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post #2881 of 3443
3/7/12 at 12:48pm
Does anyone know if these failed installs of Image Director on windows 7 machines were tried on a windows 7 version above home premium?
I ask because the higher versions are supposed to have something called XP mode.
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post #2882 of 3443
3/9/12 at 3:48am
Hi guys. Well I finally received my VW95ES yesterday! I'm in the process of reviewing it in comparison to my JVC HD750 (RS20) so my opinions are just forming. But here's the verdict so far....

I ran the VW95ES for an hour during the day and then last night I spent several hours calibrating both my HD750 and the VW95ES to precisely the same level. I had bought a new Diamond bulb for my HD750 but had waited for delivery of the VW95ES before calibrating it. I hoped that this would put the two machines on an equal footing thus allowing accurate comparison. However, on calibrating the HD750 I have found that I'm only getting 8.5 ftl out of it in low lamp with aperture completely open on my 110" diagonal 1.0 gain matt white screen. That's not good at all and I will be duly asking for a lamp replacement! BTW, my room is pretty much a bat cave with complete light control, black walls and ceiling and half the room is covered by a black rug. In any case I calibrated the Sony to match the JVC. This meant shutting the manual iris down to 20 to get 8.5 ftl. dEs for greyscale and color gamut are below 1 on both machines and both a running gammas of 2.4. The VW95ES I have is excellent for sharpness and can resolve single pixel patterns better than my HD750. Convergence is very good indeed as is uniformity. I can't see that I have any CA. I've used panel alignment a little to adjust red vertically but that's all that has been necessary to get it perfect. On my HD750 panel alignment still leaves red 1/3 pixel out. Nevertheless I regard my HD750 as being sharp. The VW95ES I have is sharper still. I'm very happy about this because the VW95ES I calibrated for a client recently was nowhere near as good as mine is so I was a bit worried what I would get. No need to fear though!

The VW95ES is quieter than my already quiet HD750. Motion appears to be better on the VW95ES too. At the moment I'd say that the HD750 beats the VW95ES in terms of black levels, BUT that margin is so small. There's a gnats hair of a difference. I'm very happy with this because my greatest fear was giving up some of the rich blacks I have enjoyed from my JVC machines over the past few years. That said, in mixed and bright scenes the Sony is appearing to beat the JVC. These scenes, while great, appear a tad flatter on the JVC. This must be a feature of the higher ANSI contrast on the Sony.

I haven't calibrated the 3d mode yet but that will come. With all else regarding 2d picture quality being more or less equal or in the Sony's favour the inclusion of 3d (which is a nice but not essential feature to me) tips the balance further in it's direction. I have more testing to do, but right now I'm thinking that the VW95ES is a keeper. I see that AVS has a close out deal on Xpand 103 glasses but are these any good with the VW95ES? If not I think I'd like to buy a couple of pairs of the MV3D glasses. I take it these come with their own receiver? I understand that you can use the Sony glasses at the same time. Is this right? The MV3D glasses are not available directly in the UK so I'll be importing. Can anyone recommend a US supplier?

I'll be back with more reflections soon.
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post #2883 of 3443
3/9/12 at 4:06am
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Originally Posted by Canary_Jules View Post

Hi guys. Well I finally received my VW95ES yesterday! I'm in the process of reviewing it in comparison to my JVC HD750 (RS20) so my opinions are just forming. But here's the verdict so far....

