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post #2671 of 3433
2/13/12 at 7:43am
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I feel the exact same way but about the 1000ES. You have to see it to believe it.

Yes, but at $25K, I won't be touching it
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post #2672 of 3433
2/13/12 at 11:21am
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Originally Posted by maximus74 View Post

Hi,
If you look on this forum you will see many ex users of HD750.
Every one of them are happy with their choice and a safe bet for fantastic warranty policy and exchange program on their ES line.

Sorry I missed that, what is the exchange program, and is it only valid in certain countries?
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post #2673 of 3433
2/13/12 at 3:54pm
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We have the same setup with the HP screen. I wanted the lowest black floor possible since I watch a lot of dark movies. I can run -11 to -13 on the iris with no problem and it looks excellent with e-shift on 3.

I think it's difficult to explain the e-shift if someone hasn't seen it in person. I sit close to my 142" and when you A/B with it on/off, for me the improvements are obvious. I never want to turn it off and only rarely crank it down from 3.

I spent a few hours calibrating it last night and watched Empire Strikes Back BD. I've had these for a while and never got around to checking it out. It's as good as I ever seen it. Even better than my special laserdisc edition.

Possibly those with a HP screen which I understand has a 2.8 gain are experiencing something different that can't be achieved with a 1.0 gain one.
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post #2674 of 3433
2/13/12 at 5:31pm
The big plus of a screen like the HP with the JVC's is that you can run with the iris cranked way down to simultaneously enjoy the richness of the high contrast and good brightness.

This is most important with a big screen of course, and a big screen will also help show off the power of e-shift, I would imagine.
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post #2675 of 3433
2/13/12 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by Fat Dave View Post

The big plus of a screen like the HP with the JVC's is that you can run with the iris cranked way down to simultaneously enjoy the richness of the high contrast and good brightness.

This is most important with a big screen of course, and a big screen will also help show off the power of e-shift, I would imagine.

I understood that with a high gain screen you could have a problem with shimmer.
How do you believe the 95ES would perform on a 135" 2.35 screen with moderate gain of 1.4? Would one be better severed with the e-shift even though you are 16' away. Thanks for the input.
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post #2676 of 3433
2/13/12 at 8:12pm
Quick question, my room is light controlled, but not a bat cave. The walls and ceiling are (for now) light grey. Would a projector (95ES), which is brighter, theoretically perform better than one that is not as bright? I'm wondering if the brightness would not reflect more, and therefore somewhat wash out the screen easier.
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post #2677 of 3433
2/13/12 at 8:24pm
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Originally Posted by cdnscg View Post

Possibly those with a HP screen which I understand has a 2.8 gain are experiencing something different that can't be achieved with a 1.0 gain one.

The HP screen is for brightness fanatics. One of the main benefits is that I can run the RS55 @ -13 or -11 iris and the contrast looks very good on the my dark sci-fi flicks.

kraine published these #'s in his review of the X70 (RS55) and the VW95. Obviously there is sample variance between models, so another VW95 and RS55 could have different results. Keep in mind the lamps will dim over time, so it's at good as it gets out of the box.

X70 (RS55) Contrast / Brightness:

High lamp mode calibrated iris opened: 1051 lumens
Low lamp mode calibrated iris open: 666 lumens
Value of the calibrated lamp black high iris open: 0.01 lux
Value of the calibrated lamp black bass open iris: Unable to measure in the field of the screen, our light meter has reached its limits, we get closer to the goal to obtain a measure of contrast.
We contrast: off low lamp calibrated: 40100:1
We contrast: off lamp calibrated high: 21000:1
Brightness behind 3D glasses: 299 lumens

VW95 Contrast / Brightness:

Calibrated high lamp mode: 770 lumens
Calibrated low lamp mode: 495 lumens
Value of the calibrated lamp black high: 0.02 lux
We contrast: off lamp calibrated high: 14150:1
Value of the calibrated lamp black low: 0.01 lux
We contrast: off low lamp calibrated: 18250:1
Brightness behind 3D glasses: 283 lumens
Dynamic iris turned on in auto mode we measured a 28300:1 contrast is: off
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post #2678 of 3433
2/13/12 at 8:27pm
There's no shimmer with the HP, 2.8 or 2.4. I have the 2.8, and a good buddy has the 2.4 (the guy that bought my RS40). Some high gain screens have shimmer and hot spotting, but these are not issues with the HP.

I think if you're 16' away from a 135" screen, unless you have exceptional vision you are a bit far for e-shift to make the impact it would make from closer to a 1:1 distance.

However, with the aforementioned 1.4 gain (or higher) I think you're within the range that would still work well with the RS55, so I would say it would depend on your viewing priorities as to which projector would work best.

