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Originally Posted by stevegravley View Post

Thank you DJ!

Do you know if there are at least 3 memory settings? I'd prefer to have one for each: 2.35, 1.85, and 1.78.


There are 5

dj
post #152 of 3559
Is joerod making us wait another day?
post #153 of 3559
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

I can chime in on motion in general, but not specifically on a JVC vs. a Sony.

Motion is a funny thing with projectors. I've had several projectors setup side-by-side (although never a JVC and a Sony next to each other). You notice motion issues a lot more when two projectors are side-by-side then you do when watching them one after another. You still see it, but your eyes (well my eyes at least) eventually adjust to inferior motion after only a couple hours of watching a single projector.

I had a Mits hc4000 DLP next to a Sony vw70 next to a Sanyo z5 setup at the same time. The motion on the 6+ year old z5 was horrendous looking at times, almost like frames were missing (ahh well probably because they were in a sense), and I had no FI or anything on these projectors, so I am talking just pure handling of HD content (non-movies, non 24 fps).

DLP looks better, and even that older Sony was a little closer to DLP then a much older Sanyo, but it's not something I'd focus my purchasing decision on unless you are a gamer or huge sports fan. But, that's just me. I think the motion has improved somewhat on all these projectors over the years that it really isn't as big of an issue as it was 5+ years ago. When I tested a newer LCD next to the older Sony, I couldn't really tell a difference between the two, but the newer LCD looked slightly better at motion (probably was seeing something else and had nothing to do with the motion really). DLP still has a large advantage for motion purists.

Motion is indeed very tricky to categorize and it largely depends on the viewer's personal perceptions. I briefly had a Marantz VP-11S2 which was almost unwatchable to me due to its "strobing" type of motion display (most liely a product of the single chip DLP design). My current projector is JVC-RS2 which was/is a great projector but the panning motion of JVC's LCoS panels proved to be a real distraction most of the time that I just stopped watching it and switched all my viewing to my Sony xbr-52hx909 tv. IMO there is something really special about Sony's Motionflow in that it allows you to enjoy the content rather than having the artifacts hit you in the face at every turn.
post #154 of 3559
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Motion is a funny thing with projectors. I've had several projectors setup side-by-side (although never a JVC and a Sony next to each other). You notice motion issues a lot more when two projectors are side-by-side then you do when watching them one after another. You still see it, but your eyes (well my eyes at least) eventually adjust to inferior motion after only a couple hours of watching a single projector. (...) it's not something I'd focus my purchasing decision on

Different folks etc. - after seeing the new Sonys (30 and 95) and JVCs (30 and 70) motion handling was the # 1 reason for me to prefer the Sonys. I doubt very much that I could get used to the (very) bad FI of the JVCs.
post #155 of 3559
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

Mike and lovingdvd

Just checked mine today, and it has NO bright corners - actully it is better then my 90Es was ( wich was OK, but not perfect ).

I tested it with both Iris off and auto 1/2.


BTW tested fast the memory settings for size,shift and focus and it works very good IMO

dj

Thank you dj! Terrific to hear and I appreciate you keeping me in mind and letting us know.

Is it possible for you to measure your lumens at D65 at both the shortest and longest throw?

Any impressions so far on the 2D of the VW90 vs 95?
post #156 of 3559
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Originally Posted by misterkit View Post

Is joerod making us wait another day?

Nope. Within the next hour or so....
post #157 of 3559
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Originally Posted by Eternal_Sunshine View Post

Different folks etc. - after seeing the new Sonys (30 and 95) and JVCs (30 and 70) motion handling was the # 1 reason for me to prefer the Sonys. I doubt very much that I could get used to the (very) bad FI of the JVCs.

The FI is another story, I was speaking in terms of NON-FI / non-enhanced motion. I personally do not like FI, but I can see its benefit for 3D use and sports. However, you can get external FI solutions if you really want to, not sure if some are really good or not, but they should be ok. DLP looks better to me in the motion department without FI even when comparing to a projector with FI on low, but of course never compared it to a newer Sony. Anyhow, the Sony's motion is a slight advantage for those that care about it.