I ran the VW95ES for an hour during the day and then last night I spent several hours calibrating both my HD750 and the VW95ES to precisely the same level. I had bought a new Diamond bulb for my HD750 but had waited for delivery of the VW95ES before calibrating it. I hoped that this would put the two machines on an equal footing thus allowing accurate comparison. However, on calibrating the HD750 I have found that I'm only getting 8.5 ftl out of it in low lamp with aperture completely open on my 110" diagonal 1.0 gain matt white screen. That's not good at all and I will be duly asking for a lamp replacement! BTW, my room is pretty much a bat cave with complete light control, black walls and ceiling and half the room is covered by a black rug. In any case I calibrated the Sony to match the JVC. This meant shutting the manual iris down to 20 to get 8.5 ftl. dEs for greyscale and color gamut are below 1 on both machines and both a running gammas of 2.4. The VW95ES I have is excellent for sharpness and can resolve single pixel patterns better than my HD750. Convergence is very good indeed as is uniformity. I can't see that I have any CA. I've used panel alignment a little to adjust red vertically but that's all that has been necessary to get it perfect. On my HD750 panel alignment still leaves red 1/3 pixel out. Nevertheless I regard my HD750 as being sharp. The VW95ES I have is sharper still. I'm very happy about this because the VW95ES I calibrated for a client recently was nowhere near as good as mine is so I was a bit worried what I would get. No need to fear though!

The VW95ES is quieter than my already quiet HD750. Motion appears to be better on the VW95ES too. At the moment I'd say that the HD750 beats the VW95ES in terms of black levels, BUT that margin is so small. There's a gnats hair of a difference. I'm very happy with this because my greatest fear was giving up some of the rich blacks I have enjoyed from my JVC machines over the past few years. That said, in mixed and bright scenes the Sony is appearing to beat the JVC. These scenes, while great, appear a tad flatter on the JVC. This must be a feature of the higher ANSI contrast on the Sony.

I haven't calibrated the 3d mode yet but that will come. With all else regarding 2d picture quality being more or less equal or in the Sony's favour the inclusion of 3d (which is a nice but not essential feature to me) tips the balance further in it's direction. I have more testing to do, but right now I'm thinking that the VW95ES is a keeper. I see that AVS has a close out deal on Xpand 103 glasses but are these any good with the VW95ES? If not I think I'd like to buy a couple of pairs of the MV3D glasses. I take it these come with their own receiver? I understand that you can use the Sony glasses at the same time. Is this right? The MV3D glasses are not available directly in the UK so I'll be importing. Can anyone recommend a US supplier?

I'll be back with more reflections soon.

Hi,

I am glad that you like it.Regarding your lamp problem with JVC,i had the exact problem with my replacement lamp on my former HD750.I don't know why,but it seems that the quality of JVC projectors lamps are bad, at least in my case.I think that you can perform a full calibration on your 95ES even if you don't have near at 100 hours,because this lamps are so stable.After i made the gamma calibration with ID3 on my 95ES,i found the picture even better.
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post #2884 of 3443
3/9/12 at 4:15am
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Originally Posted by Canary_Jules View Post

Hi guys. Well I finally received my VW95ES yesterday! I'm in the process of reviewing it in comparison to my JVC HD750 (RS20) so my opinions are just forming. But here's the verdict so far....

I ran the VW95ES for an hour during the day and then last night I spent several hours calibrating both my HD750 and the VW95ES to precisely the same level. I had bought a new Diamond bulb for my HD750 but had waited for delivery of the VW95ES before calibrating it. I hoped that this would put the two machines on an equal footing thus allowing accurate comparison. However, on calibrating the HD750 I have found that I'm only getting 8.5 ftl out of it in low lamp with aperture completely open on my 110" diagonal 1.0 gain matt white screen. That's not good at all and I will be duly asking for a lamp replacement! BTW, my room is pretty much a bat cave with complete light control, black walls and ceiling and half the room is covered by a black rug. In any case I calibrated the Sony to match the JVC. This meant shutting the manual iris down to 20 to get 8.5 ftl. dEs for greyscale and color gamut are below 1 on both machines and both a running gammas of 2.4. The VW95ES I have is excellent for sharpness and can resolve single pixel patterns better than my HD750. Convergence is very good indeed as is uniformity. I can't see that I have any CA. I've used panel alignment a little to adjust red vertically but that's all that has been necessary to get it perfect. On my HD750 panel alignment still leaves red 1/3 pixel out. Nevertheless I regard my HD750 as being sharp. The VW95ES I have is sharper still. I'm very happy about this because the VW95ES I calibrated for a client recently was nowhere near as good as mine is so I was a bit worried what I would get. No need to fear though!