With lighter walls and ceiling, retro-reflective screens (like the HP) make a nice difference, since they control how much light spills to the sides, and lessen the impact of that spilled light with respect to perceived black levels. The back wall would need to be controlled, however (very important for black levels!!). However, for a retro-reflective screen to work best, the projector should ideally be mounted as near to the viewer's eye level as possible.

In a light controlled environment, the screen will have as big an impact as projector brightness, and in some cases a bigger impact. As long as you have "sufficient" light, pick the screen that works best for your viewing environment.
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post #2679 of 3433
2/13/12 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

The HP screen is for brightness fanatics. One of the main benefits is that I can run the RS55 @ -13 or -11 iris and the contrast looks very good on the my dark sci-fi flicks.

kraine published these #'s in his review of the X70 (RS55) and the VW95. Obviously there is sample variance between models, so another VW95 and RS55 could have different results. Keep in mind the lamps will dim over time, so it's at good as it gets out of the box.

X70 (RS55) Contrast / Brightness:

High lamp mode calibrated iris opened: 1051 lumens
Low lamp mode calibrated iris open: 666 lumens
Value of the calibrated lamp black high iris open: 0.01 lux
Value of the calibrated lamp black bass open iris: Unable to measure in the field of the screen, our light meter has reached its limits, we get closer to the goal to obtain a measure of contrast.
We contrast: off low lamp calibrated: 40100:1
We contrast: off lamp calibrated high: 21000:1
Brightness behind 3D glasses: 299 lumens

VW95 Contrast / Brightness:

Calibrated high lamp mode: 770 lumens
Calibrated low lamp mode: 495 lumens
Value of the calibrated lamp black high: 0.02 lux
We contrast: off lamp calibrated high: 14150:1
Value of the calibrated lamp black low: 0.01 lux
We contrast: off low lamp calibrated: 18250:1
Brightness behind 3D glasses: 283 lumens
Dynamic iris turned on in auto mode we measured a 28300:1 contrast is: off

I have great respect for Kraine and his work, but his contrast numbers for the Sony are WAY off what other reviewers and end users have found in terms of dynamic on-off contrast, and even black levels (at least with Iris on Auto1). Cine4home found 84,000:1 calibrated and 105,000:1 "nativ" (out of the box).

Also, some simple iris tweaking ups the on/off even further and lowers the black levels considerably.

The JVC with iris closed (the best mode for the JVC) will definitely be less light than the Sony as well.
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post #2680 of 3433
2/13/12 at 9:36pm
I realize we are going off this threads main topic but when you state "However, for a retro-reflective screen to work best, the projector should ideally be mounted as near to the viewer's eye level as possible.", are you saying the pj should be behind the viewer's head? I have mine ceiling mounted.
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post #2681 of 3433
2/13/12 at 9:57pm
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Originally Posted by Fat Dave View Post

Also, some simple iris tweaking ups the on/off even further and lowers the black levels considerably.

The JVC with iris closed (the best mode for the JVC) will definitely be less light than the Sony as well.

I understand your point on the disparity between the various reviews. Look at the VW1000, there is a bunch of different info out there right now and will take some time to average out.

That's good to hear your HW30 iris work carried over to the VW95 as well. I'd be interested to see your tweaked VW95 next the the RS55.

cdnscg - check this thread for the main differences in the various HP materials.

For maximum gain on a retroflective screen like the HP, the projector should be as close to eye level for maximum gain. I have my projectors about 1 foot above my head and centered between my 4 seats. As the projector is raise above this point, the gain goes downs. There are a number of calculators that will show you the heigh / gain ratio for your particular setup. Depending on the height, you could still end up with some gain.

since I don't know what was wrong with your particular RS55, it might be a good idea to with the VW95 instead vs. recommending to see what's in box # 2.
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post #2682 of 3433
2/13/12 at 10:26pm
I'm quite confident in saying that a well performing VW95 from long throw will measure out to about 15,000:1 with the iris off and 80,000:1 with the DI in low lamp mode. Subtract a little from these numbers if you want to see video level 17. You can add about 1% to these numbers if you want to run in high lamp mode, which I don't because that raises the black floor of course and I don't need the extra brightness.
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post #2683 of 3433
2/13/12 at 10:46pm
Ric - I don't recall, have you see the X70/RS55 e-shift? I only know a few members who had evaluated the 95 and 55. SOWK has been in hiding, but looking forward to his comparison between the two models. He has great objective feedback.

I like effect on my 142" with my close seating distance. On good source material, I think there is a noticeable difference with it on vs. off.
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post #2684 of 3433
2/13/12 at 11:31pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Ric - I don't recall, have you see the X70/RS55 e-shift? I only know a few members who had evaluated the 95 and 55. SOWK has been in hiding, but looking forward to his comparison between the two models. He has great objective feedback.

I like effect on my 142" with my close seating distance. On good source material, I think there is a noticeable difference with it on vs. off.