I think at this price the Sony probably is the better projector than the JVC's, almost surely, but it's just that I got the RS-45 so cheap that it would be an entirely different price class to buy this Sony.
post #158 of 3559
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post


The FI is another story, I was speaking in terms of NON-FI / non-enhanced motion. I personally do not like FI, but I can see its benefit for 3D use and sports. However, you can get external FI solutions if you really want to, not sure if some are really good or not, but they should be ok. DLP looks better to me in the motion department without FI even when comparing to a projector with FI on low.

Well, I have no statistics, but I would guess that the majority of users who have a FI in their PJ (or TV) do use it, so for them this *is* how the machine handles motion. For me, a good FI - like Sony and Panasonic have with their low modes - is a vast improvement over straight 24p for all kinds of material (film and video) and I'll never go back. But I also liked the straight 24p on the Sonys better than on the JVCs.
post #159 of 3559
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

The FI is another story, I was speaking in terms of NON-FI / non-enhanced motion. I personally do not like FI, but I can see its benefit for 3D use and sports. However, you can get external FI solutions if you really want to, not sure if some are really good or not, but they should be ok. DLP looks better to me in the motion department without FI even when comparing to a projector with FI on low.

I didn't like FI either on any previous projector until I saw it on the Sony, now it's just part of the 'system' since I use it all the time, especially in 3D mode. the image is rock solid @ the faster refresh rate + the subtle FI in 3D.

you mentioned in another thread how RBE sensitive you are. So am I, but I am equally, if not more sensitive to flicker. The JVC is flicker city, not much can be done about it. I went back to the JVC, Acer and Sony in 1 night this past weekend for a brief showdown and it's quite obvious how bad the JVC is in this regard. I don't know how it's possible, but the HW30 is better than the Acer 5360 as well in this regard - likely due to the FI in 3D.

The FI in 3D creates a rock solid image that is easy on my eyes and I could watch 3D all night long on the Sony whereas my head was spinning with both the Acer and JVC before 1/2 way through the movie. I don't know why JVC couldn't at least try to implement this in at least the mid-high end model this year.
post #160 of 3559
Fair enough, perhaps I just haven't seen a "good enough" FI implementation to like it. I've seen a bunch of different FI's, but most of them weren't in my own viewing environment, so I can't really judge it that well in showrooms.

I am afraid to think about weaknesses too much or I may end up like you with multiple projectors, and I'm wondering when you'll be starting your own movie theater on main street with 12 different viewing rooms, each one with a different projector model, so we can come take a look and see for ourselves the differences.
post #161 of 3559
Silly question... looking at the shape of the VW95ES, are there straight edges on the body enough to level it on all three axis? The top, front, and rear look rounded.
post #162 of 3559
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

Congrats !

Please make sure to give us your first impression...

With pleasure Rick.

After doing the swap over 90ES single handedly, which with as much as I love Chief's mount system, nearly killed me in the 15 mins of the delicate fiddly balancing act it took, I got some great time in last night.

First impression was it without a doubt as an every VW-xx range model owner since the pearl, it is indeed out the box the closest thing I've seen(with my own eyes) to D6500 using the rec settings posted here. Kudos for doing that so fast, I was delighted when I sat there within 5 mins of firing the 95 up and looked up this thread and saw those rec setting in a matter secs! My 90 has 1175 hrs on it and boy did i notice the brand new bulb in the 95. Given I wasn't really expecting any noticeable 2D changes, I only viewed a few 1080p clips through it after setting the white and black levels and they looked pretty much identical in perf to the 90. However, the aspect that I had waited for the most was of course 3D improvements. So I fired up what would be my fav demo disc, Ultimate Wave Tahiti 3D. From the title screen I could feel things were going to be good. Sure enough I was blown away frankly in the improvement not only in brightness, without touching any levels or playing with gamma the way I used to every time I watch 3D with the 90, but the lack of ghosting. I had read opinions already that it was good, but I was wrapped in the improvement. I looking in known scenes for signs and I honestly struggled to see anything without really staring intensely and finding the most minimal signs that the average person would def not pick up on. My next test will be for 3D PS3 tonight. That's been a massive bug bear for me. Games like Crysis 2 and now Resistance 3 are so well made for 3D, but the had ghosting really got to me, along with the lack of brightness factor. I am also very excited regarding Drakes Deception which is out here today having been touted by Sony at IFA Berlin as the game that will 'make' 3D gaming and in 2D form is reviewing 10/10.