The VW95ES is quieter than my already quiet HD750. Motion appears to be better on the VW95ES too. At the moment I'd say that the HD750 beats the VW95ES in terms of black levels, BUT that margin is so small. There's a gnats hair of a difference. I'm very happy with this because my greatest fear was giving up some of the rich blacks I have enjoyed from my JVC machines over the past few years. That said, in mixed and bright scenes the Sony is appearing to beat the JVC. These scenes, while great, appear a tad flatter on the JVC. This must be a feature of the higher ANSI contrast on the Sony.

I haven't calibrated the 3d mode yet but that will come. With all else regarding 2d picture quality being more or less equal or in the Sony's favour the inclusion of 3d (which is a nice but not essential feature to me) tips the balance further in it's direction. I have more testing to do, but right now I'm thinking that the VW95ES is a keeper. I see that AVS has a close out deal on Xpand 103 glasses but are these any good with the VW95ES? If not I think I'd like to buy a couple of pairs of the MV3D glasses. I take it these come with their own receiver? I understand that you can use the Sony glasses at the same time. Is this right? The MV3D glasses are not available directly in the UK so I'll be importing. Can anyone recommend a US supplier?

I'll be back with more reflections soon.

With what a Gamma will you calibrate the 3d Mode?
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post #2885 of 3443
3/9/12 at 4:16am
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Originally Posted by maximus74 View Post

Hi,

I am glad that you like it.Regarding your lamp problem with JVC,i had the exact problem with my replacement lamp on my former HD750.I don't know why,but it seems that the quality of JVC projectors lamps are bad, at least in my case.I think that you can perform a full calibration on your 95ES even if you don't have near at 100 hours,because this lamps are so stable.After i made the gamma calibration with ID3 on my 95ES,i found the picture even better.

Thanks. Yes, this is a replacement Diamond lamp. I've just spoken to the supplier and am starting the returns process. I'm including the lamp in the prospective sale of my HD750 so it's important.

The 2.4 gamma I have from my initial calibration is pretty good. I've installed the gamma software on my laptop and will be giving it a crack sometime soon. Obviously any calibration performed at near 0 hours isn't going to remain accurate for very long, but as you say the lamp in the VW95ES is reputedly very stable. It helps though being a pro calibrator as I can just calibrate my projector whenever I want with no additional costs. Any thoughts on the Xpand X103s glasses? The AVS closeout deal is very tempting. I presume they ship to the UK?
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post #2886 of 3443
3/9/12 at 4:29am
Hi,

Many owners had stated that the MV or Optoma are a lot better than Xpand glasses.I have the original Sony glasses.I didn't put so much attention on 3D performance until now.
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post #2887 of 3443
3/9/12 at 4:34am
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With what a Gamma will you calibrate the 3d Mode?

I think I'm going to try different gammas to see which will work best in my surroundings. Obviously brightness is key to achieving good 3d so sacrificing a little on the black levels to achieve a lower gamma may be best.
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post #2888 of 3443
3/9/12 at 4:34am
Canary,did you use auto iris?
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post #2889 of 3443
3/9/12 at 4:39am
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Originally Posted by maximus74 View Post

Canary,did you use auto iris?

Not initially. I've had to use the fixed iris to adjust for the comparative light output of the two projectors. I did then switch the auto iris on to see how well it worked as I have an aversion to auto irises. I'm pleased to say that the auto iris appears to be excellent. It really does open up the brighter scenes and give them a pop. The best part about it is that it's practically invisible in operation.
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post #2890 of 3443
3/9/12 at 4:59am
If is so well implemented,i think is a big plus for 95ES.
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post #2891 of 3443
3/9/12 at 5:18am
Hi guys,

I own a JVC HD950 (RS25) atm. and thinking of upgrading to a 3D projector because I really like 3D. The JVC RS45 (or 55) are a no-go because of the bad 3D performance (flicker+ghosting) that appaered to have.