I believe SOWK said in the RS55 thread that if you sit really close you'll see the benefits of the JVC. If you don't, may as well get the Sony. At least that was the advice I took from it. I game as well so that's one big reason I picked the Sony as it supposedly has less input lag...
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post #2685 of 3433
2/14/12 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by mookie b View Post

I believe SOWK said in the RS55 thread that if you sit really close you'll see the benefits of the JVC. If you don't, may as well get the Sony. At least that was the advice I took from it. I game as well so that's one big reason I picked the Sony as it supposedly has less input lag...

SOWK has long detailed reviews, so it should be a great compare for the nit-pickers.

I measured 20-30 ms lag on the HW30 and assuming the 95 is the same in 'game' mode. definitely a big + for the gamers. plus the inexpensive lamp doesn't hurt for those that want to pack on the hours.
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post #2686 of 3433
2/14/12 at 6:00am
Quick question on the MV3D glasses. I hear that these are better for use with the VW95 than the stock Sony glasses. When I calibrated a client's VW95 last week I tried to brighten his stock glasses from standard setting of 3 to 4 and then 5 but this added crosstalk. Can you brighten the MV3D glasses all the way to 5 and still eliminate the crosstalk? That would be ideal.
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post #2687 of 3433
2/14/12 at 6:35am
I have watched about about 25 movies so far on my Sony 95 and they have all been flawless and I am super pleased with PQ and motion. I just tried to watch Pillars of the Earth on Blu-Ray and had such terrible judder (jerky playback) that it is not watchable. I tried changing every setting on the Panny DMP-BDT210 player and the PJ that I can think of that could effect this to no avail. (I tried enabling/disabling 24p, content type flag on player, all motion flow settings, all film modes in the advanced settings , etc) I took the blu-ray player and hooked it to my Panny plasma and it plays the disc smoothly. I also tried using a LG player with PJ same results. I searched the internet to see if others have experienced problems with this particular Bluray disc but didn't see anything. Any thoughts on what might be the cause or solution?
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post #2688 of 3433
2/14/12 at 6:45am
I believe Pillars of the Earth is 1080p60, which could be why you're experiencing a different effect versus the other movies you've watched (most likely all 1080p24). Unfortunately I'm not familiar with your player, but I'd think you were on the right track with disabling 24p...

hmmm....
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post #2689 of 3433
2/14/12 at 8:28am
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Originally Posted by eridana View Post

I have watched about about 25 movies so far on my Sony 95 and they have all been flawless and I am super pleased with PQ and motion. I just tried to watch Pillars of the Earth on Blu-Ray and had such terrible judder (jerky playback) that it is not watchable. I tried changing every setting on the Panny DMP-BDT210 player and the PJ that I can think of that could effect this to no avail. (I tried enabling/disabling 24p, content type flag on player, all motion flow settings, all film modes in the advanced settings , etc) I took the blu-ray player and hooked it to my Panny plasma and it plays the disc smoothly. I also tried using a LG player with PJ same results. I searched the internet to see if others have experienced problems with this particular Bluray disc but didn't see anything. Any thoughts on what might be the cause or solution?

Check if your AVR/Processor is forcing 1080p/24. I had the same problem with Pearl Jam 20 and the solution was to configure another output on my Anthem for 1080/60....
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post #2690 of 3433
2/14/12 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Ric - I don't recall, have you see the X70/RS55 e-shift? I only know a few members who had evaluated the 95 and 55. SOWK has been in hiding, but looking forward to his comparison between the two models. He has great objective feedback.

I like effect on my 142" with my close seating distance. On good source material, I think there is a noticeable difference with it on vs. off.

Sorry for the long delays with the reviews guys, but I need to get the theater room done before I sit and play with the projector at this point, been almost a full year from project start. So I am in finish mode, then I will get to the reviews.

The Sony is still a better machine if you sit 1.5 screen widths away or more.

But the JVC is still a great machine regardless.
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post #2691 of 3433
2/14/12 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post


The Sony is still a better machine if you sit 1.5 screen widths away or more.

But the JVC is still a great machine regardless.

when you get a chance, can you give a short summary beyond the info you posted in the RS55 thread? even some more info on each brief topic you brought up would be appreciate by many.
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post #2692 of 3433
2/14/12 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Ric - I don't recall, have you see the X70/RS55 e-shift? I only know a few members who had evaluated the 95 and 55. SOWK has been in hiding, but looking forward to his comparison between the two models. He has great objective feedback.

I like effect on my 142" with my close seating distance. On good source material, I think there is a noticeable difference with it on vs. off.

Nope, haven't had a chance to see the RS55 yet. I would low to have the better blacks in very low APL scenes that the 55 offers over the 95. However given the other advantages that the 95 has over the 55 which are important to me (such as better bulbs, lower fan noise in 3D, better 3D, better support) I am very happy with my decision to choose the 95.

