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post #301 of 3559
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

I upgrade from the RS20 to the RS40 and the 40 is definitely louder in high lamp mode. If it is close to your head you will hear it for sure.

OK, tx; I wasn't aware of this.
post #302 of 3559
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Originally Posted by RickAVManiac View Post

I am very sensitive to that. When I was doing my testing on the 95, the projector was temporarily at one foot from my head. I never ear the dynamic iris. No even a faith. It is dead silent.

Thanks, Rick! That is very good to hear.

Any additional confirmations from other carful listeners / units?
post #303 of 3559
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

...I would take Ekkehart's results to the bank...

Yes, although keep in mind that the JVC he was testing was a prototype or early preproduction model - especially considering how long ago it was he reviewed that and that there's still a good 1.5+ months (likely) still before they hit the street.

And speaking of which - where is our good friend Ekkehart these days? Boy I could sure use his measurements and impressions on the VW95. Very positive impressions from him along with good measurements are about the only thing separating me from the Buy Now button at this point!
post #304 of 3559
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post


Yes, although keep in mind that the JVC he was testing was a prototype or early preproduction model - especially considering how long ago it was he reviewed that and that there's still a good 1.5+ months (likely) still before they hit the street.

And speaking of which - where is our good friend Ekkehart these days? Boy I could sure use his measurements and impressions on the VW95. Very positive impressions from him along with good measurements are about the only thing separating me from the Buy Now button at this point!

Same here... I need to know from the same source how close or far they really are apart form each other.
post #305 of 3559
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Same here... I need to know from the same source how close or far they really are apart form each other.

Yes - although in my case I'm not really concerned at all about the JVC lumens. Rather, I'm looking for his assessment of the VW95 and its measurements. In particular we still have not had any solid measurements for ANSI CR, ON/OFF CR both native and with DI, and I'd really like his measured lumens at both shortest and longest throw, and his confirmation that there is not even the slightest hint of bright corners.
post #306 of 3559
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

I am not a JVC defender, but let's be rational! I have a JVC RS20 in high lamp, within 3-4 ft of my head, and never notice it. There are plenty of things to discuss, sensibly; no need to go outside the bounds of reason.

If you didn't notice the projector, exactly what do you think was lighting up your screen?

And if we can not discuss things outside the boundaries of reason, most threads would be at least be one half their lengths and if people stopped asking the same questions or questions over and over, threads would be another one half shorter.

Then if you eliminasted my scarcastic babble, we could save another quarter.

Meanwhile we are shipping these out as quickly as thet come in. The motherload is now all sold and shipped. We placed another large order yesterday and based on todays and tonights sales, we will have to increase that order by double. Next week we should start to lots of owner reports from those we shipped this week.
post #307 of 3559
Glad I can be patient, Mark! BTW, any word on when you're going to get your hands on a Sony1000ES to tell us about?
post #308 of 3559
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

And if we can not discuss things outside the boundaries of reason, most threads would be at least be one half their lengths and if people stopped asking the same questions or questions over and over, threads would be another one half shorter.

Then if you eliminasted my scarcastic babble, we could save another quarter.

I am extremely guilty of babbling, I am so OCD at times in this forum. I'm trying to cut back


@Others
This projector does sound awesome, but us JVC RS-45 pre-order special folk are practically ghetto compared to the price class of the Sony vw95es. Sorry I keep making that comparison, but if anyone wants us JVC folk to move out of the ghetto, I'll first need to go find a vw95es somewhere and see what my eyes tell me if I want to pay this much for this Sony. I haven't seen the JVC yet, so I have a while before I can even think about doing a trade up, which is something I may consider later on. I definitely need to find a way to go see the Sony since I am a fan of DLP POP generally and it sounds like many people think the Sony has more pop for HD type general viewing (non-movies).
post #309 of 3559
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Yes Thrang I can tell you 100% they are fully interchangable. I've had both the Optoma and the MonsterVision vision glasses and have operated them at the same time with no problem. The Optoma glasses will work with the Monster emitter. I even watched the Monster emitter transmit the firmware to the glasses (as they do upon first use) successfully. As far as I can tell it is just an OEM labeling and the glasses and physically and functionally the same. Let me know if you have any q's. BTW I *HIGHLY* recommend these glasses.

Thanks for this usefull information Could you let us know if the Optoma RF emitter can let you adjusting the timings of the glasses (through the small joystick or on the PC as MV dongle does) ?
John
post #310 of 3559
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Since I was unable to put together my final comparative thoughts on the RS50 vs the Panny 7000, maybe I can stitch together some frankensteinian enthusiasts' comparison of all three, infused with the cold blood of the long-since lifeless (for me) VW85 and VW90 for good measure.

