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Does anyone think we will get our JVC'S in november

post #1 of 77
10/29/11 at 2:53pm
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I hope we don't have another last year
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post #2 of 77
10/29/11 at 3:31pm
no
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post #3 of 77
10/29/11 at 4:18pm
No way
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post #4 of 77
10/29/11 at 4:35pm
I got my JVC already this month. RS15 that is.
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post #5 of 77
10/29/11 at 4:48pm
No way Jose. If you get it this year then you are doing good.
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post #6 of 77
10/29/11 at 9:14pm
If memory serves, units were available last year by late Nov, early Dec., it's just that AVS didn't get very many as most of the initial inventory was sucked up by another distributor.

I didn't order my 45 from AVS this year and expect mine to arrive by mid to late Nov.
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post #7 of 77
10/29/11 at 9:37pm
AVS is not a distributor. It is a reseller. Last year, AVAD, JVC's largest distributor of JVC's Pro division projectors, the RS series, got the entire first shipment of 100, if I remember correctly,for its 23 distribution centers who, in turn, distribute it to resellers. Out of those resellers buying from AVAD, only a few got any from AVAD's initial shipment and even then those few resellers only got a few each. AVS has the luxury of buying direct from JVC Pro and from several of its distributors as well and we are JVC Pros largest reseller. Consumers can not buy from a distributor, only JVC authorized resellers can. That's the way it works. Nothing secret. Hopes this helps.
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post #8 of 77
10/31/11 at 7:46am
I'm guessing limited release in the beginning of December. Hopefully I will be in the 1st group since I pre-ordered before these projectors even had known model numbers.
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post #9 of 77
10/31/11 at 5:39pm
Mark,
It sounds like most units are grabbed by friends and employees of some of those resellers and AVAD.
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post #10 of 77
10/31/11 at 10:43pm
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

AVS is not a distributor. It is a reseller. Last year, AVAD, JVC's largest distributor of JVC's Pro division projectors, the RS series, got the entire first shipment of 100, if I remember correctly,for its 23 distribution centers who, in turn, distribute it to resellers. Out of those resellers buying from AVAD, only a few got any from AVAD's initial shipment and even then those few resellers only got a few each. AVS has the luxury of buying direct from JVC Pro and from several of its distributors as well and we are JVC Pros largest reseller. Consumers can not buy from a distributor, only JVC authorized resellers can. That's the way it works. Nothing secret. Hopes this helps.

It works the same way in our industry but thankfully we don't have the yearly beauty contest. We're a large distributor and end users can't buy from us. When they take the time to mask themselves as a reseller, it's a broker buying a few to several items. In your line of work, think unauthorized eBay resellers buying from poorly funded or over stocked distributors.

Initial shipments of all new technical products have to be closely controlled. Both quantity and channel have to be managed or any product issues will be blown out to "prove" the product and by association, the company, is a failure. It's tricky stuff. Consumers want hot products immediately but have zero loyalty if there is a serious flaw. To support constant improvement, companies have to manage the flow of new product into consumers hands and have to do it through their trusted partners.

I really want my RS45 tomorrow when I order it but I get the issues JVC has to navigate.
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post #11 of 77
11/1/11 at 6:26am
dunno when we will get them... but i DO know i need to stay out of the sony 95 thread while waiting for the jvc to get here...
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post #12 of 77
11/1/11 at 8:38am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

dunno when we will get them... but i DO know i need to stay out of the sony 95 thread while waiting for the jvc to get here...

Or maybe get a second job to afford 2X cost difference...
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post #13 of 77
11/1/11 at 9:35am
I put in a pre-order on the RS55 when I heard AVS' attractive price. Getting it this year would be good, but also hope JVC makes it right the first time.
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post #14 of 77
11/1/11 at 9:44am
Right now we are hearing first shipment by JVC at the end of this month coming in by air. This is second hand and from a JVC distributor not info from JVC direct. The first shipment will likely be very small and no dealer getting more than a very few and most dealers getting none. Same thing as last year for the first shipment. Things should start to flow by the second shipment which I would expect will be by sea. Like I say, all second hand info. I am sure JVC will do everything it can to fill the delivery to end user chain as quickly as it can.
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post #15 of 77
11/1/11 at 9:57am
^^^

lol, one imagines paul revere riding through the night with the news... "one if by air, two if by sea"...

for the ones that are coming by sea, i wonder if they've chained the rowers?
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post #16 of 77
11/1/11 at 1:42pm
Wasn't it the lantern signal to Paul was one if by land, two if by sea. Once he got the signal, then he rode. Of course, I could have that wrong. I have been to the church tower and have bike ridden Paul's route. Also when the Concord bridge was flooded away many years ago, I worked on a design which was installed where the old bridge was. No flood will ever wash away that new bridge.
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post #17 of 77
11/1/11 at 1:44pm
^^^

yup... i was taking artistic license there...
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post #18 of 77
11/1/11 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

The first shipment will likely be very small and no dealer getting more than a very few and most dealers getting none. Same thing as last year for the first shipment. Things should start to flow by the second shipment which I would expect will be by sea.

This is classic for manufacturers trying to get a new product to market as quickly as possible. Send a few out by air so you can get them in *usually* advanced users hands so they can do your final beta testing for you. Then send the next shipment in a "slow boat from China".

If anything blows-up, you've got a few weeks to figure it out, prepare and maybe apply, the patch and the 2nd wave of users get units with more of the kinks worked out. As I said in another post, I mean nothing against JVC, this is just the way the manufacturing world often works.
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post #19 of 77
11/1/11 at 10:01pm
It appears early Dec to late Jan is a safe bet for most of us.

Now if I can just stop myself from buying a hold-over projector until then, I'll be doing good.