Even if the 55 was slightly better in PQ (doubt it would be considered that either machine was more than slightly better than the other) I'd still take the 95 because it is better suited for me and my tastes. In particular, I sit 2x away so eshift would give me no benefit. Also the Sony is plenty bright in my room so the extra brightness of the 55 offers no benefit for me.

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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

...plus the inexpensive lamp doesn't hurt for those that want to pack on the hours.

Ironically we finally get a lamp that is reasonably priced yet as it turns out the bulb appears to be so stable that we'll likely go through them a lot slower. At 230 hours on my bulb I had lost only 1% brightness and the calibration had not drifted.
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post #2693 of 3433
2/14/12 at 9:56am
I just wish the machine had a bit longer throw, more like the JVC or its big brother 1000. I could really use one more foot.
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2/14/12 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Nope, haven't had a chance to see the RS55 yet. I would low to have the better blacks in very low APL scenes that the 55 offers over the 95. However given the other advantages that the 95 has over the 55 which are important to me (such as better bulbs, lower fan noise in 3D, better 3D, better support) I am very happy with my decision to choose the 95.

Even if the 55 was slightly better in PQ (doubt it would be considered that either machine was more than slightly better than the other) I'd still take the 95 because it is better suited for me and my tastes. In particular, I sit 2x away so eshift would give me no benefit. Also the Sony is plenty bright in my room so the extra brightness of the 55 offers no benefit for me.

Ironically we finally get a lamp that is reasonably priced yet as it turns out the bulb appears to be so stable that we'll likely go through them a lot slower. At 230 hours on my bulb I had lost only 1% brightness and the calibration had not drifted.

I have stood back ~2.0SW and can still see the e-shift doing it's thing @ 3, but it's more obvious sitting close and gives the appearance of a higher resolution image with more detail in facial features, hair, etc. I took a risk going with the JVC again after my issues with the 50 last year, but this sample I have has good convergence and focus and I'm mainly using it for critical 2D BD viewing.

I'm also cautious of the lamp and use my HW30 for just about everything else, so I can appreciate the inexpensive lamp. Mine has hardly moved in ~150 hours and the calibration hasn't really drifted either in the last 100 hours.

If I didn't have several other projectors, I'd have have likely switched over to the 95 for better 3D, but there is an intoxicating effect of the e-shift @ 3 & -11 on the iris on my dark sci-fi that keeps it in the stock pile for now.
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post #2695 of 3433
2/14/12 at 11:10am
I can't seem to find a product manual for the 95ES in english on the web. Could somebody advise what the throw distance is for a 120" 16:9 screen and 135" 2.35. I read in the "projectorreview" that the pj had a limited throw distance. I'm presently at 16' from my screen, with no plans to change due to the power supply.
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post #2696 of 3433
2/14/12 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by Fat Dave View Post

I believe Pillars of the Earth is 1080p60, which could be why you're experiencing a different effect versus the other movies you've watched (most likely all 1080p24). Unfortunately I'm not familiar with your player, but I'd think you were on the right track with disabling 24p...

hmmm....

Yes this was the first 1080p60 I tried to watch. I had already verified the A/V was set to pass the HDMI signal "through". What finally stopped the judder was forcing 1080i instead of 1080p or auto out of the player in addition to disabling 24p out. I would have thought disabling the 24p alone would have fixed the problem - I have no idea why forcing 1080i was also needed. I wonder if its a player weakness. I really wanted an OPPO to begin with but the PJ was pushing my budget - maybe I can convince wife this is why we need an OPPO ... LOL
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post #2697 of 3433
2/14/12 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Also the Sony is plenty bright in my room so the extra brightness of the 55 offers no benefit for me.

Truly my head is starting to spin with all the non-avs reviews, and information on the site. I thought the Sony was brighter than the JVC????
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post #2698 of 3433
2/14/12 at 2:47pm
I just ordered a 95ES. Before, its too late I just want to check that my processor will be compatible.
Its an ONKYO PR-SC5507 and I have recently updated to the latest firmware.
Anyone know ?

Thanks
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post #2699 of 3433
2/14/12 at 3:35pm
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Originally Posted by cdnscg View Post


Truly my head is starting to spin with all the non-avs reviews, and information on the site. I thought the Sony was brighter than the JVC????

They are the same brightness.

The jvc 45 is a little brighter. But not my 55. The first Sony 95 I had was brighter then my 55.
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2/14/12 at 3:42pm
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Originally Posted by mintakaX View Post

I just ordered a 95ES. Before, its too late I just want to check that my processor will be compatible.
Its an ONKYO PR-SC5507 and I have recently updated to the latest firmware.
Anyone know ?

Thanks

Will work fine.
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