Gee, to think I missed Halloween by just a few days with this sophomoric statement....


Or I can just sit still and watch something for a change...

I'm looking forward to hear what you think!
post #311 of 3559
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Originally Posted by jtden View Post

I have a question for new 95 owners, and those with 90s: Can any noise AT ALL be heard from the dynamic iris working? If you are right next to it and trying to hear something when it is working hard? Opinions from those with excellent hearing would be much appreciated!

I am very close to jumping ship from JVC after a pink stripe issue, and my main concerns now are brightness and the DI.


My hearing is not excellent , but I cant hear the dynamic iris working in the 95Es and I could´nt in my "old" 90ES neather

dj
post #312 of 3559
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Originally Posted by stef2 View Post

I haven't seen any clear comment on the new lens memory option for the VW95ES. My screen is a 2.35:1 CH setup. Could someone describe how well this feature works? Does it take time to switch from one setting to the other? can the PJ automatically detect the correct ratio? what happens to the image during the zooming?

it do take a little time ( 4-8 sec ) for it to adjust, but it is very fun and working good.

No



It moves around ( up/down, left/right zoom in/out and focus ) fun to watch IMO


dj
post #313 of 3559
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

This projector does sound awesome, but us JVC RS-45 pre-order special folk are practically ghetto compared to the price class of the Sony vw95es.

I just had a look on some UK websites and over here the X30 (RS40) MRSP is around £3k and the VW95ES is £5k, so doesn't seem such a huge difference between them for us. In fact it's practically the same difference as was between my HD350 and the HD750 when I first demoed them. At the time I couldn't justify the extra as in my room (where I had the demo) the difference wasn't big enough for me, but priced close enough that I might have pushed the boat out if I'd really liked the HD750. Are you talking more like double the difference in the USA then? [I did hear on the grapevine that you guys are really lucky at what your preorder price is for the '45, so much so I would have probably bought one blind myself if they were offering the same deal over here ].
post #314 of 3559
Well over 2x the preorder price Kevin from the quotes I got.
post #315 of 3559
The VW95 MSRP $7000 is twice as expensive as RS45 (MSRP $3500).
It seems the VW95 is more expensive in US than Canada as well ?
post #316 of 3559
Just tested the 3D yesterday on the 95Es, so here are my opions regarding the 95Es versus 90ES versus 30ES:

The 95 is about the same light output as the 90ES in 2D ( hard pressed, I would say the 90 win )

The 95 has a good jump up i light output versus the 90 in 3D ( estimate 30-50% up - not 3x )

the light output of the 30 in 3D is a little higher then the 95, but not much.

the black level ( and the sharpness and focus )
for the 95 contra the 90 is about the same and both much better then the 30

the build in emitter in 90/95 is VERY strong and good ( bounce off my screen and back - about 8 m and never a lost sync for now ) and about the same for both.

The ghosting in the 95 and the 30 is about the same ( very little, but is still there in small amounts sometimes - best mode "3" ) and they both is very much better then the 90. ( with the Sony glasses )

the lens memory in 95 is wonderfull

90/95 is very silent, even in high mode, and better then the 30, but it is still very quiet too ( in low lamp mode like the 90/95 in high ).

All is of cause only my personally opion


dj
post #317 of 3559
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Originally Posted by SED <--- Rules View Post

Based on Coderguy's projector calculator you will get ~13 foot lamberts on low lamp and ~20 foot lamberts on high lamp. I think you'll be fine. Remember that the Sony is quiet even on high lamp unlike the JVCs.

According to the projector calculator I would only be getting 8FL for 3D after 500 hours on the bulb which I could accept. However using the calculator a new issue arises. My throw is to large for the VW95 (128" 16:9, 160" 2.35 with lens) - The farthest I can go is 19'7" where the PJ will have to be about 21' back from the screen in the new setup. I will not move it forward as it will throw the ascetics off in my room and would be on top of the 2nd row of seats 1" in back.

I guess my choices are now limited back to the RS55
post #318 of 3559
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Originally Posted by d3coy3d View Post

According to the projector calculator I would only be getting 8FL for 3D after 500 hours on the bulb which I could accept. However using the calculator a new issue arises. My throw is to large for the VW95 (128" 16:9, 160" 2.35 with lens) - The farthest I can go is 19'7" where the PJ will have to be about 21' back from the screen in the new setup. I will not move it forward as it will throw the ascetics off in my room and would be on top of the 2nd row of seats 1" in back.