The only abnormality seems to be with my up until now, rock solid, Xpand 3D X103's. For some reason every pair out of the 4 would drop out every 5 or so secs. No explanation at all for that, all batteries in top cond. Yet the factory TDGPJ1's, which I already had a pair work flawlessly. I can only imagine how much better the MV's are if even the Sony's look as good as they do with the 95. I am still frankly really anticipating the Xpand Youniversals, whenever they decided to finally launch them.

In summary, given my aim with the 95ES was interim main projector for a boost in 3D until the monster VW1000 arrives. It ticks that box massively so far. I am glad I have saved a quite a few 3D titles to watch on it. Also as I mentioned first up and also due to a circumstance of my calibration guy moving away and not having an easy option any more, this may well be the first SXRD going all the way back to the 004 that I have never calibrated. I will also now def when the VW1000 arrives swap it out with my VW70 that's at my weekender. So all in all I'm delighted with the 95.
post #163 of 3559
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Thanks for the first impression.

Blu ray 3D on this beast is so impressive after 6 days of ownership I am still

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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

With pleasure Rick.

After doing the swap over 90ES single handedly, which with as much as I love Chief's mount system, nearly killed me in the 15 mins of the delicate fiddly balancing act it took, I got some great time in last night.

First impression was it without a doubt as an every VW-xx range model owner since the pearl, it is indeed out the box the closest thing I've seen(with my own eyes) to D6500 using the rec settings posted here. Kudos for doing that so fast, I was delighted when I sat there within 5 mins of firing the 95 up and looked up this thread and saw those rec setting in a matter secs! My 90 has 1175 hrs on it and boy did i notice the brand new bulb in the 95. Given I wasn't really expecting any noticeable 2D changes, I only viewed a few 1080p clips through it after setting the white and black levels and they looked pretty much identical in perf to the 90. However, the aspect that I had waited for the most was of course 3D improvements. So I fired up what would be my fav demo disc, Ultimate Wave Tahiti 3D. From the title screen I could feel things were going to be good. Sure enough I was blown away frankly in the improvement not only in brightness, without touching any levels or playing with gamma the way I used to every time I watch 3D with the 90, but the lack of ghosting. I had read opinions already that it was good, but I was wrapped in the improvement. I looking in known scenes for signs and I honestly struggled to see anything without really staring intensely and finding the most minimal signs that the average person would def not pick up on. My next test will be for 3D PS3 tonight. That's been a massive bug bear for me. Games like Crysis 2 and now Resistance 3 are so well made for 3D, but the had ghosting really got to me, along with the lack of brightness factor. I am also very excited regarding Drakes Deception which is out here today having been touted by Sony at IFA Berlin as the game that will 'make' 3D gaming and in 2D form is reviewing 10/10.

The only abnormality seems to be with my up until now, rock solid, Xpand 3D X103's. For some reason every pair out of the 4 would drop out every 5 or so secs. No explanation at all for that, all batteries in top cond. Yet the factory TDGPJ1's, which I already had a pair work flawlessly. I can only imagine how much better the MV's are if even the Sony's look as good as they do with the 95. I am still frankly really anticipating the Xpand Youniversals, whenever they decided to finally launch them.

In summary, given my aim with the 95ES was interim main projector for a boost in 3D until the monster VW1000 arrives. It ticks that box massively so far. I am glad I have saved a quite a few 3D titles to watch on it. Also as I mentioned first up and also due to a circumstance of my calibration guy moving away and not having an easy option any more, this may well be the first SXRD going all the way back to the 004 that I have never calibrated. I will also now def when the VW1000 arrives swap it out with my VW70 that's at my weekender. So all in all I'm delighted with the 95.
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Okay. It is live. Just click on my HOMEPAGE under my name to the LEFT and then click on the 95. Takes you right there... Goodnight...
post #165 of 3559
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

Thanks for the first impression.

Blu ray 3D on this beast is so impressive after 6 days of ownership I am still

Got my copy of Drake's Deception. Can't wait for tonight to check out some 3D Bluray gaming! May have to do some movie watching too just to round it off
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Okay. It is live. Just click on my HOMEPAGE under my name to the LEFT and then click on the 95. Takes you right there... Goodnight...

