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post #1501 of 3433
12/8/11 at 9:23pm
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Originally Posted by mmarki View Post

... or have the equipment to notice it...

You already have the two pieces of equipment to notice it which matter the most. Each is located on each side of your nose. Ultimately that's what matters. Your initial impressions from your viewing at the store did not deceive you.
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12/8/11 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post


You already have the two pieces of equipment to notice it which matter the most. Each is located on each side of your nose. Ultimately that's what matters. Your initial impressions from your viewing at the store did not deceive you.

I know, I have to take the wife there tomorrow. Unfortunately I have to involve her in the decision too, or I might have ordered it today!! I have no doubt that she will see a big difference from the Sony 60 we have now. I hope to buy it soon. I think you might know the dealer I went to. He cracks me up.
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post #1503 of 3433
12/8/11 at 10:06pm
OK I know for a long list of reasons we are supposed to calibrate with the auto iris OFF even if we do all our watching with it on (which is how I always watch).

But here is the thing I don't get... When I switch between Auto Iris 1 or 2 over to Manual iris, the color temperature changes significantly. It is very noticeable by eye. This is with the same color temperature such as Low 1 or Custom 1 selected.

Try this... Put up a 100% full field pattern with Auto Iris 1 engaged. Note the color of the white. Now move to Auto Iris 2. Note that the color has stayed the same. Now move to Manual iris. As soon as you do, you'll see a noticeable shift in the color of white - this is despite the color temperature selection being the same.

In fact I measured the difference - I have a dE of 0.4 with the auto iris and that dE moves to 9 just as a result of changing to the manual iris. What is causing this??

This puts me in an interesting position. Am I suppose to calibrate a beautiful grayscale and gamma in manual iris mode, only to run in Auto Iris mode where I know the dE is significantly different (wrong)? Before you say yes you can't measure or think of the auto iris fields like that - keep in mind as just one example that a full field 100% flash such as in LOTR 1 would appear wrong in that scenario, among others.
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post #1504 of 3433
12/8/11 at 10:40pm
Well, tomorrow is my birthday and da misses had me print a picture of the 95 to give me at breakfast. Of course the kids have also been lobbying for a 3D projector and went so far as to pony up to Santa and add the projector to their list.

Ordering tomorrow. I have the original Ruby and have always loved it. I asked this thread what I could expect for improvement. Got Bupkus for a response but given my experience with the 100........ it is time. I expect significantly better blacks, better sports ( too bad the Seahawks are struggling as I have friends on the staff and team) and will enjoy all things 3D. So here we go. Now I just need to sneak in an Oppo and upgrade my HTPC with a new graphic card. Oh yeh, 3D glasses and 3 more external amp channels to complete the 11 externals. Gotta love Birthdays and Christmas.
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post #1505 of 3433
12/8/11 at 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

Well, tomorrow is my birthday and da misses had me print a picture of the 95 to give me at breakfast. Of course the kids have also been lobbying for a 3D projector and went so far as to pony up to Santa and add the projector to their list.

Ordering tomorrow. I have the original Ruby and have always loved it. I asked this thread what I could expect for improvement. Got Bupkus for a response but given my experience with the 100........ it is time. I expect significantly better blacks, better sports ( too bad the Seahawks are struggling as I have friends on the staff and team) and will enjoy all things 3D. So here we go. Now I just need to sneak in an Oppo and upgrade my HTPC with a new graphic card. Oh yeh, 3D glasses and 3 more external amp channels to complete the 11 externals. Gotta love Birthdays and Christmas.

I had a Ruby years ago and absolutely loved it. I now have the VW95. Quite an upgrade you got coming your way!
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post #1506 of 3433
12/9/11 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Does anyone's vw95 have that much chromatic aberration like the picture I posted?

Out of the two 95s I had here for Review purposes both did not have anything as drastic as your pic.
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post #1507 of 3433
12/9/11 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post


Out of the two 95s I had here for Review purposes both did not have anything as drastic as your pic.