All us JVC buyers are all in the same boat so to speak, however there are several projectors that haven't quite shipped just yet (Mits hc7800, Optoma hd8300, etc...).
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post #20 of 77
11/2/11 at 2:05am
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

It appears early Dec to late Jan is a safe bet for most of us.

Now if I can just stop myself from buying a hold-over projector until then, I'll be doing good.

All us JVC buyers are all in the same boat so to speak, however there are several projectors that haven't quite shipped just yet (Mits hc7800, Optoma hd8300, etc...).

Yup..you can say that again brother! I've talked myself out of several hold overs waiting on this thing! Oh yeah, the Optoma 8300 is shipping.

I can't even watch on my entry level unit anymore, I've been spoiled! The movies are piling up waiting on the RS45.
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post #21 of 77
11/2/11 at 1:18pm
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Or maybe get a second job to afford 2X cost difference...

2X the 45 yes, but the 95 compares to the 55 not the 45.
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post #22 of 77
11/2/11 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

It appears early Dec to late Jan is a safe bet for most of us.

Now if I can just stop myself from buying a hold-over projector until then, I'll be doing good.

All us JVC buyers are all in the same boat so to speak, however there are several projectors that haven't quite shipped just yet (Mits hc7800, Optoma hd8300, etc...).

I guess we will see how well a projector junkie can hold out.
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post #23 of 77
11/2/11 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by bubbawilly View Post

2X the 45 yes, but the 95 compares to the 55 not the 45.

yup... which is why i need to stay out of that thread...

especially now that avs got their shipment in...
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post #24 of 77
11/2/11 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

yup... which is why i need to stay out of that thread...

especially now that avs got their shipment in...

Ah, you were referring to the 55, my misunderstanding. Yeah, that would be tough. I'm not sure I'd stay out of that thread if I was trying to choose between them, it sounds sweet. Lucky for me, I don't have the budget or a good reason to spend that kind of money on a pj so I'll wait for the 45.
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post #25 of 77
11/2/11 at 9:53pm
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I guess we will see how well a projector junkie can hold out.

Pretty much, have had several cheapo projectors in various shopping carts almost hitting the final purchase button. I was definitely going to buy the Viewsonic Pro8200 refurb as a holdover, but too bad it was sold out everywhere.

Luckily I should have plenty of time since the JVC shipments are apparently coming in on sailboats with no wind.
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post #26 of 77
11/5/11 at 4:59am
My HT room is going to be finished before I get my RS45. I was on AVForums (Brit forum) looking at their pj reviews and saw they gave the Panny AE5000 (Brit model of US 7000) super-high marks... Better than the Sony HW30 and as good as the JVC X3 last year. I knew the pj was good but it's nice to see more reviews than just PJCs, who said it has a fairly color accurate mode called Normal that puts out 1300 lumens (900 in Eco which is projected to last 5000 hrs) and puts out half that in 3D...wow! I know I should be patient for the RS45, and I will, as long as they don't start dropping the price on the AE7000 before my RS45 arrives. JVC better come through on the bulbs and improved 3D as there is chum in the water now...and the sharks are circling.
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post #27 of 77
11/5/11 at 5:25am
The refurb Viewsonic Pro8200's are finally in stock at some places if someone needs a cheap holdover projector. If anyone wants one, better hurry, I just ordered mine and there was only 4 LEFT at the place I ordered them from.

I couldn't resist, I did add a (1) year warranty because I don't trust refurb products.
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post #28 of 77
11/5/11 at 5:29am
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My HT room is going to be finished before I get my RS45. I was on AVForums (Brit forum) looking at their pj reviews and saw they gave the Panny AE5000 (Brit model of US 7000) super-high marks... Better than the Sony HW30 and as good as the JVC X3 last year. I knew the pj was good but it's nice to see more reviews than just PJCs, who said it has a fairly color accurate mode called Normal that puts out 1300 lumens (900 in Eco which is projected to last 5000 hrs) and puts out half that in 3D...wow! I know I should be patient for the RS45, and I will, as long as they don't start dropping the price on the AE7000 before my RS45 arrives. JVC better come through on the bulbs and improved 3D as there is chum in the water now...and the sharks are circling.

Could you provide a link to that review? The lumens don't sound like best mode lumens. I suspect those lumen numbers are dynamic mode, which next to nobody uses.

I found the review and I skimmed through it. I could not find any mention of measured lumens. Did I miss it some where? http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Pana...or-Review.html

I did see that the review mentioned only 40 to 50% lumen loss from the 3D glasses because of increased opening time. This is good because last year we were looking at numbers more like 75%. It will be interesting to see what JVC does since they too increased the opening time on their glasses. I also noted that the review complained about some portions of the CMS not working and stated that it was the same problem as the last model. So it looks like the Panny does not have a full CMS either. They did say the 3D did not exhibit any cross talk and that the emitter did not work very well bouncing off their screen (same as HW30). This is relevant to me because I use the same screen as the review (Enlightor 4K).
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post #29 of 77
11/5/11 at 5:34am
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 05 View Post

I guess we will see how well a projector junkie can hold out.

Not very well, I think I recall you owned the Viewsonic 8100, I may now own the 8200 (as long as it ships) before I get the JVC.

I am up on you by 100 so far

I just needed something portable too, I was tired of being without a projector when traveling, but didnt want spend another grand to get one.
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post #30 of 77
11/5/11 at 6:29am
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The refurb Viewsonic Pro8200's are finally in stock at some places if someone needs a cheap holdover projector. If anyone wants one, better hurry, I just ordered mine and there was only 4 LEFT at the place I ordered them from.

I couldn't resist, I did add a (1) year warranty because I don't trust refurb products.

I assume that you read the thread. Has their been updates for the reported problems?http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...wsonic+pro8200
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