I'm going there now. Cheers Joe!
post #167 of 3559
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

Pleased say just receive my 95ES today. Just mounted and fired it up. Going to be fun tonight with the new toy. Really keen to see 3D improvements.

Hi Oz,

Are you able to tell me where you got it and how much ? I have an old VW-60, but I'm going to need more brightness for my new room. Any thoughts on how it would compare ?

Cheers,
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Joe - Not finding it on your homepage or on "page 5" where all your reviews are. Is there a direct link to it?
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Originally Posted by Peter M View Post

Hi Oz,

Are you able to tell me where you got it and how much ? I have an old VW-60, but I'm going to need more brightness for my new room. Any thoughts on how it would compare ?

Cheers,


Peter, if you check my posts in the IFA thread about it, you'll see I deal with Sony at a commercial level and as a side benefit have immediate access to new consumer products. Also, as I stated in that thread I am unable to quote prices as they are at 'commercial' cost not based off MSRP and at this stage I am still unaware of what the Oz MSRP on the 95 is. Perhaps someone on the DTVforum will have a better fix on it.

As far as that big a jump in generations, one thought, no comparison whatsoever. IMHO having just read Joerod's review, his thoughts sum up mine about the diff between the 90 and 95. So if you were to jump from a 60 to a 95, I would tell you do it. Particularly if you value the 3D aspect. My own setup is purely for night time viewing and is often semi lit for TV. In that context I've never had a drama with any of the VW's, especially since the VW70.
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Joe - Not finding it on your homepage or on "page 5" where all your reviews are. Is there a direct link to it?

It's a picture of a 95 on the home page about half way down on the right side if I recall.
post #171 of 3559
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

Joe - Not finding it on your homepage or on "page 5" where all your reviews are. Is there a direct link to it?

I just read it. It took an min for the homepage to load but it's def right there with a picture link.

Might I say also great review Joe! I will use your tip for pic mode when watching 3D. I'm glad u noted again you use the Silverstar. I want to bear that in mind since I have a StudioTek 130 when trying various settings. I will def check out bit more sharpness, being of a old school 'sharpness-phobe' myself.
post #172 of 3559
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

Peter, if you check my posts in the IFA thread about it, you'll see I deal with Sony at a commercial level and as a side benefit have immediate access to new consumer products. Also, as I stated in that thread I am unable to quote prices as they are at 'commercial' cost not based off MSRP and at this stage I am still unaware of what the Oz MSRP on the 95 is. Perhaps someone on the DTVforum will have a better fix on it.

As far as that big a jump in generations, one thought, no comparison whatsoever. IMHO having just read Joerod's review, his thoughts sum up mine about the diff between the 90 and 95. So if you were to jump from a 60 to a 95, I would tell you do it. Particularly if you value the 3D aspect. My own setup is purely for night time viewing and is often semi lit for TV. In that context I've never had a drama with any of the VW's, especially since the VW70.

Oz,

Thanks for the info. No worries on the price ... my room is still a few months away so I'm just pondering which way to go. Any thoughts on the 95 with a 3m wide 16:9 woven AT screen in a light controlled dedicated room ? 2D only !

Cheers,
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

Joe - Not finding it on your homepage or on "page 5" where all your reviews are. Is there a direct link to it?

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Originally Posted by WhereToStart View Post

It's a picture of a 95 on the home page about half way down on the right side if I recall.

Thanks. I had to use a different browser to see it.
post #174 of 3559
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

The only abnormality seems to be with my up until now, rock solid, Xpand 3D X103's. For some reason every pair out of the 4 would drop out every 5 or so secs. No explanation at all for that, all batteries in top cond. Yet the factory TDGPJ1's, which I already had a pair work flawlessly. I can only imagine how much better the MV's are if even the Sony's look as good as they do with the 95. I am still frankly really anticipating the Xpand Youniversals, whenever they decided to finally launch them.

try setting the 3D brightness to '3' instead of '4' and see if the 103's behave. This is how they work fine with the HW30, The VW95 might be the same. The 103's are my least favorite of the Sony and Monster Vision 3D's, but they are good to have to for extra guests.

good to hear the colors are so close out of the box, I was surprised on the inexpensive HW30 to see I really didn't need to calibrate it much to get it perfect.
post #175 of 3559
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Originally Posted by Maestro J View Post

Joe - Not finding it on your homepage or on "page 5" where all your reviews are. Is there a direct link to it?

