Official Sony VPL-VW95ES Owners Thread - Page 91

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/VPLVW95ES.pdf

Thanks. Look likes I'll be under the 18' max.distance for a 120" screen. I take it the bigger the screen the further back the pj can go, therefore it would work with a 135" 2.35 should I get one.

Thanks SOWK.

I have a remote code question....

I use a URC MX980. The only VPL model in the remote code database is a VPL 30. Has anyone programed a URC remote for this projector yet, and what codes did you use? I can always learn the Sony's remote, but I've had mixed luck doing that before. Figured it couldn't hurt to ask before I re-program the thing......

Do any of you guys hear tiny sounds from the chassies, I dont know how to describe it, but like plastic "clicking" from temperature fluctuations? I hear this on mine (if I turn off the sound from the speakers of course) and its heard about every 5 minutes for the first 30 minutes when turned on.

I suppose it is the plastic chassies making this sound, would be very worried otherwise?

Cine4home found that the JVC is brighter, at least on a new lamp. OTOH, the Sony's high lamp mode is quiet, so I would actually use it regularly, which I would not do on the JVC.

If anyone in interested I am posting in the classifieds area the the two pairs of Sony 3D glasses included in the VW1000. Should work fine with the VW95 and 30 as well.

Let's clarify in what iris setting that happens, though.

The JVC is brighter with the iris open, which is definitely detrimental to contrast and not the recommended way of viewing such a projector (at least in my opinion).

With the JVC's iris closed down to reach it's capable contrast, the Sony is NOTABLY brighter.

Excellent point!

Hi,
Don't worry,is from the plastic.I hear it too from time to time.

Actually, to clarify even further, Cine4Home found the following for the JVC RS55

Lamp low, iris open, shortest throw: 640 lumens, 26,000:1 contrast
Lamp low, iris open, longest throw: 560 lumens, 32,000:1 contrast

The RS65 added roughly an extra 10,000 to the left of all of those ratios, at the same light output. To reach its highest contrast figures, you had to run the RS55 with the iris closed, which dropped its short-throw lumens to 310 even on high lamp (!) but yielded 69,000:1 contrast.

For the 95ES:

Lamp high, iris open, shortest throw, 850 lumens, 13,000:1 contrast
Lamp high, iris open, longest throw, 680 lumens, 15,000:1 contrast
Lamp high, iris closed, longest throw, 330 lumens, 20,000:1 contrast
Lamp high, iris auto, shortest throw, 850 lumens, 54,000:1 contrast
Lamp high, iris auto, longest throw, 680 lumens, 84,000:1 contrast

(I didn't list the Sony in low lamp, since none of the combinations yield enough brightness for my screen...)

So, basically, the Sony even with its iris closed does not perform as well as the JVC in terms of native contrast, even with the JVC's iris wide open. But, crucially, they found that enabling the dynamic iris on the Sony gave the same brightness as a wide-open iris, but gave a contrast higher than the highest figure the RS55 could do at D65.

So, I would really like to see the 95ES in action (I stillhave not been able to find one in the SF Bay Area!!) to see how it fares on a mixed scene where it will have to find an iris compromise to keep the bright elements fairly bright while not raising the black floor too much, compared to the JVC, which doesn't have to make that compromise.

I did watch exactly such a scene the other day on the VW1000ES, and the performance was very fine indeed. I'd love to see how the 95 does with the same content.

Anyone have any idea about this?

You didn't list the Sony numbers in low lamp because they were too dim, but you didn't include the JVC numbers at high lamp either, so others viewing the post will not be comparing like with like. But to continue your train of thought, also you would need to consider the black level of the Sony in high lamp vs the black level of the JVC in low lamp. Perceptual contrast is a highly important consideration. Compromised black levels fool our brain into thinking there is less contrast than in fact there is.

For an RS55, on my screen material, I can stop down the aperture to a point where I get 60000:1 measured contrast (short throw) while achieving the recommended 12ftL brightness. This is on low lamp and the aperture at -11. With that much contrast and that brightness, it is enough to be almost painful if you suddenly go from full black to full white. When you choose your projector you have to consider how bright it will be in your application and if you are willing to change materials. A naughty thing JVC did was to put a significant contrast jump and significant brightness drop when setting the aperture from -11 to -13. This was to make spec numbers but will be too dim for many. However I am finding 60000:1, real D65 contrast and 12ftL brightness, more than enough for now, until my next upgrade.

You can debate the virtues of auto-iris and higher native on/off and then muddle in ANSI contrast for good measure, forever. If one design was better than the other we would ALL choose the same projector. The fact is we all look for different things and none of the projectors are perfect. In fact imperfection is a great way of making us constantly upgrade and buy new products. Manufacturers constantly and intentionally defer improvements or features to the next model, not always because of time, but to give a continuous roadmap of upgrades.