I guess my choices are now limited back to the RS55

Yeah the throw distances are one big sticking point. For me, it's not a problem since I am going near the closest throw. But for those with longer throws, AND wanting to use lens memory, the 2x zoom on the JVC will give a lot more flexibility than the 1.6x zoom of the 95.

The dimming on any projectors bulbs is almost impossible to calculate. How fast or how much. It will happen over time, but to what extent and how quickly, it's hard to say. At least Sony's bulbs are a lot cheaper than the competition! I decided on the 95 and couldn't be happier. I'm trying not to click on the tracking number too often. It does everything I need it to, does it WELL, and is out right now. Plus, I just built my theater and don't have any projector since we included the old one with the house when we moved. So I can't really wait for a JVC. There will always be another projector that does -something- better. But right now the Sony is hard to beat. It's only that the price is high for some.
post #319 of 3559
Decoy. I assume when you say with lens for the 2.35 screen, you are using a n anarphic horizontal strech lens. Throws are calculated using the the 1.78 screen size which fits within your 2.35 screen. You state that is 128 inches. The Sony throw range is 1.4 to 2.14 going from memory here. That gives you a maximum long throw set up from primary lens to screen of just a smidge under 23 feet and a shortest throw of jus about 15 ft. Anamorphics work best at the long throw end. so it seems to me the Sony would work fine at 21 feet. Remember throw distances are measured usimg the 1.78 screen width and are measured from the projector lens to the screen measuring horizontally. If I am missing something, somenbody let me know and if anyone wants to discuss, please give me a call.


BTW. If you are not using an anamorphic lens, I think there is enopugh zoom to still fit your set up but I need to know the distance from the screen to the lens for sure. The cosest the screen can be at the wide angle end of the lens would be about 18 2/3 feet. You need a zoom ratio of 1.33 to zoom down to 128.. The Sony has a zoom ratio of 1.5 so the machine could be placed further away to fill both screen sizes. Here the limit becomes setting the lond zoom tp fill the 128 and having enough to zoom in (widen the picture) to fill the 160. The longest throw for the 128 1s just under 23 ft. Whereever the lens of the projecter will be placed is what I need to know before going on.
post #320 of 3559
Here an second update of my VW95 and light output:

Measurement was taken with an LUX meter in the middle of the screen. My screen is 2m wide and the throw distance is around 4m! I calibrated the VW95 to D65! I had to use the "custom2" color temp. I still not understand what is the concept between the "custom" color temp, because they are all different and I could only achieve D65 with "custom2". It was measured with i1Pro!

I only lowered green and blue of the top values, not the bottom ones in "custom2" color temp.

High Mode: 380 lux * 2.25 = 855 lumen!!!
Low Mode: 250 lux * 2.25 = 563 lumen!!

Now for reference under the same settings my old JVC X3:

High Mode: 340 lux * 2.25 = 765
Low Mode: 200 lux * 2.25 = 450

After 200h the values was like this:

High Mode: 200 lux * 2.25 = 450 lumen
Low Mode: 120 lux * 2.25 = 270 lumen


The VW95 in high mode is to bright for me, therefore I only use the low lamp mode for 2D.

One big advantage over my past JVC projectors (X3, RS20, RS2, RS1) is that you can switch between low/high lamp mode and retain the D65 color temp!!!

Hope this helps in terms the light output of the VW95...
post #321 of 3559
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Originally Posted by JohnHWman View Post

Thanks for this usefull information Could you let us know if the Optoma RF emitter can let you adjusting the timings of the glasses (through the small joystick or on the PC as MV dongle does) ?
John

Sure thing. The answer is Yes. It works identically. As far as I can tell, they are identical products with different labels. I suppose one could be newer of have newer internal components or subtle differences, but I haven't spotted any. To me it looks like they are identical physically (frames and lenses, switches, usb port - everything) except one has a Monster label and the other has an Optoma label, and they appear to be identical in operation as well. As I mentioned I even had the Monster transmitter send firmware to the Optoma glasses.
post #322 of 3559
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Originally Posted by Shepardos View Post

Here an second update of my VW95 and light output:

Measurement was taken with an LUX meter in the middle of the screen. My screen is 2m wide and the throw distance is around 4m! I calibrated the VW95 to D65! I had to use the "custom2" color temp. I still not understand what is the concept between the "custom" color temp, because they are all different and I could only achieve D65 with "custom2". It was measured with i1Pro!