Sorry, forgot to add the link from page 5. Now done there as well. Though it is much easier to just click on the right side of my main page on the 95.
post #176 of 3559
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

I just read it. It took an min for the homepage to load but it's def right there with a picture link.

Might I say also great review Joe! I will use your tip for pic mode when watching 3D. I'm glad u noted again you use the Silverstar. I want to bear that in mind since I have a StudioTek 130 when trying various settings. I will def check out bit more sharpness, being of a old school 'sharpness-phobe' myself.

Thanks OZ.
post #177 of 3559
Joe - how do you think the 30 and 95 compared in brightness (2d & 3d)?

Are the MV3D's behaving as well as they did on the 30?

thanks for the info on the site. It's not much of a surprise considering how good the HW30 was for it's price point, they could only go up from there.

I am nuts about the FI in 3D, I can't see using a 3D projector now without it since it's crushes any possible flicker through the glasses. The JVC was flicker city.

SDI - make sure you trademark that phrase, i'm sure JVC will love it.
post #178 of 3559
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Originally Posted by OzHDHT View Post

In that context I've never had a drama with any of the VW's, especially since the VW70.

I had lots of drama with the vw70 even though overall it was a nice projector, for starters it had a completely broken CMS, banding in dark scenes, NR issues, IRIS was unnoticeable but also didn't close down far enough on many scenes, and a general milkiness to the image. The color was outstanding however. I am sure these issues have been fixed on the newer Sony's, but I do not think the vw70 was anything extraordinary at its $8000 MSRP. Now for the people that got the older VW's in the AVS deal and paid 1/3rd the retail price, yah it was something special at that price for sure. I didn't hate it or anything, but it had issues that I didn't expect an $8000 MSRP projector to have, which is why I was dissapointed in it. I am sure an external processor could have helped in reducing the issues, but I didn't think a projector at this price should have so many problems.

As far as JVC, most of us JVC buyers did not buy it for 3D or sports or gaming, I surely didn't, and I am the first to direct people to the Sony if they ask for those things (or more commonly tell them to look into a DLP). Now I can buy the Mits hc7800 in addition to the JVC RS-45 for just a bit more then the price of the Sony vw95es. Heck, I can equip an Optoma hd33 in almost every room of my house if I really wanted.

The vw95es seems like an exceptional projector that solves the issues that the JVC's have, but it is still more expensive, even more than an RS-55 AFIK. Now you guys with the extra cash to spend, this is a great projector, and I think it's worth it, but thinking in terms of pure numbers, the RS-45 deal was darn hard to beat. I am a multi-projector guy kind of like Zombie, maybe not to the same degree as him, but it's still harder for me to sink all my money into one unit. However, this projector is in another league compared to the lower end JVC's, not just on PQ, but definitely on price as well. Most of the JVC vs. Sony comparisons aren't really valid when price is taken into consideration, at least not on the prices I've seen so far.
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In Canada the Sony 95 and RS55 are almost exactly the same price. Makes the decision a lot harder. I was surprised how cheap the VW95 is compared to what it goes for in the US. I'm waiting for a shootout before I decide if I will keep the RS55 JVC promised me or get the Sony VW95.

Gary at AV****** mentioned that the JVC RS55 because of the eshift produced motion that was almost on par with a DLP. Can't wait to see which is the overall best projector.
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In Canada the Sony 95 and RS55 are almost exactly the same price. Makes the decision a lot harder. I was surprised how cheap the VW95 is compared to what it goes for in the US. I'm waiting for a shootout before I decide if I will keep the RS55 JVC promised me or get the Sony VW95.

Gary at AV****** mentioned that the JVC RS55 because of the eshift produced motion that was almost on par with a DLP. Can't wait to see which is the overall best projector.

I can't wait to hear your thoughts overall - I know you are going to tell it like it is, no matter what.
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