Thanks joerod.
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post #1508 of 3433
12/9/11 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Out of the two 95s I had here for Review purposes both did not have anything as drastic as your pic.

Glad to here they did not have anything as drastic, but then did they have anything like it? I certainly do not see anything whatsoever like that. As I mentioned, I just had some typical convergence error which was easily correctable.
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post #1509 of 3433
12/9/11 at 6:22am
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Thanks joerod.

When do you anticipate hanging your new unit?
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post #1510 of 3433
12/9/11 at 6:38am
Anxiously awaiting the first side by side shootout between the VW95 and JVC RS55 - anything planned in the near future
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post #1511 of 3433
12/9/11 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by George Kouzev View Post

Anxiously awaiting the first side by side shootout between the VW95 and JVC RS55 - anything planned in the near future

From the early reports it seems the RS55 is a good deal brighter. I know from previous experience that the brighter pj almost always looks way better (hey there is a reason most TVs ship with crazy default settings). So hopefully who ever does the shootout makes sure to even out the brightness so a good apples to apples comparison can be done.
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post #1512 of 3433
12/9/11 at 7:27am
So...how is 3D performance on the new VW95ES?

Thanks,
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post #1513 of 3433
12/9/11 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

So...how is 3D performance on the new VW95ES?

Thanks,

Overall great, especially with 1080p24. For my full impressions on 3D search for my posts in this thread. I have discussed my impressions of it in a few different places.
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post #1514 of 3433
12/9/11 at 7:39am
Dang,

Re JVC vs Sony (since I'm about to pick up a JVC RS55).

I wish I had some opportunity to see the VW95 before jumping on the JVC bandwagon again. I love my RS20 and I'm a black level fiend so that's a major reason why I stuck with JVC again (RS55). There used to be a Sony store with an excellent projector demo room nearby, but they got rid of the demo room and now none of the Sony stores can demo their projectors.

Also, there is the "dealer" issue. I don't know anybody dealing Sony projectors as far as getting a better deal, and my projector dealer doesn't sell the Sony saying he had too many issues and that Sony was much more problematic to deal with when customers had problems with their unit, whereas JVC response was much faster and more helpful.
(I was able to immediately get a replacement projector for my first RS20 which had pretty crappy convergence).

I'm sure the Sony looks fantastic. This will be my first 3D projector so I was hoping to get at least decent 3D performance. I'll have to see...
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post #1515 of 3433
12/9/11 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Dang,

Re JVC vs Sony (since I'm about to pick up a JVC RS55).

I wish I had some opportunity to see the VW95 before jumping on the JVC bandwagon again. I love my RS20 and I'm a black level fiend so that's a major reason why I stuck with JVC again (RS55). There used to be a Sony store with an excellent projector demo room nearby, but they got rid of the demo room and now none of the Sony stores can demo their projectors.

Also, there is the "dealer" issue. I don't know anybody dealing Sony projectors as far as getting a better deal, and my projector dealer doesn't sell the Sony saying he had too many issues and that Sony was much more problematic to deal with when customers had problems with their unit, whereas JVC response was much faster and more helpful.
(I was able to immediately get a replacement projector for my first RS20 which had pretty crappy convergence).

I'm sure the Sony looks fantastic. This will be my first 3D projector so I was hoping to get at least decent 3D performance. I'll have to see...

If you search in this thread you will find my shootout between the RS20 and VW95. You may find that interesting. Regarding the black level - I switched to the VW95 thinking that I was giving up black levels and performance in dark films and the 95 turned out to exceed my expectations in both regards (and others).

Again you can read my thoughts about all this by finding my posts in this thread if you are interested. As for Sony dealers that is an issue easily solved. Just make sure you have a good out in case you are not happy with the RS55.
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post #1516 of 3433
12/9/11 at 8:11am
Here are the screen shots with AVS HD709 with the single pixel off/on patterns. The panel adjustment is off.

Issues are:

1. The blue and red are off a bit.

2. The blue spans wider than red and the red is wider than the green. Is this the similar to what SWOK had with his first unit?
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post #1517 of 3433
12/9/11 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by unidisk View Post

Here are the screen shots with AVS HD709 with the single pixel off/on patterns. The panel adjustment is off.

