Dimensional Optics glasses to the Acers. Bottom line, the DOs have several advantages, but the big one {picture quality) led me to choose the Acer's and give the DOs for those who don't really care that much about PQ. The Acer's have a decidedly bluish tint which I much, much prefer. You might not notice the difference if you didn't use the Acer's first. Bottom line is that I'd cough up a few extra bucks for the Optoma 101s (don't fold up, but reportedly are comparable to the Acer's with regard to picture quality). They run about $70 a pop.

Try to buy an extended warranty. I'm pretty sure you can do that (look at my post earlier on this page).

PS Don't buy the glasses I wrote about in my previous post eek.gif

I bought 2 @ Optoma 101s and have the original Acer. I love all three of them. I would like one or two more pairs as backups or when I have more people over. They won't be used more than a few times a year so I was hoping to get some cheapo glasses but obviously don't want to ruin the experience either.

Any ideas on cheap glasses that are at least functional?
post #4635 of 4744
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Originally Posted by InCali View Post

Here are the color wheel specs for the ACer 9500. From my calcs, it is a 4x color wheel (US/Canada/etc) and 6x (Euro/Asia/etc). Please excuse the gross over generalizations with regard to countries and so forth.

6 segments
7200 rpm (2X)
9000 rpm @3X PAL 50Hz
Segment Angle: R81Y41G84C31W52B71

RYGCWB are Red, Yellow Green, Cyan, White, and Blue so I don't believe there is a Magenta in the color wheel.

The numbers after the designation are the segment angles and add up to 360.

Anyway, this info is a bit arcane, but thought some might want to know. In any case, the non-US/Canada/etc. model would appear to favor those who are sensitive to the rainbow effect.

I was thinking about my post earlier and it occurs to me that my 4x and 6x designations might be somewhat specious. The reason the 50Hz color wheel is technically 6x is because the frames per second is 25 as opposed to 30 in the US (9000 rpm/60 = 150rps, 150rps/25fps = 6 revolutions per frame as opposed to 7200 rpm/60 = 120rps, 120rps/30fps = 4 revolutions per frame). The problem is that at 25 fps each frame is being shown about 20% longer than would a frame at 30fps. This actually should increase the rainbow effect if the wheels were rotating at the same speed. Of course they aren't and, in fact, the 50Hz model is rotating 25% faster than the US model. So, it would appear that the change rate of the 50Hz model is 20% faster than the US model (25% faster wheel speed less 20% of 25%).

In other words:

9000 rpm/60 = 150rps, 150rps/25fps = 6x
if 30fps, 9000 rpm/60 = 150rps, 150rps/30fps = 5x

7200rpm/60 = 120rps, 120rsp/30fps = 4x
if 25fps, 7200rpm/60 = 120rps, 120rsp/25fps = 4.8x

I'm not 100% sure of the above, but it makes some sense to me. The 50Hz model appears to have an advantage with regard to avoiding RBE, but not as much as you might think on the surface. In still other words, it appears to me that fps AND rpm are the keys and you need to correct for both of them to determine which projector will work better for those who are sensitive to the RBE. Color wheel speed doesn't seem to tell the entire story nor does just the rpm if you are dealing with different frame rates.

Other thoughts? Any experts out there who can tell me if my logic is sound?

Edit: After thinking all of that through, I wonder if the main factor isn't "just" the color wheel rpms as that's what is changing whether or not the frame does???
Edited by InCali - 4/30/13 at 12:02pm
post #4636 of 4744
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Originally Posted by engkiat View Post

Dear all,
Anyone has any idea how i can order a spare lamp for this projector as i cannot find it from their online store and the tech support has no clue also, except to suggest physically bringing it in for repair replacement..

Many thanks!

I'm looking into this with Acer and will get back shortly.

(Edit 5/2) - My Acer contact can't find the lamp on the storefront and is looking for the best place to buy them (from Acer). He'll get back with the details and cost.

Iron Man 3 IMAX 3D tomorrow. Got tickets.
Edited by InCali - 5/2/13 at 7:18am
post #4637 of 4744
So I'm considering this projector, watched the prices fall, read about the HDMI blurring issues and the fix via sending the unit in. Most places don't sell this projector anymore since it's been discontinued. What alternative comparable new or refurbished projector should I consider? I currently have an Optoma HD20 and am tired of it's crappy contrast ratio. Thanks!
post #4638 of 4744
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Originally Posted by freespace303 View Post

So I'm considering this projector, watched the prices fall, read about the HDMI blurring issues and the fix via sending the unit in. Most places don't sell this projector anymore since it's been discontinued. What alternative comparable new or refurbished projector should I consider? I currently have an Optoma HD20 and am tired of it's crappy contrast ratio. Thanks!

Can't really comment much without knowing your budget. If you are looking for decent contrast I would go to the Benq W7000 which is close to the Acer.
post #4639 of 4744
I would look at the Sharp xvz-30000, it is easily the best deal going right now. Otherwise, possibly a Mits hc5, but 3D won't be great on the Mits since that last one is an LCOS... The Sharp will have great 3D, fully motorized controls, and a 5x color wheel, the only thing it doesn't have is a very good CMS or perfect color.

I haven't visited this thread for a while, BOO :P
post #4640 of 4744
Thanks for the suggestions everybody. I don't care about 3d too much, but I just want outstanding contrast ratio, and inky blacks (where the colors will just pop out at me), for under 2 grand if possible. My theater is totally light controlled and I have a matte white 120" screen. (pictures in my profile)

What are your thoughts on Epson projectors? Any models they make that would fall in line with what I desire?
post #4641 of 4744
The Mits will kill these DLP's on black levels as well, the black levels are going to be close to the JVC.