The thing I m absolutely looking for in my new projector is better motion handling that my JVC.

But the most important thing is black level. I m in a total light controlled bat cave and I love the blacks of my HD950(RS25). I m thinking about the VW95 but also the HW30 might be an option. On what part exactly is the VW95 far better then the HW30 and how the difference in black level between:

HW30 - RS25
VW95 - RS25
VW95 - HW30

thanks!
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post #2892 of 3443
3/9/12 at 5:35am
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

Hi guys,

I own a JVC HD950 (RS25) atm. and thinking of upgrading to a 3D projector because I really like 3D. The JVC RS45 (or 55) are a no-go because of the bad 3D performance (flicker+ghosting) that appaered to have.

The thing I m absolutely looking for in my new projector is better motion handling that my JVC.

But the most important thing is black level. I m in a total light controlled bat cave and I love the blacks of my HD950(RS25). I m thinking about the VW95 but also the HW30 might be an option. On what part exactly is the VW95 far better then the HW30 and how the difference in black level between:

HW30 - RS25
VW95 - RS25
VW95 - HW30

thanks!

Hi,
My friend has HD950.
My previous projector was HD750.It is very difficult to judge because of our rooms, screens....etc,but these two projector were comparable,maybe with a little plus for HD950.
Between 95ES and HD750,i found about the same with a plus for Sony in brighter scenes.
Without a comparison side by side is difficult to say.
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post #2893 of 3443
3/9/12 at 5:38am
Hi,
I think you can read lovingdvd impressions as he compared 95ES and HD750 side by side.You may find his review very useful.
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post #2894 of 3443
3/9/12 at 6:17am
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

Hi guys,

I own a JVC HD950 (RS25) atm. and thinking of upgrading to a 3D projector because I really like 3D. The JVC RS45 (or 55) are a no-go because of the bad 3D performance (flicker+ghosting) that appaered to have.

The thing I m absolutely looking for in my new projector is better motion handling that my JVC.

But the most important thing is black level. I m in a total light controlled bat cave and I love the blacks of my HD950(RS25). I m thinking about the VW95 but also the HW30 might be an option. On what part exactly is the VW95 far better then the HW30 and how the difference in black level between:

HW30 - RS25
VW95 - RS25
VW95 - HW30

thanks!

If JVC black levels are important to you (as they are to me) then the VW95 is really your only option. The HW30 is a great projector - I've professionally calibrated one - but the black levels on the VW95 are better. The black levels on the VW95 are very, very good. In fact, my HD750 only just beats it by a gnats hair and I don't think the HD950 was that much of an advance (if any) over the HD750 in this respect. Like you I have a bat cave. Motion handling is simply better on the VW95ES.
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post #2895 of 3443
3/9/12 at 8:29pm
For those that didn't notice, http://www.audiovideohd.fr measures black levels in their reviews:

JVC DLA X7, THX mode, high lamp, iris open: 0.09 lux
JVC DLA X7, user mode 2, calibrated, low lamp, iris closed: 0.02 lux
JVC DLA X30, calibrated, high lamp: 0.04 lux
JVC DLA X30, calibrated, low lamp: 0.01 lux
JVC DLA X70R, calibrated, high lamp, iris open: 0.01 lux
JVC DLA X70R, calibrated, low lamp, iris open: out of detection range
Sony VPL-VW90ES, calibrated, no iris: 0.02 lux
Sony VPL-HW30ES, calibrated, high lamp: 0.08 lux
Sony VPL-HW30ES, calibrated, low lamp: 0.04 lux
Sony VPL-HW30ES, calibrated, low lamp, dynamic iris: 0.01 lux
Sony VW95ES, calibrated, high lamp: 0.02 lux
Sony VW95ES, calibrated, low lamp: 0.01 lux