Issues are:

1. The blue and red are off a bit.

2. The blue spans wider than red and the red is wider than the green. Is this the similar to what SWOK had with his first unit?

Are you sure that is a single pixel pattern? That looks like a huge sized pixel unless your zoom is super large?

Remind us - what have you tried with the convergence controls?
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post #1518 of 3433
12/9/11 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post


Out of the two 95s I had here for Review purposes both did not have anything as drastic as your pic.

Did you keep either of them for yourself?
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post #1519 of 3433
12/9/11 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post


Are you sure that is a single pixel pattern? That looks like a huge sized pixel unless your zoom is super large?

Remind us - what have you tried with the convergence controls?

They are taken with Canon F4 200mm zoom Len at 10ft away. Then I cropped the image to zoom in more. The first 4 are the single pixel pattern from the AVS disk. The last one as cross sign is the native Sony panel shift patter which I guess is 2 pixel wide.

I did play with the panel shift and it can align the blue/red better. But it did not help the blue spread over. The over all picture turns redish or bluish. I need to test more.
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post #1520 of 3433
12/9/11 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

OK I know for a long list of reasons we are supposed to calibrate with the auto iris OFF even if we do all our watching with it on (which is how I always watch).

But here is the thing I don't get... When I switch between Auto Iris 1 or 2 over to Manual iris, the color temperature changes significantly. It is very noticeable by eye. This is with the same color temperature such as Low 1 or Custom 1 selected.

Try this... Put up a 100% full field pattern with Auto Iris 1 engaged. Note the color of the white. Now move to Auto Iris 2. Note that the color has stayed the same. Now move to Manual iris. As soon as you do, you'll see a noticeable shift in the color of white - this is despite the color temperature selection being the same.

In fact I measured the difference - I have a dE of 0.4 with the auto iris and that dE moves to 9 just as a result of changing to the manual iris. What is causing this??

This puts me in an interesting position. Am I suppose to calibrate a beautiful grayscale and gamma in manual iris mode, only to run in Auto Iris mode where I know the dE is significantly different (wrong)? Before you say yes you can't measure or think of the auto iris fields like that - keep in mind as just one example that a full field 100% flash such as in LOTR 1 would appear wrong in that scenario, among others.


If the 95 is anything like the 60, then each Iris Mode has it's own set of default RGB Gain/Bias values within the Service Menu.

You could check to make sure that all vaules are the same for each of these 3 modes: Off, Manual & Auto 1/2.

I'd have to say that I think that the Auto modes tend to shift the grayscale toward red. So if you don't have enough red headroom, this is likely where those "brightness compression" and "clipping" comments can come into play. but this is easily verified while measuring.

You should be able to determine where you have run out of red when you are balancing your RGB for 100% white (with your Auto Iris engaged). You'll need to back off your Green and Blue gains until you have given yourself a few clicks of headroom. Now your overall lumens may have dropped, but there is the potential option to adjust the . I prefer to set it so that a 100% white measures the same for the Iris OFF. Then go back and verify that this hasn't gobbled up your red headroom again.
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post #1521 of 3433
12/9/11 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post


When do you anticipate hanging your new unit?

Tonight or tomorrow.
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post #1522 of 3433
12/9/11 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by Dr. Spankenstein View Post

...Now your overall lumens may have dropped, but there is the potential option to adjust the . I prefer to set it so that a 100% white measures the same for the Iris OFF. Then go back and verify that this hasn't gobbled up your red headroom again.

Can you elaborate on what the above does for you? And what the downside is? A few days ago I posted some questions for you but assume you did not have a chance or they got lost in the flurry of messages around that time.

Please have a look at these questions for you here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post21305231 . Love to hear your thoughts on what the service menu can do help optimize the iris settings, along with the downsides of any such adjustment so we know what the tradeoffs are for. Thanks!