I only lowered green and blue of the top values, not the bottom ones in "custom2" color temp.

High Mode: 380 lux * 2.25 = 855 lumen!!!
Low Mode: 250 lux * 2.25 = 563 lumen!!

Now for reference under the same settings my old JVC X3:

High Mode: 340 lux * 2.25 = 765
Low Mode: 200 lux * 2.25 = 450

After 200h the values was like this:

High Mode: 200 lux * 2.25 = 450 lumen
Low Mode: 120 lux * 2.25 = 270 lumen


The VW95 in high mode is to bright for me, therefore I only use the low lamp mode for 2D.

One big advantage over my past JVC projectors (X3, RS20, RS2, RS1) is that you can switch between low/high lamp mode and retain the D65 color temp!!!

Hope this helps in terms the light output of the VW95...


Very helpful.
post #323 of 3559
thanks Lovingdvd !
That's great since Optoma 3D kit is often cheaper and easier to buy in Europe than MonsterVision ...
Best
John
post #324 of 3559
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Originally Posted by damelon View Post

But for those with longer throws, AND wanting to use lens memory, the 2x zoom on the JVC will give a lot more flexibility than the 1.6x zoom of the 95.

True. If the Sony had a 2x zoom lens, I would probably splurge for it since it sounds pretty much perfect for me and my goals otherwise. The 1.6x lens is not practical for my setup though, so back to the JVC.
post #325 of 3559
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

Decoy. I assume when you say with lens for the 2.35 screen, you are using a n anarphic horizontal strech lens. Throws are calculated using the the 1.78 screen size which fits within your 2.35 screen. You state that is 128 inches. The Sony throw range is 1.4 to 2.14 going from memory here. That gives you a maximum long throw set up from primary lens to screen of just a smidge under 23 feet and a shortest throw of jus about 15 ft. Anamorphics work best at the long throw end. so it seems to me the Sony would work fine at 21 feet. Remember throw distances are measured usimg the 1.78 screen width and are measured from the projector lens to the screen measuring horizontally. If I am missing something, somenbody let me know and if anyone wants to discuss, please give me a call.


BTW. If you are not using an anamorphic lens, I think there is enopugh zoom to still fit your set up but I need to know the distance from the screen to the lens for sure. The cosest the screen can be at the wide angle end of the lens would be about 18 2/3 feet. You need a zoom ratio of 1.33 to zoom down to 128.. The Sony has a zoom ratio of 1.5 so the machine could be placed further away to fill both screen sizes. Here the limit becomes setting the lond zoom tp fill the 128 and having enough to zoom in (widen the picture) to fill the 160. The longest throw for the 128 1s just under 23 ft. Whereever the lens of the projecter will be placed is what I need to know before going on.

Yes I will be using an anamorphic lens but I believe the zoom is only 1.6 not 2.14 which gives me 19'7. The distance between the front of the screen and back of the PJ is 21'10". Assuming the depth is about 18inches for the PJ itself that leaves me to 20'4" from the front of the lens to the front of the screen which is a tad to short.

Edit: Messing with the calculator if I can go to 132" 1.78 instead of 128" then 20'4" is the longest throw possible. This would mean I lose about an inch above and below the screen which I could be ok with....hmmmmmm someone push me in the right direction please :-D.
post #326 of 3559
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Originally Posted by d.j. View Post

My hearing is not excellent , but I cant hear the dynamic iris working in the 95Es and I could´nt in my "old" 90ES neather

dj

Thanks, DJ! Now if I can just figure out if the 95 will be bright enough, or how bad it would be long-term to run the lamp in high mode all the time...
post #327 of 3559
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Originally Posted by Shepardos View Post

Here an second update of my VW95 and light output:

Measurement was taken with an LUX meter in the middle of the screen. My screen is 2m wide and the throw distance is around 4m! I calibrated the VW95 to D65! ...

High Mode: 380 lux * 2.25 = 855 lumen!!!
Low Mode: 250 lux * 2.25 = 563 lumen!!
...
Hope this helps in terms the light output of the VW95...

Shepardos - thank you so much for posting this! This looks VERY encouraging. However, given that it is the highest lumen numbers we have seen posted yet, I have some questions to further clarify things:

1) Converting your numbers to inches, you have a 79 inch wide x 45 inch high screen (91 inch diagonal). Yes?

2) By my calculation, at a throw of 13 feet you are near the far range of the throw distance - about 80% back (with 100% back being the furthest throw distance). Yes?