So the X70's black levels are technically "half" those of the Sony, but in practice, it's splitting hairs :-)
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post #2896 of 3443
3/10/12 at 9:01pm
I don't put a lot into that as the lux measurements would need much more fine resolution than just two decimal places.
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post #2897 of 3443
3/11/12 at 9:50am
audiovideohd.fr also measured the 95ES's on/off contrast to be 28,000:1 when the rest of the world showed it to be closer to 80,000:1 (or higher), which tells me something about either their test, the setup, or the unit they were testing.
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post #2898 of 3443
3/11/12 at 12:44pm
Home Theater magazine measured full on-off for the 95 at 21,000:1, while their latest magazine shows the JVC X70 at under 11,000:1, at least with the iris wide open. Also, the JVC as usual has no setting with even close to accurate colors out of the box. I don't understand why JVC wants to force calibrations on customers and cannot come up with at least one accurate preset.
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post #2899 of 3443
3/11/12 at 1:39pm
For around $500 one can buy a calibrating program and a decent meter and quickly learn to do your own calibrations. hat is really the way to go and you will quickly recoup expenses over the cost of hiring a professional calibrator. A calibration only lasts for a limited time and most like to recalibrate say around every 400 hours, more frequently when the bulb is new. For a little more, automatic calibration programs are available though only for certain projectors or with external processors such as the DVDO Duo or the Lumagen's.
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post #2900 of 3443
3/11/12 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

For around $500 one can buy a calibrating program and a decent meter and quickly learn to do your own calibrations. hat is really the way to go and you will quickly recoup expenses over the cost of hiring a professional calibrator. A calibration only lasts for a limited time and most like to recalibrate say around every 400 hours, more frequently when the bulb is new. For a little more, automatic calibration programs are available though only for certain projectors or with external processors such as the DVDO Duo or the Lumagen's.

The autocal feature of ChromaPure (with the RadianceMini for me) is so quick (~10 min), simple, and accurate that it almost takes the fun out of calibration. But this is 'fun' that I'm not unhappy to forgo.
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post #2901 of 3443
3/11/12 at 8:01pm
I finally made my decision to upgrade from my HS10 to the 95ES based on comments made on this Thread. My HS10 required me to mount the projector about 8 inches above the top of my screen (line of site). However the 95ES by default requires the projector to be at the same level as the top of screen.

Does anyone know if there is any other adjustments in the service menu to change the screen projection height? I don't want to tilt the projector (not enough range for keystone setting), prefer it to be level.

BTW Image Quality is fantastic, watched Cloud with Chance of Meatballs in 3D and am impressed with 3D, no ghosting, but did find it to be just at the acceptable level for screen brightness (and I have 100% light controlled theater.
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post #2902 of 3443
3/11/12 at 9:14pm
The lens shift on the Sony allows the lens center to be as much as 15% of the screen vertical dimension above the top of your screen, the lens shift is the same as on the hS10 I believe. It is a motorized function addressable by the remote and is not in the service menu. Do not use keystone correction under any circumstances and keep the lens parallel to the screen. Please give us a call if you would like to discuss this or any other aspect of this very fine projector.
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post #2903 of 3443
3/12/12 at 6:55am
Quick question. I need another two pairs of 3d glasses in addition to the bundled Sony ones. If I buy some Xpand 104 glasses can I use them alongside the Sonys? Do the 104s need an emitter with the VW95ES or can you just switch them on and they work with the projector's emitter?
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post #2904 of 3443
3/12/12 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by Canary_Jules View Post

Quick question. I need another two pairs of 3d glasses in addition to the bundled Sony ones. If I buy some Xpand 104 glasses can I use them alongside the Sonys? Do the 104s need an emitter with the VW95ES or can you just switch them on and they work with the projector's emitter?