Samsung and other well known Korean manufacturers are class leaders in providing what is now becoming known as the 90% product. Give almost every feature but hold back just that little bit to make you want to upgrade in a year or two. Subsequently the new model will be missing something else.

Jules

No, the MV can be adjusted to more light, but the crosstalk follows up to and other way around the MV can be adjusted to a little less light output and then lower the crosstalk even more.

If you go back in this tread, Lovingdvd and I had tried some different settings and things, maybe there are a god starting point for you and then go to work and tweak to your taste ( I for one, sacrifice a little light to get a more ghostfree image - my numbers is back in the tread - Im sorry cant remember them now )


dj

Sorry i disagree. I have a 5507 with the latest firmware. It works fine for normal 1080p material, it will not however pass 3d material, just throws up a blue screen.

I actually thought he was asking if it would cause the 12 blink issue. Not about 3D.

Thanks guys. I know absolutley nothing about what it takes to watch a 3d BD, but I'm guessing (based on wind shear's experience) that my Onkyo 5507 will not pass through the 3D video to the 95ES ?

How would I watch a 3D BD ? Are there players with two HDMI outputs, so I could pass one to the 5507 for audio and the other directly to the 95ES for 3D video ?

Does Onkyo make a processor more recent, but similar to the 5507 that will in fact pass the 3D video ?

To be honest at this point there isn't even one 3D BD that I am interested in, but just asking for future.

Thanks

I was right!!!

Anyway, do yourself a favor and get either a panny 310 or oppo 93. Thy have dual HDMI outs so you can send one into HDMI 2 on your 95 and the other for sound into your 5507.

Oppo 93 works using 2 HDMI outputs. I used it that way with an Onkyo 807 for a while, before I upgraded to the Onkyo 3009.

The panny is way cheaper and if you hurry you can still get a free copy of avatar 3D with it.

Yes, I should have explicitly said: the JVC on high lamp is too noisy for my room, so I can't use that setting and I therefore didn't list it.


Sadly, for me, I can hit 14 ftL (my target) on my screen material at my throw in low lamp on the JVC, but only with a new bulb. Looking at the lamp measurement thread, it seems that that won't last long.

Your point about perceived contrast and black level is well taken, though. The benefit of the iris in the Sony is that its black levels can be lower for darker scenes, but of course they will be higher in bright scenes.

I want to spend some quality time with a VW95 to see how I like it. Interestingly, I have spent many hours with a C3X 1080, whose contrast and black levels should, on specs, underperform either of the LCOS machines, but it sure throws a beautiful image when professionally calibrated for 14ftL.

Thanks all.

Does the OPPO 93 have any advantage over the panny ?

-13 is no problem on my HP screen.. it's blinding going from a dark scene to a bright one. This RS55 is much brighter than my RS50 so it's great to be able to finally be able to crank the iris all the way down.

I'd still like to see the 95 and the 55 side by side with my predominantly dark movies like the Underworld series.

It has subtitle shift, which is nice for us non english speakers who use a 2.35:1 screen.

And it can play BD ISO's from an external hard drive. But that is a feature which was removed in the latest firmware update. So if you buy one, make sure you don't download the latest firmware if you want to use that.

I hope you do get to spend some quality time with the projectors you are interested in because really that is the only way to make sure you end up with the right one. My screen is actually below 1.0 gain as its a grey material, and I do need to think about updating it at some point. I keep putting it off because its such a pain to get my motorised cannister down off the wall to change the reel.

Hehe, my material is less than 1.0 gain.....I think I would burn holes in my eyes if I had an HP screen. I would also like to see the two of them side-by-side. Careful selections of movies is required for that!

I believe iso playback has only been removed in the beta firmware, not yet in the official release firmware (though it's coming). I could be wrong on that though...

The Oppo also works as a media player like WinTV or the Asus O!Play or similar such devices - plug in a drive with media like .mkv or .m2ts or most any movie or music, and use it as a player. It has network access for youtube, netflix, vudu, and some others.

It's a very powerful machine with lots of bells and whistles. Check out the incredibly long Oppo BD93 thread in the BD Player section of AVS for tons more info.

Im about to upgrade to a PRSC 5509, they also make the 5508 which will pass the 3d no problem, plus they have an identical rear panel layout, so its a direct switch. Then i can use the projector in its simplified glory.

I actually have some free time this weekend so I'm going to check out the VW95 sooner then I had planned.

The X70 is still fresh in my head, so I believe I can make a good comparison between the two. I'm also going to take my friends who came with me to the X70 demo.

Very interested to hear your reflections on these two projectors.