Also I will have a closer look at the service menus to see if it is switching gain settings on me etc.
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post #1523 of 3433
12/9/11 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

Dang,

Re JVC vs Sony (since I'm about to pick up a JVC RS55).

I wish I had some opportunity to see the VW95 before jumping on the JVC bandwagon again. I love my RS20 and I'm a black level fiend so that's a major reason why I stuck with JVC again (RS55). There used to be a Sony store with an excellent projector demo room nearby, but they got rid of the demo room and now none of the Sony stores can demo their projectors.

Also, there is the "dealer" issue. I don't know anybody dealing Sony projectors as far as getting a better deal, and my projector dealer doesn't sell the Sony saying he had too many issues and that Sony was much more problematic to deal with when customers had problems with their unit, whereas JVC response was much faster and more helpful.
(I was able to immediately get a replacement projector for my first RS20 which had pretty crappy convergence).

I'm sure the Sony looks fantastic. This will be my first 3D projector so I was hoping to get at least decent 3D performance. I'll have to see...

Sony swaps out their units within 72 hours or sooner.
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post #1524 of 3433
12/9/11 at 11:52am
Maybe it's time to start a "VW95 tweaker thread". I would hate for this to contaminate this thread as the processes can get long-winded, as you already know.

I have gone over this to a great degree in the "VW60 Tweak thread".

As I stated earlier, I am not a 95 owner (yet). Whether these setting translate from the 60, I do not know. I imagine their iris algorithms have been refined, but the implemetation should be the same.
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post #1525 of 3433
12/9/11 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Sony swaps out their units within 72 hours or sooner.

And in SOWK's case Sony had to wait for HIM to be ready to pick it up.
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post #1526 of 3433
12/9/11 at 12:56pm
Hi,
To have perfect alignment i must use zone alignment.
Does anybody knows if has some side effect in picture?
I made some adjusments and i didn't see any side effect.
I told him about the pink effect on unidisk units.
My dealer just told me..Quote
You have to do the pixel alignment also within the Zones !
Only pixel alignment over the complete picture is not enough - you also have to do the zone alignment.

It became pink because you mix blue and green - that´s normal.
He is a very good ISF calibrator.
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post #1527 of 3433
12/9/11 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by unidisk View Post

Here are the screen shots with AVS HD709 with the single pixel off/on patterns. The panel adjustment is off.

Issues are:

1. The blue and red are off a bit.

2. The blue spans wider than red and the red is wider than the green. Is this the similar to what SWOK had with his first unit?

Yours looks like mine does, but more uniform. Mine is all below a pixel...

Still not very good...
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post #1528 of 3433
12/9/11 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by maximus74 View Post

Hi,
To have perfect alignment i must use zone alignment.
Does anybody knows if has some side effect in picture?
I made some adjusments and i didn't see any side effect.
I told him about the pink effect on unidisk units.
My dealer just told me..Quote
You have to do the pixel alignment also within the Zones !
Only pixel alignment over the complete picture is not enough - you also have to do the zone alignment.

It became pink because you mix blue and green - that´s normal.
He is a very good ISF calibrator.

How did you like using the zone controls? I didn't play with it. In my case I got nearly perfect convergence with the overall shift of R and B. However one side about the last 20% is off a bit in green. It is not noticeable at all with patterns so I did not want to bother with the zone controls - no knowing if there was any artifact or downside to using it. But I figured if it wasn't really necessary or visible then don't bother with it. Plus I figured I would leave it for when I got bored tweaking other things.

I wonder if when you use the zone adjustment it applies the overall adjustment first and then your zone. Or if you have to do the whole thing as a zone (with no overall shift) if you decide to use any zone at all.

Also did you notice if you the 0.1 pixel increments in the zone control are any different than the amount moved by one click in the overall shift?
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post #1529 of 3433
12/9/11 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Yours looks like mine does, but more uniform. Mine is all below a pixel...

Still not very good...

You are talking about your old unit still, right?
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post #1530 of 3433
12/9/11 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post


You are talking about your old unit still, right?

Yes. If the pictures above from Unidisk are normal, then I will just have to live with whatever my new one brings about.
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