Yes you can, they work perfect with the Sony emitter.
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post #2905 of 3443
3/12/12 at 7:03am
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Yes you can, they work perfect with the Sony emitter.

Thanks!
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post #2906 of 3443
3/12/12 at 8:07am
A friend got a used Sony Pearl VW50 so I am going to calibrate it for him using ImageDirector. This got me motivated to try it first on my VW95 (I'm only looking at it as a learning experience because I have the Lumagen where I do the actual calibration "for real").

Some questions please:

1) I heard this doesn't work under Windows 7 x64. I tried it and was greeted with a message from the app saying its not supported on the OS and quits. I was not expecting it to work, but figured it was a communication problem and that it would try to work but not connect or something.

I didn't realize when people said it wouldn't work it was because the app seems to be coded to not work for unknown OSes. This makes me wonder if there is a way to trick the app into thinking it is running on a different OS, without using emulation, in which case I suppose it may work fine...

2) I was able to get the app to load just fine under Vista 32 bit. I am a bit confused about the communication options in the ID3 menu. One option says RS-232. Another says USB and you can pick the COM port. In my case I have a USB->RS-232 adapter. So I am technically using both. Anyway I was not sure what options I am supposed to select under the menu for this (i.e. RS-232, or USB). I see in Fat Dave's post where he clarifies this so I'll give his instructions a try.

3) The software and readme warns that you should not "operate the projector" while using the software or you may corrupt the gamma tables. Isn't the whole point to display patterns and measures and adjust the curves in real-time. Seems odd they would give such a warning if the software is designed to be used interactively with the pj...

4) Is it mandatory to select one of the gamma options in the VW95 PJ menu (not ID3) to get things going? I recall something about how ID3 only works with certain gamma curves and was wondering if its necessary to select certain options in the pj menu in order for ID3 to connect and work properly.

5) Anyone care to guess whether the ID3 software will work on my friend's VW50?

Thanks!
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post #2907 of 3443
3/12/12 at 8:20am
You can pick the gamma curve with the software. I think you can only use 1 - 5. TIP: if you have, for whatever reason, turned on the x.v. color, you will not have access to any of the gamma correction options. I don't know why, but I had this turned on and I could not for the life of me figure out why I didn't have the option to select a gamma.

It's good to know you got it to work with win7 / 32.

As much as you like to tweak these projectors, I'm betting you are going to like ID3.
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post #2908 of 3443
3/12/12 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by A.West View Post

Home Theater magazine measured full on-off for the 95 at 21,000:1, while their latest magazine shows the JVC X70 at under 11,000:1, at least with the iris wide open. Also, the JVC as usual has no setting with even close to accurate colors out of the box. I don't understand why JVC wants to force calibrations on customers and cannot come up with at least one accurate preset.

Take the published CR from the X70 review with a grain of salt. Ended up being some issues with the setup on that unit. I redid the cal and measured it and the lowest CR I measured (high lamp/iris fully open) was close to 40K:1. I could get about 80,000:1 in low lamp iris fully closed, and these were at about mid-throw. We are looking at our data now and will probably address it in a follow up.
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post #2909 of 3443
3/12/12 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by mdrew View Post

You can pick the gamma curve with the software. I think you can only use 1 - 5. TIP: if you have, for whatever reason, turned on the x.v. color, you will not have access to any of the gamma correction options. I don't know why, but I had this turned on and I could not for the life of me figure out why I didn't have the option to select a gamma.

It's good to know you got it to work with win7 / 32.

As much as you like to tweak these projectors, I'm betting you are going to like ID3.

Thanks. Regarding Win 7 / 32, if you are referring to me than just to clarify - I did not get it working under Windows 7. Only under Vista 32.
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post #2910 of 3443
3/12/12 at 2:03pm
Kris - thanks for updating, those #'s are more in line with Cine4home's data on the X70.
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