I would go with the Mits HC5, a Sharp xvz-30000, or a B-Stock / Used JVC Rs-40 / RS-45 / RS-46 (if you find one). The JVC RS-40 or RS-45 can sometimes be had for under $2k, even new occasionally. You won't beat a JVC for inky blacks, but the Sharp probably has the highest contrast of any DLP under $3000, if you consider how good its IRIS works. Even a B-Stock JVC HD-250 would easily kill any of these DLP's on black levels, but those are probably sold out (but maybe not, not sure).

Check the JVC Pro-Store on Ebay as well, and call AVS of course.

Otherwise, if you want do the Epson, visualapex.com has some specials on a 5010.
post #4642 of 4744
I 2nd the Sharp XV-Z30000 recommendation. I have the 9500 and I just picked up the 30K. The 30K is much better IMO. The 9500 is not bad, however to get the best blacks out of it you have to use the Iris which causes a lot of pumping. So I never use the Iris on the 9500. Not using it makes the blacks not even close to the 30K. The 30K's Iris is virtually undetectable. It also has several video choices as well as two user memories. Another bonus, as was mentioned, is power zoom, focus as well as power lens shift. I paid 1500 for the 9500 and 1800 for the Sharp. Of course the 9500 can be had for around 1000 and you have to watch for deals on the 30K to get it for 1800. To me though, obviously since I bought one, the 30K is worth the extra 800. I'll be selling the 9500.
post #4643 of 4744
^^
How is 3D with the 30k? Where did you get yours for $1800? I be been out of pj world for more than a decade and am shopping for one. Been reading about the upcoming BenqW1400 (release in Sept 2013) and not sure if it will worth the wait. Thanks.
Edited by Cowboys - 5/7/13 at 10:18pm
post #4644 of 4744
It is a DLP, so it will be pretty much perfect.
post #4645 of 4744
Which would provide me with the best value? Best actual contrast ratio per dollar? Thanks again for all the input!

Prices currently... (amazon - used)

JVC HD250 - around $1200

Sharp 30k - around $2k

9500bd - around $1100

epson 5010 - around $2k

(JVC RS line seems over 2k = too expensive)
Edited by freespace303 - 5/8/13 at 1:37am
post #4646 of 4744
The Mitsubishi hc5 provides the overall best contrast and value, and you can get them new for under $2,000.
The HD250 in that list provides the best sub-$1500 value, but the Mits hc5 is a better projector than the HD-250.

The JVC line is over 2k at first glance, but the JVC Pro-Store (JVC sells some B-Stocks directly on Ebay) or AVS (this forum sponsor) sometimes gets B-Stock Rs40's or RS45's for just under $2000.
To find out about what B-Stocks are available at any given moment, you must give AVS an email or a call (Mike@avscience.com).
post #4647 of 4744
Sweet, so I'm just going to assume that any of these projectors will just blow my HD20 out of the water, right?

JVC RS40 vs RS45 vs HC5 vs 30k - how do they compare? quick pros an cons?

Are they worth spending the extra money over the HD-250 in your opinion?

Thanks again. (sorry if i'm hijacking this thread, don't mean to. I'm just getting great quick responses here)
post #4648 of 4744
HC5 uses Sony panels, some will say clearer motion.
HC 5 has been measured with conflicting measurements, some have measured it 20,000:1 vs. the JVC Rs40/45 at 30,000:1 contrast (which on paper that might look like a lot, but in reality it is a BARELY visible difference, and I mean barely).
The HC5 has a dynamic IRIS, but the IRIS is a bit slow (though it is not very visible, which is a BIG plus).

Keep in mind these DLP's and LCD projectors which publish contrast ratios do so invalidly, and their contrast is not as high as the JVC or the Mits, even if the marketing literature of the DLP/LCD units say otherwise.

The sharpness between the HC 5 and the JVC's are almost identical. The 3D performance will be similar, as neither one is great at 3D, the Mits probably edges out the JVC in 3D slightly (but not sure). The JVC is brighter at first, but the Mits lamps probably last longer, so in the long-run I'd say they are about equal in brightness (though MIts lamps might be more reliable, hard to say, but I'll bet they are if I had to guess).

These projectors are worth the extra money over the HD-250, as some HD-250's can develop the pink stripe problem (a small pink line reflecting from the optics due to some type of part gluing / heat issue).
That said, if you get a 2-year warranty on an HD-250, it's still a good deal, and that pink stripe issue for most people is not too hard to work-around even if you see it, you just slightly zoom out the image and let the screen border take it (and then it becomes pretty much invisible). So though a bit of a downer, the pink stripe issue is not a deal-breaker if you get a warranty. I probably would NOT buy a used HD-250. I would consider a USED RS-40 or RS-45, but only if you add some type of warranty (Square Trade warranty can be purchased within 30 days).

I have not seen the pink stripe issue appear on the RS-40 or later JVC projectors that I recall.
Back to the Sharp xvz-30000, it is also worth looking at, but if you are really after the best blacks, you cannot beat the Mits hc 5 or JVC projectors.

Personally, I think the Mits or JVC is the best bet for you, and the Mits sounds like a slightly better fit than the JVC in your case (but either one will do).
post #4649 of 4744
Like coderguy said 3D is perfect on the 30K, but as far as ghosting the 9500 is just as good, perfect. The 30K came with 2 pairs of IR 3D glasses. It doesn't do dlp link which I believe is a big plus since it gives a nicer 3D image as far as contrast and black level goes.

I got mine from Woot! You have to watch for the deals. However even at 2200 or 2300 it's still worth it to me.

I haven't seen the Mits or the JVC so I can't comment on those but if you are interested in 3D at all I would only be looking at DLP.
post #4650 of 4744
I wasn't interested in 3D either but now that I have it I am thrilled I lucked into getting it. Home 3D is far better than theater 3D IMO.
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