Originally Posted by Bigus
The appeal is when he infers no one else is qualified to discuss high blood pressure because they arent a doctor.
Once more, he is saying that because people not schooled in the medical science, are challenging his knowledge of it -- precisely what you are trying to do with me by saying what I have shared are opinions or claims. There is no appeal to authority in saying that is the ABC of the business and you don't get to challenge him on that lightly.
"Science" encompasses much more than engineering, and you certainly don't need an engineering background to understand the scientific method and be a critical thinker, nor does such a background guarantee that you will. But since I have one, am I still allowed to play?
I am not concerned with what science encompasses. If we are discussing audio, and your engineering degree, or work experience is not in audio, then you can't readily challenge people and claim that what they say is opinion, BS, or whatever other terms you feel like using to land on top.
When the topic of astronomy was introduced, I quickly said I know nothing about it. I didn't try to say, "well, I am an engineer so maybe I know something about it."
But sure, you absolutely can be a critical thinker. You absolutely can ask questions. You absolutely can learn. You absolutely can have an argument.
What you can't do is go so far as to convince yourself that your knowledge base that is created purely as reading forums and having an audio system or two at home gives you authoritative knowledge against people who may have designed the equipment you use.
Ok, so you've said you don't believe in absurd power cord claims. You've also previously claimed to be an objectivist. Yet you've consistently poo poopedin this and many other threads the very valid concerns hobbyists have about wild and unsubstantiated claims. Why?
I have told you why. And JN put it more brilliantly. Your explanations of why you believe in what you believe is wrong. I don't care if your conclusion is correct. You can't put out false data. Jinjuku waves around his blind test as proof that burn in doesn't work. I agree burn in has no merit. But that doesn't mean I can't comment on how his test is sloppy ten different ways.
Somehow you think your "concerns" here are more important than mine. Contrary to your assumptions, no one is saved by your rants against these things. But they can learn something from proper explanation of science and objective testing of the same.
Further, your militant approach to this topic turns people off and make the very people you want to "save" to run away. I don't want them to run away. I want to have a discussion with them. You know, the critical thinking type
If your reasoning is wrong for what you believe in, then you are asking me why you can't bully people into believing anyway. Well, I am not one that encourages bullying.
Do you think that until every possible extraordinary circumstance under which it is proposed cabling might potentially make a difference is disproven that we should refrain from doubting the body of absurd claims as a group?
You can doubt it. You can say you doubt it. Just don't try to explain or "prove it" if you don't have the full vocabulary lest you want one of us to jump in to correct even though we might agree with the conclusion.
Take it from square one, the first post in this thread. An innocent request for advice. Advice given, don't waste your money on absurd unsubstantiated claims.
Let's take it from square one. Innocent question was asked. You say "advice given." Is this how you give advice?
Originally Posted by Gizmologist
They do absolutely NOTHING, zero, nada, etc that the stock power cord does, audiophile BS not withstanding.
The ONLY benefit is expanding the wallets of those shysters who make and sell them. That's all. Same thing with monster, etc speaker and interconnect cables.
Guns come out blazing. Megaphone is pulled out and the shouting starts. Why? The militant attitude here was uncalled for. This is why I say these things are not about being helpful. It is about a personal fight going on from thread to thread to stroke one's male hormones. You keep trying to rationalize it and then wonder why I don't take your posts seriously.
Do you take issue with layman saying the claims of cable makers and believers are absurd and unsubstantiated?
Yes I do because they are not aware of whether substantiation has occurred or not. They just assume it has. Where is the wide scale tests of burn in for all manner of audiophile cables that I can read about? They don't exist, do they? Did you see how I expressed my opinion of it? Did I say it like you did with use of the words such as absurd? Nope. I just said I don't believe it. I did not use capital letters. I did not shout. I gently said I can't believe for it to be true. Why is it to so hard for you to express your opinion that constructively?
Do you really take issue with passionate hobbyists trying to inform entrants into the hobby about the nature of the boutique industry and the very real probability of wasting money?
Yes, I take serious issue. Because they are not out to do good. They are out too satisfy their urge to look like an authority. Why else do they shout before anyone has raised their voice? I have no use to satisfy that urge. This is the AVS forum. Not AV Male Hormones forum
. There is so much emotion in Giz's response I can't even read past it. No one would need to be "advised" would do either. He has his sword out ready to fight. Why? You have your sword out to fight. Why? Jinkuku has his sword out to fight. Why?
You say my "past posts" indicate people should not listen to my explanation of human behavior. So how about you explaining the appropriateness of Giz's response and your complete twisting it into innocent advice? Are you being a critical thinker? Or just a cheerleader of bad behavior?