3) You took these measurements with your projector calibrated to D65 and displayed a 100% full field pattern (or did you display a window, which could make a difference)? And you are 100% certain that at 100% you are calibrated to D65 within a dE of 3 or less, yes?

4) You stood at the screen, with your light meter placed up against the screen and pointed into the lens and measured 250 lux, yes? What light meter did you use? Is it a handheld light meter designed for this purpose or a meter used to do calibration?

5) In your calculation you multiplied the lux by 2.25. I assume this is the pre-calculated constant you have for converting lux to lumens and is accurate according to my calculations. I just want to point out to others that this is a function of his screen size and that others cannot use this multiplier unless they have the same screen size.

6) What type of screen and gain are you getting (just curious)?

OK so by my calculation I also get your lumens at 573. This is terrific!

However I wonder why it is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than what others have reported here. It is beyond reasonable bulb tolerances and also beyond typical measurement error or meter differences.

As an example, Kraine got about 100 less lumens than you and he was also very near the shortest throw which should be about 20% brighter than the throw you are at.

I am curious what you and others make of this difference.

In my case my throw is a little longer than yours. To be conservative I took off another 10% from your lumens to account for this difference throw. Even after this I would be getting 20ftL and would be DELIGHTED with that. Comparatively I would be at 14-15ftL if I go by Kraine's numbers, also adjusted for my throw. Certainly I'd prefer 20!

Bottom line is that we need more lumen reports so we can start to paint a picture and get some nice averages at both shortest and longest throw. Hopefully those folks getting their pj today and over the coming days will chime in!
post #328 of 3559
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Originally Posted by d3coy3d View Post

Yes I will be using an anamorphic lens but I believe the zoom is only 1.6 not 2.14 which gives me 19'7. The distance between the front of the screen and back of the PJ is 21'10". Assuming the depth is about 18inches for the PJ itself that leaves me to 20'4" from the front of the lens to the front of the screen which is a tad to short.

He didn't say the zoom was 2.14, he said that the throw range is 1.4 - 2.14 (Going from memory).
post #329 of 3559
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Shepardos - thank you so much for posting this! This looks VERY encouraging. However, given that it is the highest lumen numbers we have seen posted yet, I have some questions to further clarify things:

1) Converting your numbers to inches, you have a 79 inch wide x 45 inch high screen (91 inch diagonal). Yes?

2) By my calculation, at a throw of 13 feet you are near the far range of the throw distance - about 80% back (with 100% back being the furthest throw distance). Yes?

3) You took these measurements with your projector calibrated to D65 and displayed a 100% full field pattern (or did you display a window, which could make a difference)? And you are 100% certain that at 100% you are calibrated to D65 within a dE of 3 or less, yes?

4) You stood at the screen, with your light meter placed up against the screen and pointed into the lens and measured 250 lux, yes? What light meter did you use? Is it a handheld light meter designed for this purpose or a meter used to do calibration?

5) In your calculation you multiplied the lux by 2.25. I assume this is the pre-calculated constant you have for converting lux to lumens and is accurate according to my calculations. I just want to point out to others that this is a function of his screen size and that others cannot use this multiplier unless they have the same screen size.

6) What type of screen and gain are you getting (just curious)?

OK so by my calculation I also get your lumens at 573. This is terrific!

However I wonder why it is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than what others have reported here. It is beyond reasonable bulb tolerances and also beyond typical measurement error or meter differences.

As an example, Kraine got about 100 less lumens than you and he was also very near the shortest throw which should be about 20% brighter than the throw you are at.

I am curious what you and others make of this difference.

In my case my throw is a little longer than yours. To be conservative I took off another 10% from your lumens to account for this difference throw. Even after this I would be getting 20ftL and would be DELIGHTED with that. Comparatively I would be at 14-15ftL if I go by Kraine's numbers, also adjusted for my throw. Certainly I'd prefer 20!

Bottom line is that we need more lumen reports so we can start to paint a picture and get some nice averages at both shortest and longest throw. Hopefully those folks getting their pj today and over the coming days will chime in!

I have a Firehawk 1.3 Screen. All you're assumptions are right. I use a normal LUX hand meter. I'm pretty sure that the VW95 is at D65 calibrated.

Maybe it makes the difference because I used "custom2" for the color temp not Low1 which is around 6.100k

I also increased from 50 - 53 the brightness and calibrate to 2.35 Gamma. Every single step in brightness affects the color temp, with 53 I was able to get the D65 with red/blue/green to 100%.

If I recheck brightness and contrast on the AVS Rec709 disk, than I see 17 flashing, but nothing below...
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